Beta Test....a game...on PC? That would be almost like they gave a crap about something other than getting money from console. It would be like they actually wanted to make a "great" game. Nobody does that any more.
John Carmack: PC Is Not the "Leading Platform" for Games
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CBanana said:
Could someone explain this thing about Hard reset being such a credit to PC gaming and how the company is really behind PC's? This a game that got mixed reviews and even though currently PC only used only DX9 which normally denotes a multiform game...
Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy that.
Game will obviously sell more on consoles, but by ignoring the PC platform and releasing the game in a much publicized poor state you're not exactly helping your sales on the PC either with many people who might have bought it on that platform instead either buying it on a console or not at all.
Game will obviously sell more on consoles, but by ignoring the PC platform and releasing the game in a much publicized poor state you're not exactly helping your sales on the PC either with many people who might have bought it on that platform instead either buying it on a console or not at all.
PC is not the leading platform? As someone else already said, in other news, the sky is blue...
Having said that, I do always appreciate honesty. Carmack has openly admitted ID's evident negligence rather than spouting PR BS that nobody with half a brain would believe, and I give him a little credit for that.
Having read most of the comments this one is the one I agree with most. That last paragraph in particular makes a lot of sense to me. ID should either release something that works on PC or skip the PC altogether.adamtm said:
Having said that, I do always appreciate honesty. Carmack has openly admitted ID's evident negligence rather than spouting PR BS that nobody with half a brain would believe, and I give him a little credit for that.
I guess they thought they didn't need to, after all "It worked perfectly well on our systems"....ph0b0s123 said:
Meh, I assume most people will forget about this if their next release is good.
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An event so large it will eventually see a theatrical release directed by Michael Bay.Twilight_guy said:
Heh, Carmack and his giant ego again I see. Was he just making lame and beside the point excuses just now? He definitely was. Nevermind, even if he doesn't fix this the PC community will, it's just a matter of time. A power of PC after all, flexibility amongst many more.
As I said in a related topic, however, it will greatly reduce the initial sales of the PC-version, which doesn't really help id in the slightest. They sabotaged themselves, basically and as I said before they really can't afford stunts like these anymore. Their glory days are long gone now, but yeah, Carmack couldn't care less I guess. He never did. All it was to him: a technical challenge to show his genius as a self-taught programmer.
As I said in a related topic, however, it will greatly reduce the initial sales of the PC-version, which doesn't really help id in the slightest. They sabotaged themselves, basically and as I said before they really can't afford stunts like these anymore. Their glory days are long gone now, but yeah, Carmack couldn't care less I guess. He never did. All it was to him: a technical challenge to show his genius as a self-taught programmer.
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PC Gamers refusing to admit the platform has (and always has had) hardware compatability flaws, while JOHN FUCKING CARMACK says 'We have found insurmountable driver compatibility issues with PC development.
This guy makes bleeding edge graphics engines in his sleep. He once got scratched by Perseus, and the blood from the scratch touched the ground and from that sprang forth the pegasus, and Doom 3's lighting effect engine. He knows his shit. You should probably listen and heed his words even if you don't like the message. He's a bigger expert in this than any poster this board can muster. Including most industry insiders.
PC Gamers refusing to admit the platform has (and always has had) hardware compatability flaws, while JOHN FUCKING CARMACK says 'We have found insurmountable driver compatibility issues with PC development.
This guy makes bleeding edge graphics engines in his sleep. He once got scratched by Perseus, and the blood from the scratch touched the ground and from that sprang forth the pegasus, and Doom 3's lighting effect engine. He knows his shit. You should probably listen and heed his words even if you don't like the message. He's a bigger expert in this than any poster this board can muster. Including most industry insiders.
Holy shit! The internet is about to explode with rage, hit the fucking deck!! *FLAMESPOLISIONS!*
Even if he does think that... why in the world would you say it. Why deliberately piss off part of consumer base by saying that. I know he probibly doesn't want to wishy-washy about his opinions (I certainly don't) but that seems tasteless and not very not PR friendly.
