Jimquisition: The Wacky Harassment Blame Parade

[NyxNox]

well people shouldn't harass anyone for anything...i agree with the video and honestly i can't think of why people would go and do stuff like this...not just the lady in question but ANY thing seems to be the subject of debate and vulgar harassment...I mean you can't post or talk about anything with out some nutjob ether bothering you or using you to elevate there platform/ agenda...

Jim has a point and i hate how we as a species have devolved socially into....monster with little apathy to our fellow humans and are always trying to 1up the next guy or gal for power or other pointless reasons...

well....you can't change human nature.

 

[Scootinfroodie]

So which one of those justifies rape threats, death threats, etc?

Nobody ever said that those comments were justified. What IS concerning however is the fact that legitimate criticism was glossed over because of those threats. It would be like if everyone gave Bioware games a perfect score because of the vitriol spewed at Jennifer Hepler

I shouldn't even have t touch the bit about how the comments being closed off only came after the threats, but it seems I'm probably going to have to, so I'll bring it up now as to not surprise you.

You shouldn't bring it up because it isn't true. Anita locked down comments/ratings before the kickstarter
It's also worth noting that many other prominent youtube personalities (many with much larger followings) have also received threats and harassment, yet don't close down all avenues of communication while claiming to want discourse. I think that last bit is the most important part of it, the fact that the lack of proper avenues of communication is being ignored in what is frequently called a discussion/conversation. She's addressed one or two points from her detractors, but they're usually strawmanned pretty hard, and her arguments against them often involve removing context from the issue in question or simply throwing out unfounded assertions.

If she was male, that wouldn't have raised ire, so we wouldn't be having this discussion. But pretend all things are equal appears to be par for the course.

You mean like how those CoD devs received death threats, or how other youtube content creators have received threats that were actually sufficiently egregious in terms of pursuing legal action? I guess that's not ire right?
And lets not get into Cliffy B or Phil Fish or any of the other examples listed in this thread
You`re right about it not warranting a discussion though, especially not this long after the whole thing happened. Phil Fish and Cliffy B who? What Call of Duty patch? What vitriol aimed at Casey Hudson or Gearbox Software? It's been two weeks or more, that stuff's all old now!

 

[LeQuack_Is_Back]

Disappointing. That's all I can really say. Thanks, internet, for continually reinforcing my distrust of your inhabitants.

 

[hazydawn]

A community is judged by the worst shit it tolerates, and as such the gamer community deserves all the scorn it gets.

Please go on then and waste your time trying to lecture trolls on the internet.

That's the point I've seen others make and I wanted to make in response to Jim's video. What are you suggesting then we do about it? Oh, I get it Jim you want people to aknowledge that awful behavior a group of people in the gaming community are displaying. I can agree with that, but saying that she should grow a thicker skin is a valid point and good advice. Because that's what she'll ultimately have to do if she wants to persist in this business without going nuts.
"As if to cover up dogshit with newspaper and not actually clean anything" That's exactly what you archive though, Jim. You might sway a few people's minds with your video but in the end it is a futile endeavor. Just as what you are suggesting we should do. It won't solve anything and it won't make anything better. The only thing you'll accomplish is wasting your time on idiots or pathetic assholes wasting their time set on wasting other people's time.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Trolls want attention; be it reinforcement of their position, anger, disgust...pretty much anything.
So as long as they have the power to harass without fear of reprisal, they're going to do it (and here's the critical part) regardless of how the gaming community "social ecosystem" responds.

Got that? Their only goal in all of this is to piss you off so that you talk about them.
To them, the victim is just a means to an end.

Which means that, yes, the victim needs to filter out feedback, and when people really step over the line and turns it into constant harassment, seek avenues of legal punishment. Sometimes, those avenues won't exist, I admit. But the last thing to do is throw a public fit in some way or another because that is exactly what the trolls want.

I must emphasize, that I hate those people. It's petty, stupid, and quite frankly a colossal waste of time.
But I dare you to find a way of dealing with nameless hordes that doesn't involve destroying the same liberties/privileges those fuckups are abusing.

Welcome one and all to Jims escapist! where this waddling failure of a human being is your lord and master and nobody even begins to care. The fat fuck is handling more and more of the site- proof that when the last of the actually decent "on-site" staff left this place should of been scrapped. Now its turning into the jimmy boy happy wank hour

With examples of posts like yours, it certainly can aspire to be better.
Though not in the way you were implying.

