Jimquisition: Xbox 360 and PS3 Are Just Very Crap PCs

[clippen05]

I give up. The PC elitists here are delusional if they really think they could have bought a PC 7 years ago for less than $1000 that will run Skyrim as good as a 360.

Yes I get it, I can buy a gaming rig that plays everything high quality for 600 dollars.....for the next 2-3 years. Its never going to be cheaper.

There is no superior gaming medium. It's a cycle. The console launches and for awhile it's innovative and high powered, they get old and the constantly updating tech of PC's overtake them, then a new gen of consoles comes out and provides another set of high end features at a low cost for PC's to catch up to and overtake again.

Watch a few years from now all this hubris is going to be replaced with envy at the specs of the next gen. (Wii U doesn't count. Nintendo seems to think they can just stop trying and collect checks. They may be right)

I don't think so considering xbox will be rumored to be using the HD 6670 which is an entry level card for about 75 dollars that can't produce anything near some of the medium class rigs of today. Console Graphics, unless they become upgradable, will never rival PC because even at the start of a new generation as they are based off of weak graphics cards. If the next generation costs $600 dollars at the beginning (The cost of the PS3 at launch) it can be bested by a PC for little more than $200 dollars more. See link

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_2000/

And that PC may come down in price by next year due to the components being surpassed. (And steam sales vs. $60 boxed releases will eventually make up the difference)

 

[The Hungry Samurai]

I give up. The PC elitists here are delusional if they really think they could have bought a PC 7 years ago for less than $1000 that will run Skyrim as good as a 360.

Yes I get it, I can buy a gaming rig that plays everything high quality for 600 dollars.....for the next 2-3 years. Its never going to be cheaper.

There is no superior gaming medium. It's a cycle. The console launches and for awhile it's innovative and high powered, they get old and the constantly updating tech of PC's overtake them, then a new gen of consoles comes out and provides another set of high end features at a low cost for PC's to catch up to and overtake again.

Watch a few years from now all this hubris is going to be replaced with envy at the specs of the next gen. (Wii U doesn't count. Nintendo seems to think they can just stop trying and collect checks. They may be right)

I don't think so considering xbox will be rumored to be using the HD 6670 which is an entry level card for about 75 dollars that can't produce anything near some of the medium class rigs of today. Console Graphics, unless they become upgradable, will never rival PC because even at the start of a new generation as they are based off of weak graphics cards. If the next generation costs $600 dollars at the beginning (The cost of the PS3 at launch) it can be bested by a PC for little more than $200 dollars more. See link

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_2000/

And that PC may come down in price by next year due to the components being surpassed. (And steam sales vs. $60 boxed releases will eventually make up the difference)

The key word here is rumored. Even if the next console isn't graphically amazing, there are still many other places that it can innovate that PC's can't.

For example, think about what consoles can do with controllers. Things like the Wii controller and even subtle things such as the Six Axis motion control or vibration in controllers would have never came to gaming, because developers will never find making games utilizing these features profitable, without those features being standard.

If the Next gen of consoles takes things like the Kinects motion controls and touchscreen technology and makes them standard input methods, it will open up a whole new set of experiences for casual and hardcore gamer alike, and that's something the hyper customizable PC gaming world just can't make happen.

Until about two months later when they take the tech, hack it and mod it into their PC's

Stop trying to say PC or console gaming is superior and just accept their symbiotic nature and get over it.

 

[clippen05]

I give up. The PC elitists here are delusional if they really think they could have bought a PC 7 years ago for less than $1000 that will run Skyrim as good as a 360.

Yes I get it, I can buy a gaming rig that plays everything high quality for 600 dollars.....for the next 2-3 years. Its never going to be cheaper.

There is no superior gaming medium. It's a cycle. The console launches and for awhile it's innovative and high powered, they get old and the constantly updating tech of PC's overtake them, then a new gen of consoles comes out and provides another set of high end features at a low cost for PC's to catch up to and overtake again.

Watch a few years from now all this hubris is going to be replaced with envy at the specs of the next gen. (Wii U doesn't count. Nintendo seems to think they can just stop trying and collect checks. They may be right)

I don't think so considering xbox will be rumored to be using the HD 6670 which is an entry level card for about 75 dollars that can't produce anything near some of the medium class rigs of today. Console Graphics, unless they become upgradable, will never rival PC because even at the start of a new generation as they are based off of weak graphics cards. If the next generation costs $600 dollars at the beginning (The cost of the PS3 at launch) it can be bested by a PC for little more than $200 dollars more. See link

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_2000/

And that PC may come down in price by next year due to the components being surpassed. (And steam sales vs. $60 boxed releases will eventually make up the difference)

The key word here is rumored. Even if the next console isn't graphically amazing, there are still many other places that it can innovate that PC's can't.

