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Why am I reminded of an older Zero Punctuation episodes, mailbag showdown that pretty much destroys the notion that people are trying to be "objective".

Basically, it seems what people want is a Wikipedia entry, minus the reception section towards the end.
 

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Hazy992 said:
]It still happens though. Individual incidents being resolved doesn't mean it's not still happening, which is not the case with reviews.

And how exactly was the Shadow of Mordor incident resolved? As far as I know those videos are still up, and YouTubers like Boogie actually defended it.

http://boogie2988.tumblr.com/post/98717807838/about-brand-deals-youtube-and-you
Weeeeell. Here.

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/527297077504929792

TB himself goes over it.

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Let's be perfectly honest. People can dress it up however they want "Be objective" "Don't be biased" "Focus on what the consumer wants" It's all window dressing. Really people are saying "People keep talking about the portrayal of non-white male heterosexual characters and I don't care about that and I want them to shut up." Most of them will never admit it though.

There are plenty of people out there who really do want better "Ethics" in journalism, but plenty of people just talk about "ethics" to say "don't talk about this thing I'm not invested in and dislike."
I appreciate that you do accept that there are some of us making a concerted effort to hold journalists to a basic ethical standard, but... "ethics" seems condescending as all hell.

Personally, I don't at all care what someone wants to put in a review, so long as it's an op-ed or doesn't have a review score that pops up to muddy metacritic scores. If this is the precedent, then there is absolutely nothing stopping someone from throwing out 5's or 1's or otherwise ridiculously non-proportional scores based on their political/social biases.

I don't care that it's about sexism. I'd be similarly upset if it were someone throwing in anti-abortion/pro-abortion or misogynistic/misandristic or racist stuff, then having that directly impact the overall score.

In any case, I definitely agree with the idea that we should seek out different reviewers if the one we're reading is blatantly biased in some respect...but metacritic. D:

It speaks to the larger issue of publishers basing dev bonuses on metacritic scores, which really needs to be addressed. If that were handled, I really wouldn't have much of a problem.

Sincerely...I'm not sure what the problem is with making an honest effort at being as objective as possible. There is no such thing as a 100% objective review and I haven't seen anybody make an argument, that didn't completely fall apart the moment it was uttered, for it.
 

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Madkipz said:
Hazy992 said:
seditary said:
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Gamers are increasingly turning to people on Youtube and Twitch to get their impressions of gaming and leaving behind traditional games media and reviewers and instead of you know, trying to adapt and improve their activities, yell and scream that gamers just don't understand its impossible.

Perhaps try looking at your own house because there's a reason we're moving out.
Which is ironic because YouTubers etc are far more likely to be bought out and collude with big publishers than traditional reviewers. Just look at XB1M13, Shadow of Mordor and countless other brand deals for evidence of that.
And those issues were bought to attention by some of those youtubers, discussed by the community and resolved. Like adults should.
It still happens though. Individual incidents being resolved doesn't mean it's not still happening, which is not the case with reviews.

And how exactly was the Shadow of Mordor incident resolved? As far as I know those videos are still up, and YouTubers like Boogie actually defended it.

http://boogie2988.tumblr.com/post/98717807838/about-brand-deals-youtube-and-you
Of course the video's are still up. Why wouldn't they be? He's doing a paid promotion. That's not corruption. That's simply what he's doing and the consumer is informed about it.

On top of that when TB exposed that the PR company had spesific clauses that prevented critique they managed to get the PR company to change it. When they released the second contract it was perfectly acceptable.
When did I say corruption? Don't put words in my mouth. I said YouTubers are more likely to be paid off. Boogie, along with many others, were paid by WB to do the promotion, a promotion where they weren't allowed to say anything negative about the game.

I'm not going to go so far as to say it's corrupt, but it's certainly dodgy to look at, and you know damn well why AAA publishers do it; because they know that Youtubers are seen as 'normal gamers' and 'just like us', so they take advantage of that. And they sure as hell don't disclose all the clauses like 'don't be negative' and 'don't show bugs', so even if they put that it's a paid promotion in the description the audience still aren't getting the full picture.

