Jimquisition: Why PC Gaming Gets Away With It

[EXos]

What strawman arguments?

What arguments? The cost & the stability.

The stability I should have expected from a mac fanatic.
But yes windows isn't perfect but neither is apple os.
I've worked in the movie industries where they used macs for editing and I have witnessed several attempts to restart a crashed... Sorry "locked up"... mac with a hammer because it died and deleted 5 hours of work. Oh the cursing that editors can do. XD

The cost. That has been debunked so many times in this thread it's a disgrace that you can't come up with something better.

See good a argument against PC gaming is knowledge of hardware. When buying a PC you need to know a bit about the current state of technology.
Does this mean console users(peasants! ) are dumb. No! It takes a fondness and interest in the technology to be able to build your own PC (which is cheapest).
That is what is great about consoles just buy the thing and a game. A little bit of time for the set up but after that it's ready for gaming.

Also Maintenance. PC's need a bit of looking after especially when you use them a lot. A bit of defrag here, some register cleaning etc etc.

See that Machine? That is how you argue against PC gaming.

I don't like PC gaming, nor the people who do it.

It doesn't matter what the brand is as long as it isn't fucking Windows.

That is a lot of hate you carry around.

I don't mind someone arguing their Xbox 360 is the best thing since cheetos; as long as he/she/it has some proper arguments and not some BS that is spewed by every fanboy from both sides!

So you prefer a mac? So why did you have to add all the other ravings around that?

 

[Machine Man 1992]

So you prefer a mac? So why did you have to add all the other ravings around that?

I prefer it because the alternative is no computer, and that simply won't do.

PC's cost me more in the long run, require persistant maintenance, and I hear that the best ones are assembled piecemeal. That means spending more money and doing lots of research to make sure all the parts talk to each other.

Then to actually pay the game, I have to jump through a bunch of hoops, register, and sign on with who knows how many different services, download a patch to fix an inevitable problem, etc. My experience with PC gaming has not been a nice one. A console, I just put in a game and play, maybe download a patch that's provided automatically. I own a Xbox 360, a PS3 and a PS2 of all things, with ample games for all. I just don't see a benefit to going PC.

As for the ravings... You try coming up with logical arguments after two shots of sambuca, two shots of Bailey's, and a shot cheap cherry vodka.

That, and it's funny watching Ultratwinkie try and argue with someone who has completely stopped giving a shit and is now just fucking with him.

 

[EXos]

I prefer it because the alternative is no computer, and that simply won't do.

That's a fair enough point.

PC's cost me more in the long run, require persistant maintenance, and I hear that the best ones are assembled piecemeal. That means spending more money and doing lots of research to make sure all the parts talk to each other.

They cost a bit more time but you don't have to spent money on research. There are several sites that have best buy guides where you can pick up a basic system in ranges from $250 al the way up to $1500.
Also I haven't heard parts not talking to each other hasn't been a problem for years. Though you have to make sure you get the proper sockets AM3+ PCI-Express etc. etc.
As for updating you can swap around parts fairly easy. And the amount of money you save on the games you can put back into the machine once a year.
Cause as Jim said in the video if you wait for a Sale on either Steam, GoG or Amazon you can buy a ton of games very cheaply, even AAA titles.

Then to actually pay the game, I have to jump through a bunch of hoops, register, and sign on with who knows how many different services, download a patch to fix an inevitable problem, etc. My experience with PC gaming has not been a nice one. A console, I just put in a game and play, maybe download a patch that's provided automatically. I own a Xbox 360, a PS3 and a PS2 of all things, with ample games for all. I just don't see a benefit to going PC.

The way you experience it with consoles is the same way I experience it on the PC. I pop in the disc install it download a patch (maybe) and play. About services there are only three services on PC that you actually need to sign up for before you can play. Origin, Uplay and of course Steam.

As for the ravings... You try coming up with logical arguments after two shots of sambuca, two shots of Bailey's, and a shot cheap cherry vodka.

Don't reply drunk then.

That, and it's funny watching Ultratwinkie try and argue with someone who has completely stopped giving a shit and is now just fucking with him.

Well you started swearing first so within standard debating rules you lost. Though you haven't made any ad hominem.

 

[Machine Man 1992]

I prefer it because the alternative is no computer, and that simply won't do.

That's a fair enough point.

PC's cost me more in the long run, require persistant maintenance, and I hear that the best ones are assembled piecemeal. That means spending more money and doing lots of research to make sure all the parts talk to each other.

They cost a bit more time but you don't have to spent money on research. There are several sites that have best buy guides where you can pick up a basic system in ranges from $250 al the way up to $1500.
Also I haven't heard parts not talking to each other hasn't been a problem for years. Though you have to make sure you get the proper sockets AM3+ PCI-Express etc. etc.
As for updating you can swap around parts fairly easy. And the amount of money you save on the games you can put back into the machine once a year.
Cause as Jim said in the video if you wait for a Sale on either Steam, GoG or Amazon you can buy a ton of games very cheaply, even AAA titles.

Then to actually pay the game, I have to jump through a bunch of hoops, register, and sign on with who knows how many different services, download a patch to fix an inevitable problem, etc. My experience with PC gaming has not been a nice one. A console, I just put in a game and play, maybe download a patch that's provided automatically. I own a Xbox 360, a PS3 and a PS2 of all things, with ample games for all. I just don't see a benefit to going PC.

The way you experience it with consoles is the same way I experience it on the PC. I pop in the disc install it download a patch (maybe) and play. About services there are only three services on PC that you actually need to sign up for before you can play. Origin, Uplay and of course Steam.

As for the ravings... You try coming up with logical arguments after two shots of sambuca, two shots of Bailey's, and a shot cheap cherry vodka.