For example, think about what consoles can do with controllers. Things like the Wii controller and even subtle things such as the Six Axis motion control or vibration in controllers would have never came to gaming, because developers will never find making games utilizing these features profitable, without those features being standard.

If the Next gen of consoles takes things like the Kinects motion controls and touchscreen technology and makes them standard input methods, it will open up a whole new set of experiences for casual and hardcore gamer alike, and that's something the hyper customizable PC gaming world just can't make happen.

Until about two months later when they take the tech, hack it and mod it into their PC's

Stop trying to say PC or console gaming is superior and just accept their symbiotic nature and get over it.

Oh wait, the same stuff is developed for PC without need for console investment

http://live.leapmotion.com/about/

Touchscreen technology... Windows 8

If anything, console gaming is a parasite, not a symbiotic relationship as developers will make their games graphics for the lowest common denominator: Consoles, and then port it to PC; we get worse things because of consoles outdatedness.

 

[Phoenixlight]

Dawn of war 2 easily runs on a single core CPU. Today you can run ANY game on the market with a 2.4GHZ dual core CPU.

I've tried it before and it wouldn't even run and after looking into it I found that single core CPU's are not supported so no it can't easily run on a piece of shit CPU. Just like other modern games (BF3 for example) single core CPUs won't do. Also you won't be able to run a lot of games very well if at all on crappy dual core CPUs.

 

[Static Jak]

I don't have to spend a thousand dollars to buy a gaming rig that's going to be obsolete in a year

Ugh...does anyone actually believe this crap? Even when told countless times and even shown that it isn't true, people still spread this bull.

Yes. It is true. I've seen it.

No it isn't, you're just spreading crap.
If you were ever an actual PC gamer you'd know full well a PC, especially one as overpriced as over a thousand dollars, would not be outdated in a year. It's beyond ignorant to ever believe something like that.

Like I said, just another stereotype just like how we had the whole RROD exaggeration, PS3 has no games and so on.

Btw, I'm a console gamer too. Gamertag is Static Jak, PSN is Static-Jakz and Steam is Static Jak. Along with a Wii, DS and have been gaming on consoles as far back as the NES.
I'm just a gamer who happens to enjoy all platforms and would rather nonsense about any platform not be spread around like it's the truth.

 

[CarlMin]

I think that the next generation of consoles might just be the last generation of real gaming consoles. The sorta casual (relatively) console gaming market is going to bleed into the tablet, media-orientated style of consuming games and media. It seems like Microsoft is already going for this sorta family, media box approach with their next console.


I can imagine in a nearby feature, most gamers will just carry a powerful tablet with most of their games on it, get home, plug it into their full HD TV and play using the tablet as a controller.


I don't think PC gaming is going to be affected by this trend though, because the PC community consists of people who want to be able to tune, upgrade and customize their hardware to reach this sorta enthusiast, perfect gaming experience, and the tablet industry is not going to interest them when it comes to hardcore gaming.

No, the tablet gaming trend is going to speak to the people that today owns a Xbox, PS3 or a Wii. The kind of gamer that just wants a cheap, easy to play alternative.

 

[The Hungry Samurai]

I give up. The PC elitists here are delusional if they really think they could have bought a PC 7 years ago for less than $1000 that will run Skyrim as good as a 360.

Yes I get it, I can buy a gaming rig that plays everything high quality for 600 dollars.....for the next 2-3 years. Its never going to be cheaper.

There is no superior gaming medium. It's a cycle. The console launches and for awhile it's innovative and high powered, they get old and the constantly updating tech of PC's overtake them, then a new gen of consoles comes out and provides another set of high end features at a low cost for PC's to catch up to and overtake again.

Watch a few years from now all this hubris is going to be replaced with envy at the specs of the next gen. (Wii U doesn't count. Nintendo seems to think they can just stop trying and collect checks. They may be right)

I don't think so considering xbox will be rumored to be using the HD 6670 which is an entry level card for about 75 dollars that can't produce anything near some of the medium class rigs of today. Console Graphics, unless they become upgradable, will never rival PC because even at the start of a new generation as they are based off of weak graphics cards. If the next generation costs $600 dollars at the beginning (The cost of the PS3 at launch) it can be bested by a PC for little more than $200 dollars more. See link

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_2000/

And that PC may come down in price by next year due to the components being surpassed. (And steam sales vs. $60 boxed releases will eventually make up the difference)

The key word here is rumored. Even if the next console isn't graphically amazing, there are still many other places that it can innovate that PC's can't.