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https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/527297077504929792

TB himself goes over it.
Could you do me a solid and transcribe that for me? I can't access Twitter from my work PC. Thanks
 

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We've been over this. Sadly, as much as I would be glad to ignore certain low quality sites and reviewers, they're factored into metacritic just the same, which help determine the success or failure of games and studios themselves. I'm fine if you write your biased review for you and your extremely small audience that agrees with you that games should only fit a very specific narrow view of what is good or not, just keep it off metacritic.
It is not a reviewer's job to suck the publisher's balls out of fear that a dev team might get axed. It is a reviewer's job to help consumers decide whether the game is worth their time and money. A reviewer who downplays a game's shittier aspects because being honest would hurt the developer is not only not being objective (a reviewer with a stake in whether the game does well is the textbook definition of bias), they're failing to do their job.
EDIT: also, sucking up to publishers isn't Metacritic's job either. It exists to inform consumers about which publications liked the game and which didn't, enabling them to make more informed decisions.
 

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Hazy992 said:
Could you do me a solid and transcribe that for me? I can't access Twitter from my work PC. Thanks
Sure, here's a link to the text blog he's reading from:

http://blueplz.blogspot.com/2014/10/saloncom-knows-nothing-about-gaming-and.html

Or a direct link to the sound cloud if you don't want to read:

https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/in-which-we-expose-how-little-saloncom-bothered-to-research-its-latest-hit-piece

As for the point ya raised in that post...

Disclosure is really the biggest issue. The youtubers I frequent do disclose and I was under the impression that they are, legally, obligated to do so for paid promotional material.

Them not doing so, especially if it comes up, permanently damages their credibility for the audience and tends to drive said audience to different, more reliable, sources. The fun thing about youtube is that different youtubers will draw attention to breaches in an effort to get more of an audience for themselves.

It's a bit of a shark tank, in that respect. Each is vying for revenue/audience share in a very real and quantifiable (views/subs) way. It's kind of remarkable to see the checks and balances going into it.
 

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LostGryphon said:
Hazy992 said:
Could you do me a solid and transcribe that for me? I can't access Twitter from my work PC. Thanks
Sure, here's a link to the text blog he's reading from:

http://blueplz.blogspot.com/2014/10/saloncom-knows-nothing-about-gaming-and.html

Or a direct link to the sound cloud if you don't want to read:

https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/in-which-we-expose-how-little-saloncom-bothered-to-research-its-latest-hit-piece

As for the point ya raised in that post...

Disclosure is really the biggest issue. The youtubers I frequent do disclose and I was under the impression that they are, legally, obligated to do so for paid promotional material.

Them not doing so, especially if it comes up, permanently damages their credibility for the audience and tends to drive said audience to different, more reliable, sources. The fun thing about youtube is that different youtubers will draw attention to breaches in an effort to get more of an audience for themselves.

It's a bit of a shark tank, in that respect. Each is vying for revenue/audience share in a very real and quantifiable (views/subs) way. It's kind of remarkable to see the checks and balances going into it.
Thanks for that, appreciate it.

Anyway, my point was more to do with the fact that they can't say anything negative, point out bugs etc. I understand that brand deals happen, but my issue is they aren't disclosing the full extent of the brand deal, so their real opinions are being neutered or outright silenced by these deals.

A lot of gamers look up to YT Personalites, again with the idea of 'they're just like us', so it's quite worrying that publishers are exploiting that.

EDIT: Having glanced through the TB post, it is good to see that he managed to solve the incident. However, I stand by my stance that this isn't the first time this has happened and it certainly won't be the last.
 

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Hazy992 said:
Thanks for that, appreciate it.

