Jimquisition: Xbox 360 and PS3 Are Just Very Crap PCs

[cyvaris]

That would be the case if the minimum system requirements for Skyrim didn't require a Dual Core 2.0 GHz processor. Unfortunately I'm not to savvy with graphics cards so I really don't have a good idea on how either of those would stack up. Also keep in mind that I was buying for a laptop (I'm sorry, I don't think I mentioned this in my first post) and I was buying it a year ago. The cheapest I could find then that could run it on minimum settings were in the $1200 range.

My system cost me a total of $800, monitor included, it was built two years ago, it runs Skyrim on Ultra at 60fps. Your argument is invalid.

*Sigh* No it isn't. I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said I wasn't able to. This was my first time buying a computer, as I mentioned before it was a laptop. And during the two week period I watched the site, Newegg didn't have ANY Laptops under $1200 that would be able to play it. If I was looking in the wrong places, which I doubt as I've heard people recommend Newegg quite often, then I guess that was my fault. It doesn't change the fact that I wasn't able to find one under that price last year.

That is why you don't buy a laptop for gaming.

 

[Jigero]

That because you where trying to buy a gaming laptop. Never buy pre built computers especially gaming laptops.

And no putting a computer together your self is not hard, If you have enough brains to assemble a lego kit you can assemble a PC.

seriously why does it seem the only people against PC gaming, are the people who absolutely know nothing about PC gaming.

I have to disagree with you on this. Are you implying that if I were to buy all the parts and give them to a non-tech savvy person, they would be able to build it for me? (hint: They actually can't).

The problem with people new to the PC gaming I find, is not the building of the PC, but the wiring of it. Specifically, the power supply wiring is the biggest challenge to new PC builders.

Does your power supply have enough power?
What do you do with the extra wires?
What kind of connector do you have?
Is your power supply a single rail or multi-rail?
Can your single rail power your motherboard and graphics card?
Can your multi-rail?
How much power does your graphic card need?

The above is just some of the problems JUST for the power supply which doesn't even account for the different motherboards for AMD and Intel processors (some people really don't know there is a difference), it does not count for motherboard size in comparison to case size, and most importantly, one can fry an entire system or ruin a motherboard just from the wrong wiring with a power supply (too much power, wrong place, wrong pin etc.)

You get the idea I hope, comparing building a PC to legos is laughable. If you know what you are doing before hand, either research or read, a PC is much better than a console. However, as information in the manuals that come with the parts are sometimes just crap, as was the case for me, a console does not have to worry about any of the above.

If you don't know what type of parts to get there are plenty of guides out there.

I assembled a computer for the first time in December going from just looking at the step by step instructions that came with the mother board, and maybe 3 minutes of google searches when I was slightly confused and I had Zero problems with anything. Heck this computer runs smoother, has less problems then any prebuilt or any customer computer I had some one else make for me.

If you know how to connect A wire to B slot, shit ain't hard, if you can read simple instructions you can put to together a computer.


But go ahead and keep fear mongering your entitled to your crap opinion, it just makes you look silly though.

 

[haydnfan]

I don't know if this has already been said but I prefer consoles to the pc because pc games now require linking with steam or origin so that you can't resell it. I don't do multiplayer and never use the codes so I have no problem reselling a console game for most of what I paid for it. Also you can rent console games, you can't rent pc games.

Those reasons are good enough for me to value console gaming over pc gaming. I used to prefer pc gaming. If the tyranny of steam ended I might like pc gaming again.

 

[votemarvel]

I don't know if this has already been said but I prefer consoles to the pc because pc games now require linking with steam or origin so that you can't resell it. I don't do multiplayer and never use the codes so I have no problem reselling a console game for most of what I paid for it. Also you can rent console games, you can't rent pc games.

To be fair though with publishers looking to put a stop to used games what makes you think this isn't going to be in the next generation of consoles?

It's already partly there this gen with online passes and codes that lock out single player content (such as in RAGE).

