Jimquisition: The Positive Side to Punching Nuns

[itsthesheppy]

I generally agree with Jim on this video. This is a conversation we need to keep having, culturally, until trailers like that one become something of a somewhat embarrassing bygone era.

 

[Negatempest]

Whats the argument here for or against the trailer? Can't be from the failed assassination because the trailer would of been "cool" if they were guys. Can't be from the S&M look since Hitman has had that before. Can't be from the "chauvinism" since the women weren't exactly being killed doing the laundry, cooking or cleaning a home. Heck they weren't even being kidnapped or babysat like so many women were in the past. They looked like they can more than defend themselves just that the MC was far better.

To me the trailer was okay at best. Mostly because it didn't really show any gameplay so I don't know I can do quick kills like that when fired upon by multiple enemies. -_-

 

[LadyRhian]

Things weirdly to note.
Firstly the actions in the trailer shouldn't be seen as sexist.
A group of women try to kill 47 who responds in kind this truly is equal rights the women are being treated just as though it were a group of men trying to kill him. The only issue is the sexualisation which if you look at it from the name they are called the saints.
Can someone else name an OTT game with characters called "the Saints". At a guess this was some clever dig / reference to Saints row.
Though the rather prominent illuminati esc pyramid with an eye tattoo does bring up some questions.

If the men sent to kill 47 dressed as monks, and stripped off their monk robes to reveal them wearing assless leather chaps (or pleather), vinyl banana hammocks, studded dog collars and/or other sexy fetishwear, you might have a point. As it is, they are dressed that way to titilate men, and presumably the viewer.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

Soo, this trailer caused a shitstorm because "violence against women is bad"?
Not because "Violence is bad", no, since if he had slaughtered a team of professional MALE assassins, no-one would have bat an eye, but seeing as they are female, outrage ensues.
So, saying that this is not okay, because the "victims" (bear in mind, the women are the aggressors here) are female, is incredibly sexist, since it indicates that it would be ok for men to get hurt and or killed.
And man are overly sexualized in games as well, with them being depicted as either hulkng brutes or having a perfect physique.
Blaming this trailer for sexism, because strong, capable assassins, are defeated by a superhuman protagonist, and these assassins happen to be female, is incredibly sexist, not the other way round.
I shall buy this game simply because of this trailer, because I approve of it shedding light on the inherent sexism of our society.

 

[anonymity88]

If this were a trailer for a Saints Row game, and played up for camp, I'll bet most viewers would have loved it.

A sexy nun gang would have been way cooler than the Luchadores.

Aw, what. I totally wish that was in SRTT now! You've ruined the game for me </3

There are sexy nuns in Saints Row 3! There's the mission where you kidnap NyteBlade and some of the De Winters gang are dressed as Latex nun hybrids.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

Some actually view that depiction of those girls as self-empowering (to the characters). It is possible that women can be sexualized without being victimized.

Sure but i don't really get the point of sexualizing them in the first place. To me it felt like it was suppodes to be fanservice for the male audience... which would go against the movies message.

 

[For.I.Am.Mad]

You know, violence aside it was a very well put together trailer. In fact most of these trailers are pretty damn good. Hollywood better watch it's back.

As for the violence and misogyny, I personally felt the trailer was for shock and nothing more. I didn't 'feel' the misogyny if that makes sense. Also, I kind of want to see more from this game so the trailer worked in that regard.

I do question the strategy of the nuns, though.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

If this were a trailer for a Saints Row game, and played up for camp, I'll bet most viewers would have loved it.

A sexy nun gang would have been way cooler than the Luchadores.

Aw, what. I totally wish that was in SRTT now! You've ruined the game for me </3

There are sexy nuns in Saints Row 3! There's the mission where you kidnap NyteBlade and some of the De Winters gang are dressed as Latex nun hybrids.

Ohhh yeeaaah. I forgot about that! I even have that outfit on my character XD

 

[anonymity88]

If this were a trailer for a Saints Row game, and played up for camp, I'll bet most viewers would have loved it.

A sexy nun gang would have been way cooler than the Luchadores.

Aw, what. I totally wish that was in SRTT now! You've ruined the game for me </3

There are sexy nuns in Saints Row 3! There's the mission where you kidnap NyteBlade and some of the De Winters gang are dressed as Latex nun hybrids.

Ohhh yeeaaah. I forgot about that! I even have that outfit on my character XD

Well I'm glad I could revive some love for the game. Haha.

 

[feycreature]

Yeah, there's something...icky about mixing material designed to arouse and graphic violence. If that's your thing, well, there are weirder fetishes out there, but this isn't a niche porn game, it's part of a well-known mainstream series. It's like "Aww yeah, you guys know you're into watching women in sexy little panties and nun habits get beaten up," and I'm going "Uh....what? Not really...is that a thing? No, you know what, don't tell me. I don't want to know."

I don't know if I'm outraged, just kind of creeped out.