For example, think about what consoles can do with controllers. Things like the Wii controller and even subtle things such as the Six Axis motion control or vibration in controllers would have never came to gaming, because developers will never find making games utilizing these features profitable, without those features being standard.

If the Next gen of consoles takes things like the Kinects motion controls and touchscreen technology and makes them standard input methods, it will open up a whole new set of experiences for casual and hardcore gamer alike, and that's something the hyper customizable PC gaming world just can't make happen.

Until about two months later when they take the tech, hack it and mod it into their PC's

Stop trying to say PC or console gaming is superior and just accept their symbiotic nature and get over it.

Oh wait, the same stuff is developed for PC without need for console investment

http://live.leapmotion.com/about/

Touchscreen technology... Windows 8

If anything, console gaming is a parasite, not a symbiotic relationship as developers will make their games graphics for the lowest common denominator: Consoles, and then port it to PC; we get worse things because of consoles outdatedness.

The examples you provide only prove my point. No one would take something like touchscreens or motion controls seriously until they were put in an environment where users were forced to use them and developers were forced to make games for them, namely the Ninendo DS and WIi. Consoles make these things acceptable and popular innovations, and THEN PC developers start to put out ample amounts of software to make owning this tech worh it on other devices.

Yes PC's are superior graphically. For the thousandth time I get that. Honestly though I have 20/20 vision 1080 HD TV and I really can't tell much more of a difference at this point. Consoles are great, PC's are better but unless theyre coming out of the TV and firing live ammo all over my living room, I really don't give a crap if you have a few more digital blades of grass on your PC screen.

 

[Kathinka]

I give up. The PC elitists here are delusional if they really think they could have bought a PC 7 years ago for less than $1000 that will run Skyrim as good as a 360.

Yes I get it, I can buy a gaming rig that plays everything high quality for 600 dollars.....for the next 2-3 years. Its never going to be cheaper.

There is no superior gaming medium. It's a cycle. The console launches and for awhile it's innovative and high powered, they get old and the constantly updating tech of PC's overtake them, then a new gen of consoles comes out and provides another set of high end features at a low cost for PC's to catch up to and overtake again.

Watch a few years from now all this hubris is going to be replaced with envy at the specs of the next gen. (Wii U doesn't count. Nintendo seems to think they can just stop trying and collect checks. They may be right)

I don't think so considering xbox will be rumored to be using the HD 6670 which is an entry level card for about 75 dollars that can't produce anything near some of the medium class rigs of today. Console Graphics, unless they become upgradable, will never rival PC because even at the start of a new generation as they are based off of weak graphics cards. If the next generation costs $600 dollars at the beginning (The cost of the PS3 at launch) it can be bested by a PC for little more than $200 dollars more. See link

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_2000/

And that PC may come down in price by next year due to the components being surpassed. (And steam sales vs. $60 boxed releases will eventually make up the difference)

The key word here is rumored. Even if the next console isn't graphically amazing, there are still many other places that it can innovate that PC's can't.

For example, think about what consoles can do with controllers. Things like the Wii controller and even subtle things such as the Six Axis motion control or vibration in controllers would have never came to gaming, because developers will never find making games utilizing these features profitable, without those features being standard.

If the Next gen of consoles takes things like the Kinects motion controls and touchscreen technology and makes them standard input methods, it will open up a whole new set of experiences for casual and hardcore gamer alike, and that's something the hyper customizable PC gaming world just can't make happen.

Until about two months later when they take the tech, hack it and mod it into their PC's

Stop trying to say PC or console gaming is superior and just accept their symbiotic nature and get over it.

Oh wait, the same stuff is developed for PC without need for console investment

http://live.leapmotion.com/about/

Touchscreen technology... Windows 8

If anything, console gaming is a parasite, not a symbiotic relationship as developers will make their games graphics for the lowest common denominator: Consoles, and then port it to PC; we get worse things because of consoles outdatedness.

The examples you provide only prove my point. No one would take something like touchscreens or motion controls seriously until they were put in an environment where users were forced to use them and developers were forced to make games for them, namely the Ninendo DS and WIi. Consoles make these things acceptable and popular innovations, and THEN PC developers start to put out ample amounts of software to make owning this tech worh it on other devices.