So if they are willing to do that, then how long will it be before those codes lock out the entire game unless 'activated.' Then they'll charge you a fee from their respective marketplaces for an unlock code for a used copy.

As the video said, consoles are adopting the worst points of PC gaming. I wouldn't be surprised if 'activation codes' are next.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

Let's see I play on smartphones, consoles, PCs, and handhelds and guess what all of them suck and all of them rock for different reasons. Why is this even a debate, I mean this is just pathetic.

Yes the PS3 and 360 are crap computers, because by definition they are a computer (Hell a Game.Com is a computer).

Are the people who need to argue this feel like they are right and perfect because you really need to get over yourselves. I mean you can tell me why PC gaming is god till you die of exhaustion but I'm just gonna go back to my Console/Handheld, and the same should go for everyone. This stupid divide that people like Jim is wedging even farther apart is childish and pathetic. This is why gaming is going to hit a slump because people feel the need to build this alliances to X system, Y Series, and Z company, pull your head out of your asses and just play games because they are fun damn.

 

[DingoDoom]

If you know how to connect A wire to B slot, shit ain't hard, if you can read simple instructions you can put to together a computer.

But go ahead and keep fear mongering your entitled to your crap opinion, it just makes you look silly though.

Right, it is simple enough that people create guides and youtube videos about putting PC together because it is so easy right? I was disagreeing with your comparison legos and PC building.

Tell you what, go get some PC parts and randomly pick strangers from the streets and ask them to assemble a computer with just the manuals, no outside help, research, or looking at guides. More often then not, a new PC builder will have some trouble with assembling a computer.

I'm not fear mongering, I'm just saying that with a console, a person does not have to worry about building anything, which is the point of a console.

But go ahead and keep your shoving your entitled elitist opinion down anyone, it just makes you look ignorant.

 

[otakon17]

I will edit this post later since I haven't watched the video yet. But I'm a console gamer mostly. Gaming on a keyboard is a pain for me, hurts my hands. Sure, the mouse is way more accurate than a thumbstick, and many games have mods to accept controllers now. But I've already got that convenient option with my 360(my preferred console to be honest, if only for the controller). Plus, I don't have to worry about my PC not being powerful enough to even run a new game. I buy Skyrim for the 360, it will run for the 360 no fiddling with it at all except for a LIVE update. Sure it doesn't run as pretty or smooth but it still WORKS and the core experience is the same. Hell, I feel drawn OUT of a game on PC when I have to use a keyboard, simply because I have to look to see what I'm hitting.

Plus, financially a really good gaming PC is FAR more expensive than either major console nowadays. I feel more comfortable with consoles, sure they have their limitations when compared to a fully decked out gaming PC but hey I take what I can get. The one I have now is a pre-built HP that can JUST run The Witcher...and I mean BARELY on the absolute lowest graphical settings despite the fact I checked and double-checked that it would run right. However, if I buy The Witcher 2 for the 360 it will run and be playable even if it looks rough and it "only" has 30fps.

 

[xshadowscreamx]

the fanboys are assembled......i do like being able to trade games, but they like bleed the money from us with there 10 doller online pass, but thats not with all developers (but it will grow though)...when was the last pc exclusive game..other then ''error 37''... hard reset?

jigero qoute PC's usually has more exclusives then consoles do. PC had almost 3 times the amount of exclusives then the 360 and about as much as the PS3 last year. qoute jigero

yes there is a lot of exclusive point and click mysteries games on the shelf..oh you mean through steam,not everyone can get there hands on digital distribution. im talking about BIG exclusives like MGS,THE LAST OF US,BEYOND TWO SOULS,HEAVY RAIN,HALO 4,SHADOW OF THE COLLOSES/ICO i could go on and on..these are the games that the world takes notice of......however i would like to play amnesia on pc and the walking dead episodes


edit: sorry i kind of f*^&% that up and canceled the quote i was quoting to..which was from jigero

 

[simple64]

If you don't know what type of parts to get there are plenty of guides out there.