Anyway, my point was more to do with the fact that they can't say anything negative, point out bugs etc. I understand that brand deals happen, but my issue is they aren't disclosing the full extent of the brand deal, so their real opinions are being neutered or outright silenced by these deals.

A lot of gamers look up to YT Personalites, again with the idea of 'they're just like us', so it's quite worrying that publishers are exploiting that.

EDIT: Having glanced through the TB post, it is good to see that he managed to solve the incident. However, I stand by my stance that this isn't the first time this has happened and it certainly won't be the last.
No worries.

And I definitely get the concern there. We all have it and, apparently, so do some of the youtubers themselves. This recent incident has done a great deal for fostering good will though.

So long as there are parties who are willing to be transparent and call out this sort of behavior by publishers/pr firms, then they and, by extension, we can hopefully stave off the inevitable future attempts.
 

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insaninater said:
erttheking said:
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Let's be perfectly honest. People can dress it up however they want "Be objective" "Don't be biased" "Focus on what the consumer wants" It's all window dressing. Really people are saying "People keep talking about the portrayal of non-white male heterosexual characters and I don't care about that and I want them to shut up." Most of them will never admit it though.

There are plenty of people out there who really do want better "Ethics" in journalism, but plenty of people just talk about "ethics" to say "don't talk about this thing I'm not invested in and dislike."
Oh cmon now. I think a lot of people, myself included, just want to know if a game is fun to play/enjoyable to experience or not. Fact is, sometimes i want to play a game for it's social commentary (spec ops the line is downloading on steam right now), sometimes i just want to play a game for the gameplay (WARFRAME! CYBORG NINJAS WITH SUPERPOWERS! [which by the way probably has more important female characters than male, so HA]). There's a distinct lack of people reviewing purely on the latter spectrum, and CERTAINLY a lack of people doing so without a corporate string being tied somewhere. I can't speak for everyone, but would it really be SO terrible to see more game reviewers just review a game based on how enjoyable it was? Without being overly influenced by politics or corporate influence? Because that's all i'm really asking for here. Is diversity in games an important topic? Sure. Is it THE ONLY TOPIC AND THE ONLY THING A REVIEW SHOULD EVER BE BASED ON EVER?! That is a definitive NO! I want to know if a game is good, not it's place as a political chess piece.
Considering that the latest game people are complaining about falling victim to this is Bayonetta 2, which has over 60 reviews on Metacritic in the green and only two in the yellow, I have to question if this is really as widespread as people are making it out to be.
 

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I don't think is a question of objectivity vs subjectivity is more like professional vs amateur. For example, sometimes reviewers make comments about the difficulty of a game but the game in focus has difficulty selection. What he wants to say? The difficulty selection don't work or he had expectations about one particular difficult and was too lazy to try the others?
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
The 100% Objective Review

This video is good. Unless you think it's bad. Then it's bad.

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Keep them honest Jim. You are the truth. And the truth hurts those who lie. May the merchants of mediocrity cower in your presence. Thank god for Jim Fucking Sterling!
 

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chikusho said:
I find it highly amusing that GG people wants to work against censorship (of slander and libel being removed from forums), and also want to force gaming journalists into self censorship (of things GG people don't agree with).
Stripped of all the extraneous BS, this thread here seems to get to the heart of the whole GG movement better than anything else. It centers around a bunch of people who are really angry that people have opinions they don't agree with... and that's wrong and they're not going to take it anymore.

Now, there is something wrong with video game reviews. Two things to my eyes. One is grade inflation where far too many games get perfect or near perfect scores, when it's clear to absolutely everyone that very few games should be getting such high scores. A 7/10 should not be considered a mixed opinion on metacritic, yet that is where we are right now.

