Jimquisition: The Adblock Episode

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WeepingAngels

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Marter said:
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You only want people who have never used adblock to be discussing this?

How about we have a conversation about beef and only allow vegetarians to talk?
I didn't say that. I said you have no reason to admit that you're using an ad blocker. To my knowledge we've not warned anyone who said they did use adblocker and then stopped. Past history isn't getting people warnings. Current admission is.
So really it's just a matter of people jumping through escapist hoops to not say the wrong thing. Why can't we have a single thread where people are allowed to speak freely on this subject?

So here's a question, what if one were to admit to currently using adblocker on other sites but whitelisting this one?
 

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WeepingAngels said:
So here's a question, what if one were to admit to currently using adblocker on other sites but whitelisting this one?
I believe that the people who have done that in this thread have been fine.
 

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While I do agree that the Escapist has some really awful and intrusive ads that really pissed me off, I absolutely love the content of this site. Many many times in the past when I was broke I used adblock on this site because of how bad this sites ad were. However that did not stop how much I enjoy this site and the community so I had no problem shelling out the $20 when I was able to afford it. Been a pub club member for 2 years and have not regretted the purchase at all.

Hell now that I think about it the only ads that ever piss me off are ones that stop me from viewing the content I want to see. Like the "Please wait 30 seconds before getting a link leading to where you want to go" and the long ads before or interrupting a video. (Youtube will forever be blocked because of this sin.)

And then there is fucking Hulu. You know. The quality of the ads run in perfect 1080p then the main content runs at 240p with long amounts of buffering. (Slight over exageration but you get my pain.)And on top of that they still force their top paying subscribers to sit through ads. There is a special circle of hell for the corporate fuckers who decides to do this.

Fine you can have ads. As long as they are around the borders not making any noise and are not preventing me from having a good time.
 

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I don't use adblock, but the only site I browse frequently that makes me ever consider actually using it is The Escapist - I occasionally encounter ads that start playing, with sound, without any prompting from me, and this is incredibly annoying, especially when I have multiple tabs open.
 

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I won't block ads because I know they're how most sites get their funding.

However:

I have a problem with sites that have auto-running video ads that often cause my browser to crash because there's so many going on at once, and I really loathe the "scroll over and auto play" types. This site happens to be one of them. Again, don't block and won't, but growing rather intolerant.
 

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Marter said:
WeepingAngels said:
You only want people who have never used adblock to be discussing this?

How about we have a conversation about beef and only allow vegetarians to talk?
I didn't say that. I said you have no reason to admit that you're using an ad blocker. To my knowledge we've not warned anyone who said they did use adblocker and then stopped. Past history isn't getting people warnings. Current admission is.
Honestly, I would just like to know exactly what contract agreement with the advertising agencies is forcing this. It seems to me that, in this particular case, everybody stands to win from an honest and open debate. Just let people tell the truth and maybe share the results especially with the advertising agency to help them target the escapist audience in a way that is both effective advertising on the one hand and not so obnoxious as to drive people to use adblockers.

As a scholar in the field of policy science, I understand the need for enforcing regulations. But the most vital attribute needed to be a succesfull regulator is to adapt the policy to fit reality, not the other way around. For reality is not maleable.
 

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At this point AdBlock has largely become a solution to combating poorly targeted advertisements with the unfortunately side effect of nuking legitimate advertisements as well. That and people like to stick malware onto advertisements, turning AdBlock into a form of malware protection.

But then if we go the other way and have advertising directly in the video via posters, banners, company merchandise, etc, people start thinking the person running the show has sold out. There has to be a solution in here somewhere.
 

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WeepingAngels said:
So really it's just a matter of people jumping through escapist hoops to not say the wrong thing.
To be fair, that's what posting on the Escapist is always like.

Want to insult someone and avoid a warning for it? Cleverly and slyly imply an insult towards them or towards the viewpoint they hold.
(Warning: Not guaranteed to work. Use at own risk.)
 

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Please standardize the volume of your ads so they are the same as the content or at least have a mute option (one that's global). I don't mind watching your ads, but hearing them...

"I WANNA HUG SANTA!!!"~"born different"~"I WANNA HUG SANTA!!!"~"but not like you"~"I WANNA HUG SANTA!!!"

God... my freaking ears... Thanks for the tinnitus guys.

Edit: No really. Physically hurt me. It's a jerk move.
 

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I would like to say that i am disgusted by the moderation decisions being taken against common sense. This is "The Adblock Episode".

I'm going to keep posting this because it keeps being relevant.

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Phrozenflame500 said:
Can mods give clarification on how we're to discuss this? Normally adblock threads are instantly closed with participants warned and if there's to even be a comments section for this video they'll have to be some sort of exception.
Briefly discussed with a moderator yesterday that exceptions would have to be made here. I cannot speak for the admins, but I would like to believe they understand that, in order to comment here, an armistice is gonna be needed.
You are contradicting the point of this video, the wishes of the contributor and causing a huge moderation headache for yourselves simply because you can't deviate from the letter of the rules for a special thread. Make an excpetion for a exceptional situation.

This is some of the stupidest moderation I've seen on my time on this site.
I directly asked the moderator about this 5 posts earlier and the question was ignored.


Just got one of those video ads blaring through my speakers and taking up a sizable portion of my screen. Does escapist really expect people to put up with those?
 

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While I'm all for a forum code and enforcement thereof, I think some moderator actions in this thread are treading incredibly close to a (perceived) double-standard, leading to questionable warnings and toward people doubting the justice of the mod system.
I think the amount of warnings dished out in this thread helps neither the climate of the forum/community nor a positive image of the moderators/moderation system. Worst of all, I feel it sidetracks (like this post) and inhibits (possible punishment) the discussion of the topic.
 
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I'm not afraid to admit that I use ad-block at all. It has nothing to do with the ad's running on this site, or other gaming/anime related sites in general. It more in lines had to do with the very adult sites I visit daily and those ad's are a dozy. Those ad's can get very loud/annoying if you catch my drift...
 

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Interestingly, one of those annoying "adds with sounds but no pause button" popped up for me right on this episode. An amusing coincidence, given that they've been quite rare for me so far.
 

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keroko said:
Interestingly, one of those annoying "adds with sounds but no pause button" popped up for me right on this episode. An amusing coincidence, given that they've been quite rare for me so far.
Probably the vile magic of the content matching system.
 

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To try and contribute something productive to this mess:

If the ads on a website are horribly intrusive and obnoxious, and most people block them for these reasons, then that means the advertising policy that site uses is failing miserably.

One would think such a site would want to take such feedback on board, to avoid people adblocking or simply leaving the site altogether.
 

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TheMadDoctorsCat said:
Aardvaarkman said:
That analogy doesn't really hold up for me. Most directors direct movies because they love the craft of making movies, not because they want to be rich. By putting it this way, you're essentially saying that The Escapist is in it just for the advertising dollars, not for the content.
You get that the Escapist staff and its contributors are PAID to do this job, right?
You get that Jim said he would do these videos for the love of doing it, right?

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You don't do a job to create something great. You do a job to get paid. If you get to create something great in the process, that's a bonus.
That's the exact opposite to how many creative people work. They want to do something great. If they get paid doing it, that's a bonus.

In fact, if you start out just trying to make money, rather than do something you love, you are unlikely to make something great (or get paid for it).
 

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WeepingAngels said:
I directly asked the moderator about this 5 posts earlier and the question was ignored.
Which question did I ignore?
 

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I'm still puzzled about why that rule even exists. Do they think they'll scare people away from using that software?
Is banning people from your site really the best way of dealing with people who block your ads?
The core of why it exists is that people who block ads are leeching resources, encouraging/enabling someone else to do the same is close to directly stealing from those of us who make a living off of this website. While we would all like to have a mutually enjoyable discussion about our views on the topic, our rent money makes it less flexible then most topics. While there's plenty of misunderstanding or non-personal reasons for running an ad blocker, we're generally disinterested in spending money on resources for these self proclaimed leeches. Please respect this.

The core of why we still insist on enforcing the advocacy rule in a thread like this is because people who can't read and comprehend the rules, so still casually break them are not people we want cluttering up such a discussion. It's very closely related to low content rule tolerance - there's acceptable levels of "low content", but it very quickly erodes out of reasonable boundaries when exceptions are made. There's thousands of people here, the moderators do their best to filter out those who can't follow basic instructions or take the effort to adjust their important internet words to the topic at hand. There's no discussion spawned from such admissions, only cheer-leading, which does not help keep such a volatile topic readable.

If your argument vitally requires you to go against the policies we try to enforce for a readable discussion, please refrain from posting or maybe ask for assistance with phrasing your viewpoint from a neutral angle.

Also, moderators can make mistakes; because like most people, they are people. We do our best to be consistent (not having a litany of exceptions is part of that) Please make use of the appeals system linked in your warning message if you feel there was a legitimate error.

Warnings are just that, warnings. They don't do anything but collapse the one post (so others can hopefully see what to avoid) and send a message to the user. I'm sorry if that is unacceptable, but after many years of trying more lenient methods of dealing with large quantities of people having discussions and trying to get dissenting viewpoints banned, these policies tend to be the most reasonable/fair to all involved.

Sorry for any inconvenience. :(

IceForce said:
One would think such a site would want to take such feedback on board, to avoid people adblocking or simply leaving the site altogether.
We hate bad/obnoxious ads and will report them internally if we see them. We often don't see every ad on the site, so if something is particularly egregious, please take a screenshot if possible along with the domain or URL of the ad and post the information in the Tech Team group [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/chat/Tech-Team]. We'll forward it along.

We've managed to get many ads toned back in how obnoxious they are, or disabled entirely (occasionally we get "they paid for that", but at least that's idiocy we're aware of so it generally doesn't block site content/auto play/other terrible things). People VERY RARELY bother to mention an ad with issues rather then block everything and say nothing, so we appreciate it when things are said.

We want people to enjoy viewing the site, and do our best to make it tolerable in the face of the only real revenue stream that pays to host websites. If you enjoy our content, please let us know exactly when/how things like ads get in your way.
 

WeepingAngels

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Marter said:
WeepingAngels said:
I directly asked the moderator about this 5 posts earlier and the question was ignored.
Which question did I ignore?
Why can't we have a single thread where people are allowed to speak freely on this subject?

Maybe I edited that in and you read the post before I completed the edit. Anyway, this thread should be immune to the rule about adblock. If we can't have an honest discussion, then the discussion is worthless.