I assembled a computer for the first time in December going from just looking at the step by step instructions that came with the mother board, and maybe 3 minutes of google searches when I was slightly confused and I had Zero problems with anything. Heck this computer runs smoother, has less problems then any prebuilt or any customer computer I had some one else make for me.

If you know how to connect A wire to B slot, shit ain't hard, if you can read simple instructions you can put to together a computer.


But go ahead and keep fear mongering your entitled to your crap opinion, it just makes you look silly though.

I do not want to learn all of that. I do not want to read an online guide in order to put together a console to play a freakin' game. I don't see why that is so hard to understand. I could easily get a $200 system, hook it up to my TV, and immediately play. Better yet, I know exactly what I am getting. I don't need a new computer - I have a laptop. I would like something simple, that can play games. I know the experience isn't as good as a PC. No freakin' duh.


I cannot understand how hard it is to get that. PC players constantly wonder where that "elitist" reputation comes from. It's outrageous. If this isn't good enough for you, then too bad. Get the hell over yourselves.

 

[xshadowscreamx]

the fanboys are assembled......i do like being able to trade games, but they like bleed the money from us with there 10 doller online pass, but thats not with all developers (but it will grow though)...when was the last pc exclusive game..other then ''error 37''... hard reset?

jigero qoute PC's usually has more exclusives then consoles do. PC had almost 3 times the amount of exclusives then the 360 and about as much as the PS3 last year. qoute jigero

yes there is a lot of exclusive point and click mysteries games on the shelf..oh you mean through steam,not everyone can get there hands on digital distribution. im talking about BIG exclusives like MGS,THE LAST OF US,BEYOND TWO SOULS,HEAVY RAIN,HALO 4,SHADOW OF THE COLLOSES/ICO i could go on and on..these are the games that the world takes notice of......however i would like to play amnesia on pc and the walking dead episodes


edit: sorry i kind of f*^&% that up and canceled the quote i was quoting to..which was from jigero

What like S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Wings of Prey? Minecraft? Guild Wars 2? TERA? The Secret World? Amnesia the Dark Descent? Tribes: Ascend? The Witcher 2? Starcraft 2? Diablo 3? Mods to like everything (Skyrim, Fallout 3, Surf mode in Counterstrike etc.) plus indie titles and a ridiculous back catalog that is legally accessible via gog.com? Torchlight 2? Space Pirates and Zombies? Gemini Rue?

half those games are not exclusive to pc

 

[jpoon]

Perfectly stated Jim, consoles are the shittiest consoles you can possibly own, and they are routinely dwarfed by even the most inexpensive PC's.

PC is where IT's at, and where IT has always been, and even the "next gen" (I.E. current "gen" PC) will not change this. Sure they might get a new Uncharted, Mario, or twenty new Halo's but they are all pretty weak compared to the lineup that PC gamers will get their hands on at much cheaper prices. I know where I'll be spending most of my time!

Edit: Honestly anybody who has the desire to assemble a computer damn well can if they can take a couple simple hours to read how the construction is done. It is almost childs play these days, the most difficult part they'll likely have is applying the thermal paste (which is rather simple), I'm absolutely certain my father could construct one after reading a diagram and maybe watching a short video like the one linked above. If there's a will, there's a way! Guys don't need to make a mountain out of a mole-hill.

 

[newwiseman]

not to mention controller support may be added through third party software like motionjoy or pinnacle if it isn't native.

The only reason I still own my consoles is the same reason I know I'll buy the next ones. Exclusive titles...

 

[Snotnarok]

I was hoping someone would come out and say these things in a vid.
I have consoles and love playing them, the old ones. Everytime I turn on my PS3 I gotta update the system, then I gotta update the game and that takes 5-20 minutes despite having a 20mbs/20mbs. Steam everything is done before I knew it started.

"Oh but I like sitting back and playing games on the TV"
I do that with my PC with an 360 or PS2 controller, even a mouse and keyboard and I just push one button to switch it over.