Second is the absence of negative scores for most major games. There's plenty of people who don't like GTA V as witnessed by user scores across the Internet, yet only one critic gave it a mixed review. Plenty of people don't like Call of Duty, Halo, Assassins Creed, and other major franchises; but when is the last time you saw someone just slam one of those franchises with a really harsh review. It's almost unheard of for a movie to get universal praise, but games get it all the time. I'm not saying the guy who gave Deus Ex its one harsh review was right, but hand a game to enough people I expect someone to have that kind of reaction to almost any game. I thought I'd love Unreal, I hated it. I thought I'd enjoy Max Payne 3, I hated it. Where are these random negative reactions?

And witnessing the reaction of fans when someone gives a beloved franchise a 7/10, it might explain why negative reviews of major franchises happen so infrequently. Unless everyone is on-board to low-ball a game (Destiny), then the pitchforks and torches will come out for the guy who dared have a contrary opinion.
 

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MrFalconfly said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
MrFalconfly said:
However, if someone says that I'll have fewer troubles by adding a line of text then fine, I'll write that little disclaimer (and the just Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V from then on).
I don't even believe it'll lead to fewer troubles. People are upset because they're not being told what they want to hear.
But at least they can't shout at you for being a bad reviewer, when you have fully disclosed your methodology.
I've dabbled in the review game. There really isn't a methodology.

You watch/play/read something, you have a reaction, then you try to articulate why you had that reaction.

One week, you might complain that you hate something which is all explosions and no characters... then a few weeks later, someone does something really cool that is all explosions and no characters. You give a Michael Bay movie a four star review, then give a great film a three-and-a-half star review the next week. Not because the Bay movie is better, but because you have different expectations for the different kinds of films. You discover you have certain triggers. There's stuff you react very positively to and other things you react very negatively to. You discover that little things can taint your entire experience. You discover your mood plays into it, with certain things being more enjoyable if you're in that mood, but being a bit boring when you're not. Because you're on a schedule set by someone else, that you're not in the mood for a shooter this week doesn't mean jack because you've been assigned a shooter this week. Sometimes you're flat-out wrong. Sometimes the material is meh, so you amuse yourself by going on about extraneous stuff, because your job is as much entertaining the audience as it is informing the audience... this is why critics love bad reviews, because they're the most fun to write and the most entertaining to read.

The problem with video game reviews is they're stuck between fan reviews and professional reviews. A Roger Ebert likely would have made a mockery of something like Watch Dogs because it's so uninspired and unoriginal... but we have fan reviews, so everyone tries to focus on the positive because they don't want to stir the angry fanboys who will vilify them if they stray from the pack. A reviewer liking something should mean something. It's why I pay attention to Jim and Yahtzee, because they're a bit more vicious than the average critic. Them liking a game means something. Most video games reviewers, it means nothing. Yesterday I watched a 9.1 review of Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare from IGN and it meant nothing; they demonstrated no particular excitement about the game. It's just another inflated review score from an industry dedicated to over-praising everything.
 

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MrFalconfly said:
But at least they can't shout at you for being a bad reviewer, when you have fully disclosed your methodology.
Yes they can. I don't even think it'd stop people from shouting at you for posting your opinion, let alone for being a bad reviewer. Not only that, you haven't disclosed your methodology, only that the result is based upon opinion. Netrigan pointed out the dubious nature of review methodology in the first place, but my methodology could involve wearing the game around on my head for all you know. Not that that would be anything useful, but none of this is.

And the most amazing part is that other industries are able to do this without infantilising people. Maybe you think it's petty, but I'd like to not be talked to like I'm five when I'm trying to decide if/when/how to buy things.

Netrigan said:
Stripped of all the extraneous BS, this thread here seems to get to the heart of the whole GG movement better than anything else. It centers around a bunch of people who are really angry that people have opinions they don't agree with... and that's wrong and they're not going to take it anymore.
Which is why GG seems more interested in going after Jim Sterling or the Guardian than after the Shadows of Mordor debacle. But that's totally not journalism or...ponies.