Yes PC's are superior graphically. For the thousandth time I get that. Honestly though I have 20/20 vision 1080 HD TV and I really can't tell much more of a difference at this point. Consoles are great, PC's are better but unless theyre coming out of the TV and firing live ammo all over my living room, I really don't give a crap if you have a few more digital blades of grass on your PC screen.

it's not just graphics though. gameplay and content for games are castrated left and right to make things run somehow on consoles. like the insane destructrion and the good netcode that were both taken out of bf3 in order to make it runnable on consoles.

 

[Machine Man 1992]

If there's one thing I hate more that humanity itself, it the PC elitist douchnozzels who feel the need to trumpet their imagined superiority over everyone else.

PCs were in a rut until game consoles started inheriting all the worst aspects of PC gaming: install times, zero hour patches, etc.

I used to be a PC gamer, playing such classics as Starlancer and Tachyon: The Fringe on the old junker of a rig my father gave to us youngins'. And you know what? I never want to go back to those days.

Do you want to know why? Two words: System Requirements. With consoles, I know for a fact that if I pop a game into that slot, it's going to work. Every. Time.

I don't have to spend a thousand dollars to buy a gaming rig that's going to be obsolete in a year, I don't have to fuck around with the settings just to get the damn thing to work, I don't have to worry about the game suddenly not working because of some bullshit copy protection, and I can rent any game I want through GameFly, which has saved me untold amounst of cash.

Can you explain to me how you believe PC was in a rut... it doesn't make any sense to me considering how we've had steady graphical improvement solid exclusives and the Steam come since this console generation began

There was this time a while back, around 2005-2006 I think, where having a PC just seemed like more trouble than it's worth.

Maybe it was because console games got more heavily advertised, or publishers believed that the PC was a dead-end platform, or the DRM was at its obnoxiousness critical mass, but whatever the case, the PC was struggling.

I can't really blame them; outside of genres that absolutely require the fine motor control a mouse provides, such as the venerable RTS and 4X genres, consoles can do just as well as PC's do on the FPS, 3PS, and hack n' slasher.

 

[Machine Man 1992]

I don't have to spend a thousand dollars to buy a gaming rig that's going to be obsolete in a year

Ugh...does anyone actually believe this crap? Even when told countless times and even shown that it isn't true, people still spread this bull.

Yes. It is true. I've seen it. It's cheaper to stick to consoles. you're the one spreading misinformation.

Captcha: pay the ferryman. My computer wants me dead.

Many people have posted possible builds and specs that prove you wrong, while you provide nothing. While yes, the people purporting $200 gaming PCs lied, the others spoke the truth with facts and you back up your argument with nothing

I don't know how to quote 2 people properly, as I'm relatively new to this forum, but heres specs posted on the same page that prove you wrong
System Specification
- Case: Antec 300 Gaming Case (default choice, options available)
- Power Supply: OCZ ZS 650w PSU
- CPU: AMD Bulldozer FX-4 Quad Core 4100 3.60GHz Processor
- Motherboard: AMD 760G Chipset (AM3+) Motherboard
- RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
- Hard Drives: 1TB HDD
- Graphics Card: AMD 760G Onboard + AMD HD 6850 OC 1GB
- Sound: 7.1 Channel Sound (On-Board)
- Optical Drive: OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black)
- CPU Cooler: Stock AMD Cooler

Or for an extra £97 you can get an AMD HD 6970 OC 2GB card.
Even with that Upgrade its only £683.95 INC VAT (Currently on Special.)

Well under 1000 and it'll play any game out there at 1080P resolution.

Xbox 360 (at the time I bought it): $300
Extra controller: $60
One year of Xbox Live Gold: $60
Saving time, money, and frustration Minmaxing PC parts with word-salad titles and never one having the 360 Red Ring on you: Priceless

Yeah, really not seeing any advantage here.

 

[thebakedpotato]

its big retailers who just want to sell you junk that goes obsolete in a couple of years.

I take offense to this statement.
Most computing equipment SHOULD, by moore's law, be obsolete in a couple of years anyway.

 

[porous_shield]

I don't have to spend a thousand dollars to buy a gaming rig that's going to be obsolete in a year

Ugh...does anyone actually believe this crap? Even when told countless times and even shown that it isn't true, people still spread this bull.

Yes. It is true. I've seen it. It's cheaper to stick to consoles. you're the one spreading misinformation.

Captcha: pay the ferryman. My computer wants me dead.

