Jimquisition: Solving the Sexism Situation
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Indeed. And to think that this "episode" was posted the same week as The Escapist was announced as the Webby winner for not only the top Gaming related site but the user choice for Best Lifestyle site. Assuming you do consider The Escapist as representing a lifestyle, I'd say that it's pretty likely many don't feel Sterling and his views have any place either in their lifestyle or in representing what their lifestyle is all about.loodmoney said:
We all get the humour of things even if we don't personally find them funny. We all realize that if you don't like something you can simply opt not to watch it. Heck, I made it through about a minute of GameDogs and never touched it again. In Sterling's case, however, I think it's quite fair to say that things go beyond simple matters of taste or preference.
Better?...
...possibly
Still say he needs an unscripted format and needs to stop talking down to the viewers. I know that's the act an all but it doesn't work on a magazine known for a more intelligent than usual user base. And the production values are still incredibly lacking compared to all the other shows
...possibly
Still say he needs an unscripted format and needs to stop talking down to the viewers. I know that's the act an all but it doesn't work on a magazine known for a more intelligent than usual user base. And the production values are still incredibly lacking compared to all the other shows
Oh oh oh Jim. I couldn't love you any more even if I was carrying your baby in my non-existent womb!
The Escapist is supposed to be much better than this in terms of (in no particular order):
1.) Quality
2.) Content
3.) Contributors
Jim's points have been made better by other contributors on this site. His blatant misogyny, his lack of ability as a speaker, his poor research, his awful demeanor, his lack of originality and his immaturity all betray the fact that he is speaking to the lowest common denominator of the gaming community.
This site just won a lifestyle award. This award was a prize given for the excellent and healthy community of people on this site. If it's considered 'elitist' or 'stuck up' to demand that the site represent the qualities it was awarded for, then so be it. It's elitist. It's the demand for superior quality since that is what the site is supposed to be.
I do not and will not support Jim on this site and I sincerely Editor-in-Chief Russ Pitt's is taking careful note of the reaction of the community. For the record I am not attacking this site and am actually a great fan of it, its contributors, its content and its community. However, this is so out of character for the site, there's no way it won't concern me.
1.) Quality
2.) Content
3.) Contributors
Jim's points have been made better by other contributors on this site. His blatant misogyny, his lack of ability as a speaker, his poor research, his awful demeanor, his lack of originality and his immaturity all betray the fact that he is speaking to the lowest common denominator of the gaming community.
This site just won a lifestyle award. This award was a prize given for the excellent and healthy community of people on this site. If it's considered 'elitist' or 'stuck up' to demand that the site represent the qualities it was awarded for, then so be it. It's elitist. It's the demand for superior quality since that is what the site is supposed to be.
I do not and will not support Jim on this site and I sincerely Editor-in-Chief Russ Pitt's is taking careful note of the reaction of the community. For the record I am not attacking this site and am actually a great fan of it, its contributors, its content and its community. However, this is so out of character for the site, there's no way it won't concern me.
Scarily, I agree. Sure, dead of alive is fun because you can shout "BOOBS!" everytime you get a KO without it being crude, since the makers went mammary mad, but there is kinda an unbalance.
Sure, it's pretty hard to appeal to the female audience sexually without grossing out a couple of 100 men. But you gotta live with it. Think of it this way. If women did not perv over men, we'd all be "gagging for it" faster than Gabe Newell can say the word "delay" in the same sentence as "game". If we can't please women, we're not getting anything back, and that's why games these days don't really sell. Sure, Ivy from Soulcalibur was hot, but who do women have to perv at? Rock? I think not...
[NOTE]: Fighting games are bad offenders of women.
Sure, it's pretty hard to appeal to the female audience sexually without grossing out a couple of 100 men. But you gotta live with it. Think of it this way. If women did not perv over men, we'd all be "gagging for it" faster than Gabe Newell can say the word "delay" in the same sentence as "game". If we can't please women, we're not getting anything back, and that's why games these days don't really sell. Sure, Ivy from Soulcalibur was hot, but who do women have to perv at? Rock? I think not...
[NOTE]: Fighting games are bad offenders of women.
Not particularly funny, not particularly engaging, not particularly RELEVANT...
In all honesty, this is pretty damned awful.
In all honesty, this is pretty damned awful.
I think we're confusing sexuality with objectification. Celebrating sexuality is one thing, and including attractive characters in a game doesn't hurt anyone. That isn't objectification. Objectification is treating someone as an object without full regard for them as a person; its an exercise of control.FreedomofInformation said:
And as you pointed out, attempting to control other people isn't cool.
Including characters in games PURELY for the sexual gratification they provide their audience doesn't help anyone, and it helps promote a culture where objectifying members of the group that character represents is ok. People (generally speaking) don't like to be objectified; being used and mistreated is kind of a shitty feeling and I think most people try to avoid it when they can.
I don't think its an imposition of arbitrary foreign values to ask that that the gaming community step it up and try to be more inclusive and egalitarian about how we treat people. I think fair an equal treatment is as a pretty widely held value and we should be doing more to uphold it.
I also don't think this is over-intellectualizing; its not like this is a terribly complicated philosophical question. If its too much for you, though, you don't have to continue discussing it if you don't want to; I don't want to force you to do anything. I'm just asking if you could give it some thought, please.
See, I actually prefer those to the two he's done so far, although his set up needs a bit of a tweak, IMO.Onyx Oblivion said:
For example, sit down, or get a stand for the microphone or something. That would allow him to be more expressive. Related; he does need to get rid of the glasses. He seems to be really expressive and as stupid as it sounds, seeing his eyes would help a lot with the expressing.
I'm not going to give up on him until he covers a topic that hasn't already been done on the Escapist.
and tone down on the dick jokes and stuff. That's what I go to Cracked for.
I was thinking of doing the exact same thing. That image right there is the perfect encapsulation of a lot of the complaints about Sterling.bdcjacko said:
Just saying it is odd seeing "We just won a big award" next to cartoon boobs.
not to mention the blatant Lewis Black ripoff with all the extreme hand gestures, which by the way, look funnier when Lewis does them. He's really not that funny, not incredibly wrong, but not funny, and he's covering old subjects like you said. The ultimate solution to sexism/racism/every other ism isn't objectifying everyone. It isn't shitting equally on everyone, it's not giving a crap what color/gender/wtf-ever someone is, and just doing what is right/profitable. Therefore, not objectifying women in games is actually more sexist because objectifying them sells, and to not do so when the purpose of your game is to make money, would be akin to saying that women are somehow so much more than men that they can't be exploited for profit. Male stereotypes are enforced just as much by the gaming medium, but no one seems to complain that Mass Effect is sexist because it makes male Shepard the total bad-ass who chews steal, spits bullets, and who hits on every woman within 3 planets.Tamama said: