Jimquisition: The Adblock Episode

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raichu845

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I do not mind removing adblock, after all it is a small price to pay for something that I enjoy watching. What is a short ad for a video that comes out once a week. The only time I use adblock and will admit it is when I twitch, the reason is that I will not run ads to something they refuse to fix. Other than that unless the ads are extremely intrusive or just make the website unbearable I just don't run it. It is free content, half a minute of our time is nothing for something which is free.
 

TheSapphireKnight

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I don't use adblock, it was awful tempting when internet advertising wasn't quite so widespread, but I have gotten used to it.

I do wish there was a way to say fuck you to just the advertisers who use auto-play and pop-ups without actually hurting the sites I want to support or making the problem worse.
 

Aardvaarkman

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Barbas said:
Ah, well. Compromise is an important part of life. Also, I agree with the sentiments above - can this comments section be an exception to the rule: Ad Blockers - Do not link to, advocate, or admit to using ad blockers [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconduct]?
There's another discussion in itself. Why The Escapist feels it necessary to put forum rules in place to deny the existence of ad blockers. That's a whole other level of crazy, like pretending that reality doesn't exist. If they need to resort to such censorship of an increasingly commonplace topic then that's a symptom of a much deeper problem.

Did The Escapist think that by banning mention of ad blockers on the forums, that somehow people wouldn't know that they exist or not use them?
 

Rafe

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I don't adblock anything I like and respect so all of Jim Sterling's, the Escapist's and Destructoid's work isn't ad blocked for me and never will be.

Having said that the Escapist ads are appalling. My computer isn't great and I don't have nearly enough money to get a new one, so the ads and the Escapist make it very difficult to watch content. Crashes are frequent and just typing out this comment is really laggy. I'll never adblock this site but I'd love it if the adverts aren't so bad that trying to access this site an ordeal. I don't have these problems anywhere else I don't use adblock by the way.
 

TehAardvark

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I use flashblock instead of adblock. Flashblock allows you to select when running anything using Adobe Flash, so if I play a video it allows everything in the video to play, including the ads, but it stops anything else on the page that could potentially play audio as you need flash to do that. And yeah, I plan to keep using it, way I see it I'm "paying" for what I watch by clicking to play it and letting the ad go, but that's it. If that gets me "warned" or banned then I'll just reset my router, but as I said I think it's fair to "pay" a minute of ads for a 4-8 minute video, but no more.
 

hickwarrior

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Odd thing about that, for some reason I didn't get many ads, even if I browse without being logged in. Might be a firefox thing though.

I'd happily support a site whose content I actually like. But the ads shouldn't be intrusive. Maybe it's because I live in europe that it doesn't happen? I wish I could tell, though.
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
Briefly discussed with a moderator yesterday that exceptions would have to be made here. I cannot speak for the admins, but I would like to believe they understand that, in order to comment here, an armistice is gonna be needed.
That's good, although a direct answer from the mods will be nice.

Personally I think the ideal scenario is Adblock Plus' <a href=https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads>Acceptable Ads initiative where sites which hold their ads to a specific standard can have their ads show up by default on users with Adblock installed. Notably Reddit ads are white listed by default. The majority of ad block users would probably be ok as long as the ads aren't annoyingly intrusive, although I do understand forcing ad companies to a baseline standard will be easier said then done.
 

Britpoint

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Disabled! At least for now. The trouble I had with The Escapist is that ads would play... and then not redirect to the video afterwards. It would just get stuck. And if I refreshed the page the ad would play again and same issue!

As long as I can actually, you know, watch the actual show after an ad has run, I'm happy to keep it disabled.
 