 

[ElPatron]

He got stabbed in the neck! Something that would of instantly killed a Nun but he totally wasn't even injured. That's frankly silly. Look at it this way if you put a super powerful person in a game and had them beat up scantly clad women and have the game slow down to show every gory detail as you kill them I'd have a problem with that. The issue isn't who's killing them, rather the fact somebody is brutalizing them in a sexual manner without any consequence. And even still I'd be okay with that if it was for a reason other than just hurr durr look at this sexy violence.

You refuse to separate the two factors. There is sexy nuns, and then there is violence. I re-watched the trailer and there is you're not seeing anything special after the start fights.

Slow-mo. Usually slow mo is used to detail the protagonist, not the opposite.

Gory details. Yeah, a broken nose is severely gory.

Nobody was brutalized in a sexual manner. There is no choking with the thighs, no boobs slapping faces, etc...

Also, a slash is usually different from a stab. I know the difference between the two because both happened to me before. A slash might only cause a minor wound on the skin, and let's not forget that 47 has a lot of muscle on his neck that protect him.

 

[FallenMessiah88]

I wholeheartedly disagree Jim. Sexualization of men are just as prevelant as sexualization of women, look no futher than Twilight. If were going to have this debate, it's going to be on equal terms, not another "save the women, damn the men" diatribe.

 

[Chromanin]

I wholeheartedly disagree Jim. Sexualization of men are just as prevelant as sexualization of women, look no futher than Twilight.

I think this is the third instance in this topic of the accusation of male sexualization being just as rampant as women sexualization, and all anyone has been able to come up with as an example is Twilight.

The hypersexualization of males happens. Yes, Twilight is an example. It is nowhere near as big a problem as the hypersexualization of females. Comparitively speaking, it's not a problem at all. Women have a history of being abused and diminished by being objectified and hypersexualized and have had to fight and win legal battles to have power over their own sexuality. Saying that men carry the same burden is just flat out untrue.

 

[Frission]

I think the problem is not the violence, but the nun outfits. I think actually that some people would be gratified if there was a female character in these games who wasn't there simply to look pretty and be useless. Maybe that's just me.

I'm not the demographic that gets put off by the trailer, but I think the whole point of the video is that some people will be bothered or outright angry and we should understand that.

The whole defense that in comparison to it's not that bad doesn't hold water, neither that it does the same things as in other medium. It's not something to be proud off. Something that happens regularly is not necessarily alright.

That and the fact that it's nothing like a hitman game.

I wholeheartedly disagree Jim. Sexualization of men are just as prevelant as sexualization of women, look no futher than Twilight. If were going to have this debate, it's going to be on equal terms, not another "save the women, damn the men" diatribe.

But here's the thing, Twilight is BAD. REEAAAALLLY BAD. It deserves being kicked in the stomach. Repeatedly.

I don't think that Twilight excuses the outrage or what happened to this video. It's an incredibly weak excuse to say since there's Twilight everything is now allowed.

I also contest the point about female sexualization being as prominent as male sexualization. Is there an equivalent of a male monk taking off his coat showing he's wearing only tight leather pants? When was the last time you saw this?
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[Grahav]

I don't think the producers have thought that we would take the trailer seriously. They must have thought: "Well, it is a fictional world where people are super assassins. Why not having sexy nuns in functional (that should be unfunctional) combat gear just for fun?"

I haven't played the Hitman series. And I agree with people that are against it because it may take the characterization off the series.

But I will not allow myself to live in a world where I can't appreciate animated violence against sexy nuns just because it is sexist. If I am not allowed to enjoy fantasy because of that, yaoi and vampires should be banned too.

 

[Alexnader]

As far as I'm aware most of the outrage isn't from the violence, nor is from the violence against women. It's the way the trailer sexualises said violence against women. You have to admit, slow motion shots of scantily clad women getting the shit kicked out of them does seem a lot like violent erotica.

Now people will read as far into this trailer as they want. Harmless violence or the brutal domination of women presented in a provocative manner? Probably a bit of both really.

Personally the trailer makes me uncomfortable, it just seems unnecessarily fetishistic to me. But I can see why others may have no issue with it or get riled up about it.

I'm aware that the main issue here is the sexualization of the women, and the violence. Nonetheless, I saw plenty a post condemn the violence against women in videogames, which is completely ridiculous, seeing how those lady assassins are professionals, and don't take shit from anybody. My point is that most women are "special" enemies, not your average trooper or soldier. That implies that women can only be effective foes if they're named, or somehow enhanced. There's few games where women fight in the normal ranks; Guild Wars, Mass Effect (to a lesser degree) are the only ones I can name off the top of my head, but there are no doubt more of these.
I might be reading too much into this though.[/quote]

The lack of women in the lower ranks does seem to imply that their presence on the battlefield is something noteworthy and unusual. Half Life had this with the assassins. However I don't see how people could take offense to the often quite accurate idea that women aren't often in front-line roles.

I'd agree that decrying the trailer merely for depicting violence against women is pretty dumb. The sexualisation issue has far more meat to it in my opinion.

 

[Weaver]

I thought people were mad because hitman was never about T&A?