And witnessing the reaction of fans when someone gives a beloved franchise a 7/10, it might explain why negative reviews of major franchises happen so infrequently. Unless everyone is on-board to low-ball a game (Destiny), then the pitchforks and torches will come out for the guy who dared have a contrary opinion.
And this is the problem. A 7/10 isn't even the problem anymore, though. There have been rage campaigns because a Halo title only got a 92/100. Only! And that's not even to get into things like the Carolyn Petit petition, which was probably more oriented towards the mention of sexism than the score itself.

Because we want an honest media--as long as it says exactly what we want to hear and scores things exactly as we want.

It does baffle me that scores that would be acceptable in any other medium are treated as though they're a personal vendetta against the fans or developer.

And on a related note, look at the guy who had a meltdown because Jim was mean about his game. I get that the game is his creation and whatnot, but he took criticism of bad game design and decided to rail against Jim. I can't help but think this is at least partially driven by a culture where we're expected to pretend games are awesome, lest we upset someone.
 

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Netrigan said:
Now, there is something wrong with video game reviews. Two things to my eyes. One is grade inflation where far too many games get perfect or near perfect scores, when it's clear to absolutely everyone that very few games should be getting such high scores. A 7/10 should not be considered a mixed opinion on metacritic, yet that is where we are right now.
I disagree. The reason so many games get so high scores is that they are the biggest and most often highest quality products available in the marketplace. The reason you see a 7 as a mixed review instead of a 4 or 5 is that most major outlets only review games that have already achieved a certain level of quality and public interest. And I have no problem with that at all.

Second is the absence of negative scores for most major games. There's plenty of people who don't like GTA V as witnessed by user scores across the Internet, yet only one critic gave it a mixed review. Plenty of people don't like Call of Duty, Halo, Assassins Creed, and other major franchises; but when is the last time you saw someone just slam one of those franchises with a really harsh review.
Well, yeah, this is hardly a surprise either. GTA 5 sold almost 34 million copies. That's plenty of people who's personal tastes will deny them the pleasure of enjoying the game even though it's still an extremely well made product. The same goes for the other franchises.

And witnessing the reaction of fans when someone gives a beloved franchise a 7/10, it might explain why negative reviews of major franchises happen so infrequently. Unless everyone is on-board to low-ball a game (Destiny), then the pitchforks and torches will come out for the guy who dared have a contrary opinion.
Also, pitchforks come out for the guy who dared have a similar opinion to other outlets. That doesn't really mean anything.
 

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This is a viewpoint I completely disagree with.
If you tell someone they are "completely" in the wrong, then you are telling them that you have not understood their position and you have no sympathy for them, no appreciation of their thought process and no interest in establishing a shared view of the subject, a common language for expressing mutually held ideas and a fundamental sense of the necessity to achieve those things. In short, you are telling them that they, and their ideas, are disposable to you and you would be perfectly content to see them, and their ideas, vanish from the discourse and the world in general.

Context is everything. Context separates "the news" from "editorials" from "humor" from "art". All of these can say the same things, but they are all based in human attempts to express what is being said using different modes. Game reviews fall all across these modes, and the modes can have blurry lines, especially when they address topics that exist primarily in other modes. Video games are, in and of themselves, in general, humor and art. The games put forth ideas or stories or settings that have emotional resonance and invite the player to connect with them, much like a novel, painting, piece of music, dance, play or so forth.

On the other hand, game journalism is generally expected to align itself with news and editorials -- to, in effect, make a sincere and thoughtful attempt to avoid distorting the subject to make its points. When people ask for something like "objectivity" or "impartiality", they are trying to say they want the presenter to be aware of their own biases and to avoid them with roughly the same level of ethical rigor that is considered appropriate for the news.

However, this is an inherently flawed and impossible goal, because games are not, in general, a topic suitable to reporting in a news mode. Many aspects of games are suitable, such as "release dates" and "price" and "frame rate", but these are trivial and below the level of what qualifies as "news" -- it would be like expecting an evening news broadcast to read the local bus schedule.

News and games do overlap significantly in the case of game tournaments. The event itself is appropriate for news, and the reporting can cover, as relevant to the event, the concepts of the game, its strategy, character options, play styles, historical evolution of technique and a variety of topics that work to convey to the audience the significance of what is happening. (This is not new. World chess competitions used to be considered major news.)

But looking for game reviews to cover games themselves as if they were "news" is basically asking for "art" to be treated as a subject of "news". The news can tell you where a painting is exhibited or when a ballet will be performed. The news can tell you if there is a long line to see a play or if the prior works of a writer sold well. The news can convey a lot of material, including reporting on ways in which a work of art has caused controversy. But the news cannot tell you what you will think about it. The news can't tell you what "feminists" or "athletes" or "republicans" or "gamers" or "terrorists" will think about a work of art or a game. Not as groups or individuals, because the modality of news precludes that kind of speculation and projection. Moreover, in the realm of honest news it is recognized that groups like those do not have monolithic viewpoints. The news can report that, "a spokesman for the ... said ...", but that is considered distinct from expressing that every member of that group would have also said the same thing.

Game journalism as game reviews are, functionally, editorials. That's virtually all they can be, without slipping into "humor" or "art" themselves. While the news makes (when done properly) an extreme effort to avoid presenting "distorted" content by excluding the presentation of inherently distorted content, editorials are considered free to enter that realm. That is, an editorial can say, "This is good" and "I liked this" and "This is crap" and "I hated this". And that is what people want from game reviews -- just like what they want from movie reviews, fashion reviews and numerous other forms of commentary on what people think about a piece of art.

So, what are the social rules? In a "news" context, editorials must be labeled as such. This is often considered to have occurred when the word "editorial" is placed near the content. But also when anything that is considered equivalent and historically valid is used to delineate the content as well, such as "movie review" or "morning news" or "cable news after a certain hour of the day". The very detail that a "game review" is called a "game review" should convey that it is an editorial, an opinion, and not "news".

But it's not that simple. Because "game reviewers" are now artists and humorists who are often tasked with presenting factual news as well. Jim is an excellent example of this. His presentation is in the form of a persona -- a "character" who one is led to imagine is at least somewhat distinct from himself. He will often perform in ways that use distortion for humor, such as with this video. Jim is attempting not just to convey a review of a game, but also to make an artistic expression about who Jim is (both as a character and as the person creating and presenting that character). Jim is also attempting to be funny. And, perhaps most awkwardly, Jim is often conveying actual game industry news. This fails as "news" and "editorial", may work as "humor" (which is a matter of taste), and certainly succeeds in being performance art. The same can be said of many other "reviewers" who perform their reviews in an artistic format.

What makes the "news" news is the sincere attempt to exclude performance, humor and opinion. An editorial allows opinions, but requires them to be sincerely held and to avoid distortions purely intended to humorous effect or for other performance value. Humor and art (as modes) permit any distortions and make no promises to the audience about the content.

I don't completely disagree with anyone in this "argument". Because all I see are people trying to be understood and looking to the general community for validation, but refusing to understand each other. People are expressing themselves with emotionally-charged language, confused short-hand and misappropriated argot. Sincerity is met with scorn, and there is always one knight on the line who draws his sword to kill a snake, sending whole armies into unwanted battle.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
MrFalconfly said:
But at least they can't shout at you for being a bad reviewer, when you have fully disclosed your methodology.
Yes they can. I don't even think it'd stop people from shouting at you for posting your opinion, let alone for being a bad reviewer. Not only that, you haven't disclosed your methodology, only that the result is based upon opinion. Netrigan pointed out the dubious nature of review methodology in the first place, but my methodology could involve wearing the game around on my head for all you know. Not that that would be anything useful, but none of this is.

And the most amazing part is that other industries are able to do this without infantilising people. Maybe you think it's petty, but I'd like to not be talked to like I'm five when I'm trying to decide if/when/how to buy things.
Well, I've got nothing.

