Jimquisition: When The Starscreams Kill Used Games

[thisbymaster]

Well, they are acting like a starving dog in a room full of sheep and a farmer. The dog is the publishers the farmer is the gamers and the sheep are rentals/pirates/used games. The Dog will eat all the sheep until there isn't any left. But it will turn on the farmer before it turns on itself.

 

[Frostbite3789]

You like and respect Ben Kuchara? I haven't done either of those things in awhile. Once he started his own news deal, he lost his filter and has been talking out his ass ever since.

 

[Slash2x]

I worked at a Best Buy we made 4 cents for every Xbox 360 sold..... Most game sales are not much better. No retailer makes more on the sale of games or systems that are new.....

 

[CK76]

I can't even remember the last game I rented...

Mine was Tomb Raider (2013) last week. Liked it so much I bought it after returning it. I rent dozen or so games every year. How I make decision on many purchases. I would argue renting and/or borrowing games has made me spend significantly more than I would otherwise. I do not like taking a shot in the dark on games given the cost involved.

 

[QUINTIX]

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anyone who wishes to read your post in full can click your name in the quote; it links to the post quoted

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>You took one of my lines out of its original context so you could twist it into a meaningless statement that didn't even resemble my original core argument

You are offering no substantiation to such a claim; you are simply repeating yourself
again, if there is any truth to that assertion (protip: there is not), the evidence (or lack thereof) is right there for all to see
You really should brush up on your informal fallacies

 

[N_Silva]

Does anyone know the name of that fantasy game near the end of the video? Could you PM the title name to me please?

Thanks

 

[Lilani]

I don't know about services like Origin, but most of the PC games that I've seen either retail at £30, or £35, which in dollars is at least $7 off of $60. I thought games on PC (probably just Steam at that) were notorious for always being £10 less than retail console games?

Any major multi-platform title (which is most AAA releases these days) will cost the same on every platform, 9 times out of 10. If a new game is $60 on PS3 and is getting a PC release, then it'll be $60 on PC as well. Doesn't matter if you're buying a physical disc or digitally, it'll cost $60 at launch. I won't say it's never happened, but I've never seen a AAA game cost less at launch when bought digitally than when bought physically.

 

[Ariyura]

Jim is right, stores make very little profit from sales of New games, consoles, even computers. Why do you think they try so hard to jam services down your throat. That's where they make the money up at. Warranties, installations, router setups, exclusive memberships to their own personal clubs... and the list goes on and on. The store gets a 100 percent of profits of their own service.

 

[gamegod25]

Since Gamestop seems to already be on the boat with this plan I'm guessing they must get some other form of reimbursement otherwise I doubt they could still make a decent profit this way.

I'm not sure they have much of a choice in the matter actually, given how it's being pitched to date.

It's either risk losing ALL of the Microsoft customer base by not stocking their products (and thus lose ANY money they might've made), or accept Microsoft's proposal and thus take only a minimal cut of sales. It's a choice between making no money and making *some* money.

So I suspect Gamestop is "on board" but isn't exactly thrilled with the prospect, and will be much happier to sell the PS4 or Wii U to its customers so it can make some real money. This is something that may end up biting the Xbone in the ass, Gamestop is a big retailer nowadays and attacking their wallet doesn't sound like a good way to earn their trust.

Perhaps your right, still it's not likely to endear them to Gamestop. Most likely they will "offer" to buy and sell used Xbox games but they will push PS4 and Wii U a whole lot harder so they can still make a profit.

Regardless of the used games and no BC, there are so many other things that just turn me off about the new Xbox. Which is sad because I was really looking forward to it and hoping it would be awesome.

 

[Antari]

The problem with these publishers is even when all the monsters have been slain. They will still not be able to admit they themselves are the problem.

 

[JaymesFogarty]

I don't know about services like Origin, but most of the PC games that I've seen either retail at £30, or £35, which in dollars is at least $7 off of $60. I thought games on PC (probably just Steam at that) were notorious for always being £10 less than retail console games?

Any major multi-platform title (which is most AAA releases these days) will cost the same on every platform, 9 times out of 10. If a new game is $60 on PS3 and is getting a PC release, then it'll be $60 on PC as well. Doesn't matter if you're buying a physical disc or digitally, it'll cost $60 at launch. I won't say it's never happened, but I've never seen a AAA game cost less at launch when bought digitally than when bought physically.