And what happened to the used game market? Games used to be 10-20 bucks cheaper, now they're 5 dollars cheaper most of the time. Sale on PC they're 25%-80% off and the freaking DLC usually goes on sale too.

I dunno what happened this generation everything with consoles is just irritating, but my lil' PS2 and Genesis just keep on giving good ol' game fun.

 

[votemarvel]

Right, it is simple enough that people create guides and youtube videos about putting PC together because it is so easy right? I was disagreeing with your comparison legos and PC building.

Tell you what, go get some PC parts and randomly pick strangers from the streets and ask them to assemble a computer with just the manuals, no outside help, research, or looking at guides. More often then not, a new PC builder will have some trouble with assembling a computer.

I'm not fear mongering, I'm just saying that with a console, a person does not have to worry about building anything, which is the point of a console.

But go ahead and keep your shoving your entitled elitist opinion down anyone, it just makes you look ignorant.

People make YouTube videos of tutorials on how to play a game as well, they aren't ready needed either. They simply provide extra help for those that may need it.

To be honest I found putting my first PC together without instructions a hell of a lot easier than trying to work out how to put together my Lego Millennium Falcon.

 

[OldDirtyCrusty]

Haven`t you people heard that pc-console gaming is soon to be dead anyway?
Portable gaming with smartphones and shit is the future. Many many important developers and really important market analysts are saying this, they work in the buisness so they must be right.

 

[simple64]

Perfectly stated Jim, consoles are the shittiest consoles you can possibly own, and they are routinely dwarfed by even the most inexpensive PC's.

PC is where IT's at, and where IT has always been, and even the "next gen" (I.E. current "gen" PC) will not change this. Sure they might get a new Uncharted, Mario, or twenty new Halo's but they are all pretty weak compared to the lineup that PC gamers will get their hands on at much cheaper prices. I know where I'll be spending most of my time!

Edit: Honestly anybody who has the desire to assemble a computer damn well can if they can take a couple simple hours to read how the construction is done. It is almost childs play these days, the most difficult part they'll likely have is applying the thermal paste (which is rather simple), I'm absolutely certain my father could construct one after reading a diagram and maybe watching a short video like the one linked above. If there's a will, there's a way! Guys don't need to make a mountain out of a mole-hill.

Or I could just, y'know, buy a system and play it rather than watch a diagram and a youtube vid. This seems that this always seems to fly over the head over most of you guys, I simply don't understand it.

If your gonna talk about the solid benefits of PC's sure. If your gonna mention what consoles are becoming now, no prob. It does have its flaws, as was mentioned in the vid.

However, to sound so arrogant as to assume that there is no reason why somebody would go console over PC is ridiculous. Do you people get pissy when somebody uses pancake mix over pancakes from scratch?

Is it not possible that the console has exactly what people are looking for, in an easy to install, cheap package? It does exactly what people are looking for it to do. Play games.

 

[him over there]

Well this thread is the gift that keeps on going. C'mon folks, lets keep the fail-pinion train moving! I bet we can make it to over 1000 ill-informed replies.

On topic i think many are losing sight of what Jim is talking about; the experience of playing (or at least trying to play) a game. The "Plug in and play" ability of the consoles is all but dead. Gone. Kaput. When it comes to user experience consoles are getting all the disadvantages of the PC with none of the open platform benefits. He's not saying PCs are cheaper, all he's saying is the experience is so similar in terms of technical bullshit that the advantages a PC provides no longer has the same gap in terms of user friendliness.

The PC hasn't really got any easier to deal with (and is still a bit of a headache) BUT the publishers and console makers have shit all over the console gamer so much as to make it almost intolerable to deal with.

Thanks for the rerail. However I'm going to bring up the wii. Yes less powerful, full of gimmicks, has no games etc. but it's the only console that has maintained the plug in and play mentality. I put in a disc click on the start button and then I'm playing. Considering there's news of the 720 being upgrade-able like the pc its only bringing more problems. Nintendo may not make the most powerful consoles but they're the only people making consoles.