Many people have posted possible builds and specs that prove you wrong, while you provide nothing. While yes, the people purporting $200 gaming PCs lied, the others spoke the truth with facts and you back up your argument with nothing

I don't know how to quote 2 people properly, as I'm relatively new to this forum, but heres specs posted on the same page that prove you wrong
System Specification
- Case: Antec 300 Gaming Case (default choice, options available)
- Power Supply: OCZ ZS 650w PSU
- CPU: AMD Bulldozer FX-4 Quad Core 4100 3.60GHz Processor
- Motherboard: AMD 760G Chipset (AM3+) Motherboard
- RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
- Hard Drives: 1TB HDD
- Graphics Card: AMD 760G Onboard + AMD HD 6850 OC 1GB
- Sound: 7.1 Channel Sound (On-Board)
- Optical Drive: OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black)
- CPU Cooler: Stock AMD Cooler

Or for an extra £97 you can get an AMD HD 6970 OC 2GB card.
Even with that Upgrade its only £683.95 INC VAT (Currently on Special.)

Well under 1000 and it'll play any game out there at 1080P resolution.

Xbox 360 (at the time I bought it): $300
Extra controller: $60
One year of Xbox Live Gold: $60
Saving time, money, and frustration Minmaxing PC parts with word-salad titles and never one having the 360 Red Ring on you: Priceless

Yeah, really not seeing any advantage here.

This argument is disingenuous. A console can scarcely do anything else besides play games while a computer is a tool that can also play games so of course it's going to be more expensive. Add in a cheap computer to that console so that you can do all the things a computer does and the price is much more even.

Also, why is it only one year of Xbox live added in?

 

[Machine Man 1992]

I don't have to spend a thousand dollars to buy a gaming rig that's going to be obsolete in a year

Ugh...does anyone actually believe this crap? Even when told countless times and even shown that it isn't true, people still spread this bull.

Yes. It is true. I've seen it. It's cheaper to stick to consoles. you're the one spreading misinformation.

Captcha: pay the ferryman. My computer wants me dead.

Many people have posted possible builds and specs that prove you wrong, while you provide nothing. While yes, the people purporting $200 gaming PCs lied, the others spoke the truth with facts and you back up your argument with nothing

I don't know how to quote 2 people properly, as I'm relatively new to this forum, but heres specs posted on the same page that prove you wrong
System Specification
- Case: Antec 300 Gaming Case (default choice, options available)
- Power Supply: OCZ ZS 650w PSU
- CPU: AMD Bulldozer FX-4 Quad Core 4100 3.60GHz Processor
- Motherboard: AMD 760G Chipset (AM3+) Motherboard
- RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
- Hard Drives: 1TB HDD
- Graphics Card: AMD 760G Onboard + AMD HD 6850 OC 1GB
- Sound: 7.1 Channel Sound (On-Board)
- Optical Drive: OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black)
- CPU Cooler: Stock AMD Cooler

Or for an extra £97 you can get an AMD HD 6970 OC 2GB card.
Even with that Upgrade its only £683.95 INC VAT (Currently on Special.)

Well under 1000 and it'll play any game out there at 1080P resolution.

Xbox 360 (at the time I bought it): $300
Extra controller: $60
One year of Xbox Live Gold: $60
Saving time, money, and frustration Minmaxing PC parts with word-salad titles and never one having the 360 Red Ring on you: Priceless

Yeah, really not seeing any advantage here.

This argument is disingenuous. A console can scarcely do anything else besides play games while a computer is a tool that can also play games so of course it's going to be more expensive. Add in a cheap computer to that console so that you can do all the things a computer does and the price is much more even.

Also, why is it only one year of Xbox live added in?

First off, I already have an iMac that I use to surf the net and trade blows on web forums. It would be a colossal waste of time and money to get rid of it in exchange for a slightly better better PC capable of running games that I can already play on my 360.

Second, I don't usually play online because people are assholes and I suck at competitive multiplayer, and buying a year's worth of Live time instead of monthly increments is more convenient and doesn't require a I use a quite hackable credit card.