You may be right. I definitely remember purchasing Far Cry 3 and Assassin's Creed 3 for £30 at launch, with Dark Souls (limited PC edition) being only £25 at launch, but they were all physical copies, that came with download discs. There, you have the disadvantages of console retail games (cost of transit, printing and packaging), but they're still cheaper. Stranger still, games like Dead Space 3 retail on Origin for £40 even months after release. It's probably easier just to say that it's the luck of the draw - sometimes with PC games you win on price, sometimes you lose.

 

[QUINTIX]

...twist it into a meaningless statement...apparently for no other reason than to draw attention to yourself.

Looking at your profile, you seem to apparently have a history of presumption.

Updated my prior post [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/6.409004.17109070]: since you are quite happy accusing me in public of being a word-twisting attention whore (inb4 "did not say whore"), I will openly assert that you are far more interested in retconing/recasting recharacterizing {your own} black-and-white clear-as-crystal text (and yes, context) in hopes of saving face [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h2lvhzMDc] and in smearing others personally for your imagined moral superiority than having an actual conversation. However for the faintest hope I will still give one last try.

Since addressing you in private did not alleviate much, let me explain here:
Unlike a conversation in person, neither I nor you are repeating what we said in our own words to make sure we understand. I can, and do, quote you directly. This is a text forum with discussions between complete strangers, not a joining of acquaintances in what may be a public setting where others might ease drop and get the wrong idea. I quote directly not just to show what parts I'm addressing directly, but also for the benefits of others: so there is no need to "just take five minutes" for what will not take five minutes; but again, the option is available to review.

>Well, now you have my attention. Now, do you actually have something to contribute to this discussion.
You seemed to have missed something [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124323-Update-Xbox-One-To-Take-Cut-With-Every-Pre-Owned-Sale]:

The source revealed that game retailers will be forced to sell second hand games at just a 10% discount on the original RRP. This news will come as a shock to consumers who are currently used to purchasing trade-in games at up to 50% of the retail value.

If it only applies to a few months immediately after launch, so some kid with too much time on his hands can not blow through a game in a few days and return it as if it where a glorified rental, I see no problem with it.

P.S. again, you really ought to brush up on informal fallacies, particularly those of relevance

 

[ender1986]

Far more convincing argument...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G_f8YBy39M#!

 

[QUINTIX]

is very, very easily confused

I offer evidence that I did in fact take the time to look through the conversation e.g. a whole lot more than "some reading" (and again, found no evidence of the alleged twisted meaning/context bending of your words), and you are blind to it

Here you go:

...suggests that it's cutting Gamestop out of the picture almost entirely, leaving them with a relatively minimal cut (if anything).

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124323-Update-Xbox-One-To-Take-Cut-With-Every-Pre-Owned-Sale

Gamestop making smaller discounts (edit:where the %10 figure came from, because guess what: I _did_ read whole the article, and the article the Escapist cited) and Gamestop getting a "minimal cut" (yes, initially discussed by the article, and was corrected, hence the _update_) are two very, very different things (no not necessarily mutually exclusive, but again, given the same %10 figure it is much more likely misinterpretation as of MS communication fails). But let me guess, pointing that out is somehow out of context/twisting too, and I need to cite some odd interpretation of the conversation on used car analogies to show I truly understand.

>claiming that my article was outdated information
You even seem to have me confused with someone else (namely, Nimzabaat [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/6.409004.17106623])
Barely substantiated conjecture (stated as outright fact) ≠ outdated information

you seemed to miss a key pronoun too, so I added it again, in bold no less...
Still, how on earth did you conclude that I said Microsoft was clear?

edit: I'll admit there are times when the entire conversation/original thesis is relevant
this is not one of those times; your words are clear on their own, context or no

further edit: you claim I was (apparently) in this for attention, among other things
( I'm in this as an insomnia relief ;-p ), so the ship was already sailing in that direction; illustrating absurdity by being absurd and all (though I did back em up, along with _how_ you are very, very confused ("how on earth");

further edit: Please, do explain _how_ your words are absolutely inseparable from their context, in _what way_ I've twisted them, before you claim your own victory dance; sorry you took this so personally

 

[WhatsOnTap]

I hope Jim debates total biscuit on this.....

 

[ender1986]

I hope Jim debates total biscuit on this.....

Biscuit has a much more convincing argument that's not padded by "Hey look at the cool clothes I'm wearing and now I'm talking in a different voice trying to be funny".