 

[SuperSuperSuperGuy]

I've actually not heard about this specific case until this video. I decided I would look up Depression Quest. This is what the Steam page says:

"Depression Quest is an award-winning interactive fiction game where you play as someone living with depression. You are given a series of everyday life events and have to attempt to manage your illness, relationships, job, and possible treatment. This game aims to show other sufferers of depression that they are not alone in their feelings, and to illustrate to people who may not understand the illness the depths of what it can do to people.

We would like to put it on Steam for free, to help spread awareness and reach out to as many people as possible."

You know what? That sounds pretty good. I should try it sometime. Zoe Quinn has my full support. I seriously have no clue what the hell people are thinking. Oh, I know what they're saying, but I can't even fathom the thoughts and feelings behind it. Knowing that a woman made this game does not change my opinion on how it sounds. I mean, why would it? I actually don't know.

Also, about Hyrule Warriors: people are complaining about that, too? It looks AMAZING! I've never had the chance to try hack & slash games like Dynasty Warriors, but they always look so dynamic and action-packed and fun. I'm super excited, frankly.

 

[JimB]

I think the Westboro Baptists definitely deserve to be called a church.

Okay.

To the first point, as much as you perhaps don't want to give them credence as a spiritual organization, they are one, and spiritual is not in anyway synonymous with goodness.

No, they are a group of scam artists who stage protests in order to cause fights, claim through legal chicanery that they are the victims of the fights they've causes, and sue their victims as a means of livelihood. The religious aspects are nothing but lies told in order to provoke anger enough in people that they will put themselves into situations in which a claim that the person has assaulted a Westboro Baptist is more credible.

So yes, if they did have their direct social life threatened by these beliefs then it might be effective to stigmatize them. However, this situation almost exclusively lies within the realm of the internet and its anonymity.

This idea seems weirdly compartmentalized to me, as if the things a person reads on a computer screen vanish from memory and identity when the eyes reading them turn away from the screen.

I don't know about everyone else, but I refuse to be shambled by taboos, whether I'm on the Internet or out there. I don't really care about "societal disapproval;" if you can't deal with my opinions, nor can you discuss them and try to create a proper argument, then get off my face. And I bring this same perspective online.

If you genuinely do not care what other members of your community and species think, then it is extremely likely you have some sort of disorder along the lines of sociopathy. If you do not have such a disease, then I think you are overstating your case.

Now, I'm obviously not condoning the use of insults or, in general, any kind of ad hominem, but it is also my opinion that people should grow a thicker skin (both here and out there), because unless there is a big, big change in the Internet, or in humans (or both), "trolls" are here to stay.

So are murderers. That does not mean we should just shrug and accept it instead of striving to prevent and punish their behaviors.

 

[karkashan]

You are correct. Link's Crossbow Training was amazing and that mechanic should have totes made it into a full fledged Zelda game.

 

[NyxNox]

well seeing as one cannot phyical reach thorw the computer and harm people most of the filth just gets ignored. and people who post threats online are really sad as logic deictats that the threatener has no idea were you live and what not.

 

[Fireaxe]

All I'm going to say is this: nobody white-knighted like this for Phil Fish, and Phil Fish actually made something worth a fuck.

 

[Aardvaarkman]

The religious aspects are nothing but lies told in order to provoke anger enough in people that they will put themselves into situations in which a claim that the person has assaulted a Westboro Baptist is more credible.

Right - but how is that different than any other religion? The whole idea of religion is to tell fictitious tales in order to bolster support and funding for the religious organization. Can you name any church that doesn't lie to its followers?

 

[Baresark]

It's a ridiculous thing, what is happening to this girl. Anyone who participates in such horrid things should get the shit kicked out of them.

Calling for those you don't like to be beaten makes you as bad as these people if not worse.

If you say so. First, no one is going to do that because only they know who they are. Second, no one seems interested in turning the other cheek, only ragging on each other and pointing fingers for the fact that nothing can be done. The fact is, if I had a friend who was threatened I would beat the shit out of those that are threatening them for that without hesitation. In real world terms, it's not remotely the same thing as what they are doing. People who cannot defend themselves should be defended. And who is going to do it if they are not able to defend themselves? The answer is, whoever is capable of it. Which brings me back to my original question, how does one defend someone else against words on the internet? Or harassing phone calls? No one can, it's terrible. And me thinking thinking these asshats need a bit of their own medicine, so they can feel the helplessness and fear that she probably experiences when this happens, is not the same thing as hating someone for a game about depression. Or hating someone for being a woman.