Bayushi_Kouya

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I prefer a little discrimination in my ad-blocking. Specifically, I don't use ad-block. I just don't watch content loaded with ads that I feel are contemptuous of my intelligence (like the sessile ads on this site -- I just don't scroll down to them). But the majority of the video ads here are relevant and tolerable (being products or services that I would use), so I muscle past them to get to the good stuff.
 

lordmanticore

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I'm guessing that I'll get banned for this, but as a rule, I do use adblock. While I can appreciate Jim's stance on it, and, since he asked very nicely, I may try to add his videos to my white list; the ads that are placed on here and other places are getting worse and worse. It's clear that marketers and corporations think very low of the average 'Murican and loves to just plaster every page possible with loud screaming ads. It is even worse for people (like myself sometimes) to look at these sites on a tablet, as the ads become virtually impossible to turn off, or even automatically take you to whatever, crap filled, virus laden "Link" they want when you tap anywhere on the screen.

Sorry, but until there is a better way to advertise a product without forcing you to go to it, adblock will be on every computer and every browser that I use. Sorry guys.
 

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I can certainly see how more people using adblock would cause adverts to make more intrusive ads. Above all, I hate the ones that autoplay in some discrete corner of the site I'm on, or the one where if you accidentally wiggle your mouse pointer on the slightest corner of the ad window, the window opens up ALL over your screen and plays so screamingly loud I'd almost rather a grenade went off beside me. I'm tired of having to play Minesweeper on almost every website where the punishment for losing is a loud ad trying to sell me a fucking Jeep at prices I couldn't even hope to afford right now.

I've never used adblock though, nor do I really want to go out of my way to do so. YES, I hate ads just as much as anyone, YES it's incredibly inconvenient, but everyone needs to make a living, and as long as the content from the people I'm watching is enjoyable enough to me, I can wait 15 seconds. If it isn't? Then I stop watching, and then don't give them the money from sitting through the ad. It's that simple.
 

WildFire15

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Well, I do use adblock. Like most people, I installed it because one particular site decided to force hundreds of adverts on me that ruined the whole site and slowed my browser to a crawl and because of that one terrible example, others have ended up 'suffering', for lack of a better term. Think I'll experiment by putting all the sites I regularly frequent (including the Escapist) on the white list and see how it goes.

Still, advertisers need to learn some restraint. More often then not, forcing an advert in someone's face makes them less inclined to buy the advertised item/service, or at least I always feel less inclined.
 

SnakeoilSage

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Hmm, we need a post on this thread to show people how to white-list pages on firefox and chrome.
 

Lord Doomhammer

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I'm gonna go into rant mode here so bear with me.

Does anyone remember the guys over at Rooster Teeth? I barely do, I remember they made that cool machinima about Halo called Red vs Blue. It was great, I'd go there all the fucking time. And as their popularity grew, so did the ads. The ads got worse and worse, banners on screen ads on popups on intro and outtro ads. So many ads, that the ads would take up all the bandwidth and cause the actual video to not load! And ya know what, I couldn't take it anymore. So in the days before adblock, I stopped going to their site, and since adblock, I've never gone back. I never finished watching that cool shit, because the adds utterly and completely ruined the experience. They could have done a thousand things differently, but no. They rammed adds up the butt and pissed off the client base.

Youtube was on the fast track to do the same thing, and when ever I have to use the internet on a computer without adblock, I quickly find myself asking "how the hell did I put up with this?" It's absolutely inexcusable. Especially when most of the content is just some fedora, or neck beard sitting behind a webcam vomiting exposition. And throwing ads on it expecting people to be ok with using that as a means of them making money so they don't have to get a real job. And when I come home from a real job, with my head hurting and my back aching, just wanting to watch some funny shit on my computer, and then I'm faced with this shit... well, the answer is no. Worse yet, when you pay attention to where viruses and malware come from, it's usually adds. Those adds on download sites, with a hundred buttons saying 'download here.' And guess what they download onto your computer when you click them? Candy? Birthday cake? Funny cat pictures even? No. It's fake antivirus programs, tracking malware, redirecting infections, and god knows what else. They are not good. And the fact that ad companies, AND THE SITES WHO HOST THEM allow this to happen is absolutely unacceptable.