 

[God of Path]

Well lets compare costs. Since that seems to be the only issue Jim skimped on. XBOX 360 Now = ~$200. Let's ignore controllers, because if you really want them you can buy the exact same thing so you can use a controller on a PC [https://www.google.com/search?q=cheese+pizza&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnse&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=SlwIUN6FPMfu0gHV1ojGAw&ved=0CFMQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=955#hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=pizza+cheese&oq=pizza+cheese&gs_l=img.3..0l10.76761.78885.0.78990.12.10.0.2.2.0.73.599.10.10.0...0.0...1c.E-i6qGaQmQ8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=bea74e04c3ac0e0&biw=1920&bih=955]. Good Gaming PC Quoted = ~$600. 6 years ago (when we bought ours, lol), the cost was $300. I'm going to assume gaming PC stayed the same, even though it didn't. That still means at least a $300 difference between the two. Consoles are still, and as far as I can tell have always been, cheaper. A big factor for those without rich parents, lucrative online shows, or better than shit tier jobs.

 

[Wesley Brannock]

I feel as though this vid was made with his own personal preference rather then all the facts.

 

[yibble2]

Gaming PCs can be cheaper if you throw this into consideration. You can have your console + plus TV and then (as the majority of people do) have a PC, or you can just put it all into one and have a gaming PC. Now I understand that not everyone who has a console has an uber-fantastic PC, but putting into consideration that a Gaming PC is a nice all in one, it makes life a little easier.

I'd much rather pay my £600-750 in getting a gaming PC rather than buying a £200 console + £150+ TV and then a £200+ TV.

As far as I'm concerned, combining the costs produce better results.

Now to get moaned at

 

[GAunderrated]

Well lets compare costs. Since that seems to be the only issue Jim skimped on. XBOX 360 Now = ~$200. Let's ignore controllers, because if you really want them you can buy the exact same thing so you can use a controller on a PC [https://www.google.com/search?q=cheese+pizza&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnse&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=SlwIUN6FPMfu0gHV1ojGAw&ved=0CFMQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=955#hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=pizza+cheese&oq=pizza+cheese&gs_l=img.3..0l10.76761.78885.0.78990.12.10.0.2.2.0.73.599.10.10.0...0.0...1c.E-i6qGaQmQ8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=bea74e04c3ac0e0&biw=1920&bih=955]. Good Gaming PC Quoted = ~$600. 6 years ago (when we bought ours, lol), the cost was $300. I'm going to assume gaming PC stayed the same, even though it didn't. That still means at least a $300 difference between the two. Consoles are still, and as far as I can tell have always been, cheaper. A big factor for those without rich parents, lucrative online shows, or better than shit tier jobs.

I'm still surprised at the level of ignorance people like you have. Yeah consoles are cheaper in the hardware. But software wise you guys get screwed with a rusty spoon. PC gets MASSIVE discounts through steam sales an most AAA games fall between the 5-15 dollar range. It only takes about what 10 games over 6 years for you to drastically pay more? Heck I just got Borderlands 2 on pre-sale for 40 bucks (sale ends today for the 4 pack on steam) while most console games are going to pay 60 bucks plus tax. So off one game you are paying 25 bucks or more just off ONE game.

The point being is short sighted and ignorant people such as yourself is the reason why people still believe consoles are "cheaper". Because companies know how to sucker people like you in with low hardware and then shove overpriced software, services, and other bullcrap that makes you pay way more than a PC rig and games ever would.

Captcha: I like you! Aww thats sweet captcha.

 

[plainlake]

PC gamers care more about graphics and physics than the actual game....these things are not important. Making the graphics better with a mod dont make the game better. The game is what it is, the story etc can not be changed. Each to their own i guess. Just buy the games you love to play and you will be fine.

Eh, Yes, you can dramaticly alter the game. But graphics and physics are also part of the game, it is not a coincidence that games have got mainstream when the graphics got comparable to RL.

Here is an example of Modders doing the work for the developer: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118744-Modders-Restore-Knights-of-the-Old-Republic-II-Content

Have you forgotten aboout Counter-strike? originally a mod, that played nothing like vanilla HL, and paved the way for modern competative multiplayer fps.

All bethesda-games become much more immersive and deep with the right mods. And with steam workshop even console peasants can do it!

But the important thing is that it is free, and prevents bad expensive DLC, because the publisher need to do better than the modders.

 

[antman890]

At least on a console, when I'm in the process of starting up the game; I don't have to worry about some BS clause in the agreement terms for this software that gives them my permission to install disturbingly intrusive malware for collecting data from my PC.

Because of console simplicity; even if Sony was actually getting away with that; there's fuck-all of interest or any kind of dark secrets or browsing activity to be found on my console.

true but heres the difference; sony (or even MS on xbox) wont ask ur permission, you've already agreed when u purchased the console. they'll just take it cos in their eyes ur just using their property, not u owning a product they made.

CITATION NEEDED, or this is conspiracy bullcrap.

look up Uplay.