Don't reply drunk then.

That, and it's funny watching Ultratwinkie try and argue with someone who has completely stopped giving a shit and is now just fucking with him.

Well you started swearing first so within standard debating rules you lost. Though you haven't made any ad hominem.

Actually, the debate was over and done with by the time Ultratinkle butted in.

 

[EXos]

Actually, the debate was over and done with by the time Ultratinkle butted in.

No it wasn't you ended with (see quote) before Ultratwinkie began. Shame for the Ad Hominem you were doing so well...

Honestly? Switching to consoles was my dad's idea. He's the IT person of the household, and he thinks the universal system requirements are what makes consoles "better".

Granted that was back in the PS2 era, but still.

That was 13 years ago when consoles were still practical, before they needed a internet connection to get the proper firmware updates before you can run a game.

 

[Machine Man 1992]

Actually, the debate was over and done with by the time Ultratinkle butted in.

No it wasn't you ended with (see quote) before Ultratwinkie began. Shame for the Ad Hominem you were doing so well...

Honestly? Switching to consoles was my dad's idea. He's the IT person of the household, and he thinks the universal system requirements are what makes consoles "better".

Granted that was back in the PS2 era, but still.

That was 13 years ago when consoles were still practical, before they needed a internet connection to get the proper firmware updates before you can run a game.

Misspellings don't count, and it wasn't within the context of the argument. So, I'm still gonna call that a moral victory, I guess.

Was it really thirteen years ago? I feel old now, thanks!

 

[evilneko]

So, basically, "PC is an open platform that needs the added security. Consoles are closed platforms that do not deserve any more security."

I'm still mad that retail PC games just come with Steam codes now. I remember being able to install... hell. Even Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once, and now everything is bolted to a single account instead. Fair enough, I guess, there's a demand for Steampowered games, but... yeah. I'm still annoyed about that.

I guess people like me installing Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once are sort of what justified that. Again, the openness of the PC platform dictates that gates have to be closed somewhere. The fact that you can just literally copy the files of old PC games over with absolutely no hassle at all really does make DRM a necessity, and since it is all circumvented eventually anyway, it makes making that DRM appealing in some way to buy into even more of a necessity. Steam's greatest achievement is that it has made people WANT games to use Steam; it has made people WANT a DRM-flavoured copy of their games. Huh.

I guess you're lucky that you didn't get modwrath for your admission of piracy there...

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

So, basically, "PC is an open platform that needs the added security. Consoles are closed platforms that do not deserve any more security."

I'm still mad that retail PC games just come with Steam codes now. I remember being able to install... hell. Even Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once, and now everything is bolted to a single account instead. Fair enough, I guess, there's a demand for Steampowered games, but... yeah. I'm still annoyed about that.

I guess people like me installing Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once are sort of what justified that. Again, the openness of the PC platform dictates that gates have to be closed somewhere. The fact that you can just literally copy the files of old PC games over with absolutely no hassle at all really does make DRM a necessity, and since it is all circumvented eventually anyway, it makes making that DRM appealing in some way to buy into even more of a necessity. Steam's greatest achievement is that it has made people WANT games to use Steam; it has made people WANT a DRM-flavoured copy of their games. Huh.

I guess you're lucky that you didn't get modwrath for your admission of piracy there...

Not that I'd deny that I did pirate games once upon a time (no longer), and that modwrath is actually faced not for mere admission of piracy but for the appraisal or encouragement of piracy, but, um... where? When I said I lent my friends a copy of my game? That's not piracy...?

 

[evilneko]

So, basically, "PC is an open platform that needs the added security. Consoles are closed platforms that do not deserve any more security."

I'm still mad that retail PC games just come with Steam codes now. I remember being able to install... hell. Even Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once, and now everything is bolted to a single account instead. Fair enough, I guess, there's a demand for Steampowered games, but... yeah. I'm still annoyed about that.

I guess people like me installing Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once are sort of what justified that.

I guess you're lucky that you didn't get modwrath for your admission of piracy there...

Not that I'd deny that I did pirate games once upon a time (no longer), and that modwrath is actually faced not for mere admission of piracy but for the appraisal or encouragement of piracy, but, um... where? When I said I lent my friends a copy of my game? That's not piracy...?

Right there, where I bolded. You're giving copies of a game you don't own copyright to to multiple other people. That's copyright infringement, also known as piracy, albeit on a very small scale.

And with FO3, you could've all been playing these copies at once.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

So, basically, "PC is an open platform that needs the added security. Consoles are closed platforms that do not deserve any more security."

I'm still mad that retail PC games just come with Steam codes now. I remember being able to install... hell. Even Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once, and now everything is bolted to a single account instead. Fair enough, I guess, there's a demand for Steampowered games, but... yeah. I'm still annoyed about that.

I guess people like me installing Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once are sort of what justified that.

I guess you're lucky that you didn't get modwrath for your admission of piracy there...

Not that I'd deny that I did pirate games once upon a time (no longer), and that modwrath is actually faced not for mere admission of piracy but for the appraisal or encouragement of piracy, but, um... where? When I said I lent my friends a copy of my game? That's not piracy...?

Right there, where I bolded. You're giving copies of a game you don't own copyright to to multiple other people. That's copyright infringement, also known as piracy, albeit on a very small scale.

And with FO3, you could've all been playing these copies at once.

I lent them the game, geez. I didn't distribute installs on a USB drive or anything. They probably played it all at once - I actually bought it along my brother for the purpose of playing it both at the same time. I didn't read the EULA though. Presumably it does tell me I'm not allowed to do that.

It is not download piracy though. And like I said, I'm not endorsing it. I didn't like FO3 at all, to the point where I never played it, so I lent it to friends to feel like I got my money's worth. That's it, really.