Now, I don't think I'm an unreasonable man. I've long said that if you make cool merch to support yourself, then I'll buy those cool tee shirts or whatever, and if the escapist ever gets its store restocked, then indeed there are several I want. And I've asked the guys over at adblock, is there a plan in the works so I can let ads from, very specific channels or videos play some of their ads. Not the ones that burn bandwidth like your mom, but some. So far I haven't gotten a response there either, but I'm hopeful, and there is the option to allow some non-intrusive adds now, so maybe that's their response.

You and the other content creators can argue that adds are the best solution, or the moral thing to do, or whatever totalbiscuit wants to vomit up in favor of his ad based life. But at the end of the day, nothing that I've found on the internet, that is ad supported, is vital or irreplaceable. And considering the harm they can do; and have done, the 'content providers' are going to need to do a major rethink before I or anyone who runs adblock is going to think twice about it.
 

Doctor Proctor

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I run AdBlock on Firefox by default and then whitelist websites that I use frequently. The Escapist has been whitelisted for a LONG time (I think I first started coming here back in like '06 or something?), but then you guys started the SUPER annoying video ads and quarter page tear ad things that I kept having to X out of.

At that point I was prepared to AdBlock you guys when I noticed something wonderful...you can watch videos on your mobile phone when you join Publisher's Club? AND kill all the ads? With the TONS of video content from you, Yahtzee and MovieBob, along with the great features, $20 didn't seem so bad.

The other thing I liked about the Pub Club option was that it didn't just feel like a "If you pay us some money we'll 'protect' you so those mean ads don't come around anymore" extortion racket because of the extras that were offered. More fine grained RSS feeds, replacing the ads with little comic and quotes and neat stuff like that, getting better quality video that I can watch on mobile or even download? These are all GREAT additions that make it feel like a *service* I'm purchasing, rather than paying off the ad enforcers. So great job whoever designed your Pub Club, because you'll certainly be keeping my money as long as The Escapist keeps producing content that I enjoy. I wish more websites that offered subscriptions put the effort into them that you guys do.
 

Tinybear

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I haven't used adblock, but the Escapist was actually the site that tempted me the most to use it when it started autoplaying fucking videoes with fucking sound, two different modes, so muting the first one would still not mute the second one. I'm sorry, but at that point, I was close to giving up on the site.

Only reason I didn't stop viewing the escapist at all was actually because of you Jim. Keep up the good work, and if you know the person responsible for those horrid video ads, kick em in the groin.
 

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Without necessarily commenting on my own adblock use or lack thereof, the Escapist is one of the worst sites for ads I've seen, hands down. I mean hell, they run those banner ads that try to lure the gullible into clicking on them by saying you've got a virus or something. When viewing on my tablet, I've been getting popups that redirect me to dodgy-looking sites when I try to close them (and yes, I've checked for adware, and this only ever happens on the Escapist). That's not the kind of shit you should see on a legit site.

I love the content creators on the Escapist and do what I can to support them, but ye gods the site needs to do a better job of screening its advertising partners.

I also really wish we could change the rules about discussing adblockers. We're not going to have many constructive discussions about this very current, relevant issue if we have to rely on Jim asking for an armistice to avoid getting warned.

OT: Great video Jim, thanks for being understanding.
 

SonOfVoorhees

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Some sites abuse it, ive been on sites where you watch a 30 second ad just to watch 1 minute trailer. Its stupid. Other sites the time ratio between ad and content is better.
 

Johnson McGee

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Personally I would rather have an ad in the video than have to turn off adblock (as long as it's distinct and not overlapping either visually or audibly). Partly because it's more 'traditional' compared to TV, partly because it's more likely to be relevant since it's related to the video I'm watching and partly because I don't have to risk the various trickery and dickery of embedded ad's scripts.

I do feel a bit bad about not supporting those I watch. However, I tend to think of using ad-block as more analogous to using a PVR to skip TV ads rather than outright thievery.