I want to find an answer.

An answer that preferably wont involve shouting at an entire demographic (because that never works, and you'll piss off quite a lot of "innocent bystanders" if you do it. Also, apropos of #Gamergate", I thought their issue was with the collusion in games media, not "objective reviews". Or maybe the word "objective" was used to keep the reviewer distance from the company producing the product. Like Chris Harris not having Ferrari looking over his should while he reviews their new car)
 

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chikusho said:
Netrigan said:
Now, there is something wrong with video game reviews. Two things to my eyes. One is grade inflation where far too many games get perfect or near perfect scores, when it's clear to absolutely everyone that very few games should be getting such high scores. A 7/10 should not be considered a mixed opinion on metacritic, yet that is where we are right now.
I disagree. The reason so many games get so high scores is that they are the biggest and most often highest quality products available in the marketplace. The reason you see a 7 as a mixed review instead of a 4 or 5 is that most major outlets only review games that have already achieved a certain level of quality and public interest. And I have no problem with that at all.
I was a little late to the GTA IV party, so by the time I had shown up the general consensus was "it looks amazing, but it's not a particularly good GTA game"... but endless stream of 10/10 reviews for it. So much so that fans were expressing doubts about the objectivity of game reviewers way back when.

I read the reviews, so I go back to the Quake 1 days of finding game reviews kind of tough to take. If you read a lot of game reviews, they're describing games they really weren't *that* impressed by, but they give it a ridiculously high score at the end if it's a major franchise. There's long been this sense of "please, don't hurt me" in game reviews as they know there's these highly volatile fan bases out there just itching to go after you if you dare suggest their favorite franchise is anything less than brilliant. If the fans decide a game didn't live up to expectations, then every critic suddenly retcons their opinion to one of disappointment, so all the glowing reviews of Quake 2 became "after the disappointment that was Quake 2, Quake 3 is a return to form".

Maybe reviewers were momentarily dazzled by the games they give perfect scores to, but you're still left with an industry with a distinct and long-standing habit of over-praising games that quickly lose their luster.
 

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This is actually really interesting. I now know pretty much everything about final fantasy 13, and absolutely nothing!

My head hurts.
 

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Ickorus said:
themilo504 said:
I don?t understand either why people want a 100 percent objective review, if all they want is info on the game just read a Wikipedia article, just admit that you dislike that the reviewer gave a game you liked a low score and stop making excuses.
Problem is, nobody is saying they want a 100% objective review, there's a massive difference between reviewing a game based on the game and using a game review as your own personal platform for whatever cause you've decided to champion for that week.

I'm personally fine if people want to talk about their problems with a game, but when you're attaching a score to it and pretending you're reviewing the game I'll call bullshit.
Could you please give me a example of a reviewer using a review as a platform to talk about a cause he?s fighting for, I?m sure they exist but I would like to actually see one.
 

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andri88 said:
"I hated this movie. Hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it."
-So you wanna go back in time and tell Roger Ebert how to do his job?
Oh, you want to talk about Roger Ebert? Fine, let's talk about Roger Ebert.

http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/rogers-little-rule-book

Ebert actually cared about his ethics. Now read that list and let me know how many things on there these "professional reviewers" violate each and every day?

Shjade said:
Thanatos2k said:
"Some people like it, some people don't" is not objective criticism. Saying WHY people like it or don't is objective criticism.
Actually, unless you have concrete, irrefutable evidence proving what you claim about why people like or don't like something, saying why people like or don't like it is giving your opinion about why people may or may not like it, which is not objective criticism. It's subjective. You are not stating facts; you are giving your opinion. You are commenting on something that may or may not be true, not stating something that you know is true.

Thank you for demonstrating you don't understand what you're talking about.
Yes, it would involved actually talking to people, and doing research. Tough for many of these glorified bloggers, I know. But if you're going to claim to be professional you should probably bring more knowledge to the table than a random user review on Steam.