Even if he does think that... why in the world would you say it. Why deliberately piss off part of consumer base by saying that. I know he probibly doesn't want to wishy-washy about his opinions (I certainly don't) but that seems tasteless and not very not PR friendly.
No PC is one of a kind even if 1.5k, as the PC works off a set of standards and off the shelf parts. Also I think people are bitching not becuase it has not been designed to take advantage of their 1.5k PC, but becuase the game does not run properly on a majority of PC's not just 1.5k ones. Or is it now acceptable to sell products that don't work properly?Laxman9292 said:
Laxman9292 said:
From the man himself, if they catered 'us' they "could unquestionably provide a better experience". Enough said.Andy Chalk said:
And for me a better control method in the case of FPS's. I can live with an FPS having the same graphic quality as consoles. But being forced to use a joypad rather a mouse. It's simple, no mouse, no play.Laxman9292 said:
This is my favourite paragraph. How can Minecraft, a currently PC unique game, have been so popular if all PC gamers care about is graphics and processing power. Surely Minecraft being so popular in the PC community proves completely the opposite, to the point you were using it to make. Brilliant logic.Laxman9292 said:
The game was a multi platform launch. What precisely does id stand to gain if they foment tensions amongst people (i.e. those who actually get worked up about what platform is best and choose to shout their displeasure to the masses) who are predisposed to irrational and hyperbolic arguments? I'm all for an evil conspiracy theory but i've got to have something to work with here.SidingWithTheEnemy said:
I think they make them for the very same reason games get made by most companies: because they think they can make money doing it.SidingWithTheEnemy said:
. One of your entries was notable as a platform exclusive, another was a niche title at best and the third is generally considered to have been a commercial failure (likely a part of the reason the company who made it radically changed their business strategy).SidingWithTheEnemy said:
I'm often amused by this sentiment. I understand why you have it and where it comes from but holding it generally overlooks a glaring and quite frankly obvious point: the PC is not a platform. It is a competing mass of standards. Give the people at id A known hardware target to aim at and I think you'll find them incredibly proficient at their duties. But there isn't a known hardware standard, now is there? I'd be willing to bet if you polled every single person who responded to this thread, you'd be hard pressed to find two people with identical systems. I think the short version is simply this: you can hope someone does the job better but to expect anything even approaching perfection in such a situation only reflects a failure of your ability to assess the complexity of what you ask.SidingWithTheEnemy said:
So you also take issue with the hundreds of games commercially released with damning bugs that came before. Off the top of my head for example: Modern Warfare 2, Battlefield Bad Company, Fallout 3, Sin, World of Warcraft, Alpha Protocol. . .SidingWithTheEnemy said:
I utterly agree with this statement. I've patiently waited for plenty of games to drop because I foresaw some terrible flaw with the product - something trained into me by paying full price for the privileged of beta testing dozens of times.SidingWithTheEnemy said:
Let's see:ph0b0s123 said:
- They made an FPS from the ground up that was designed for the PC
- They've been very engaged with their community and very often have helped troubleshoot problems
- Their very first patch came out very quickly and really took into consideration community input
- In interviews they've shown a very anti-DRM stance acknowledging they dislike it since they're gamers themselves
- Hard Reset compared to Rage actually allows you to adjust the game settings. This is particularly important with the field of view slider since it can cause headaches if the field of view isn't set properly.
Ok, I give you all the things you listed, but one.CBanana said:
"- They made an FPS from the ground up that was designed for the PC"
Yeah, a PC from 7 years ago. This would cut more ice if it used an API higher than DX 9.
But as I said the rest of the things you listed are very commendable.
All of his points are valid and accurate, but it doesn't change the fact that he's being an ass. It's good he seems to care about PC gamers enough to apologize about Rage, but outside of the topic of Rage (in those last few paragraphs) he basically said that games could be a lot better if we developed them for the PC, but we don't because there isn't as much money in it. He tried to make what he was saying less douchey by saying that what the developers put in is more important, but that's a moot point that doesn't change the fact that he's basically selling out. Sure, almost all developers have done this, but it sort-of renews my anger for one to actually say he's doing it out loud.