Just in case there were some who still felt the hatred towards the XBONE was unwarrented...

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bz316

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XBox-One User Agreement Includes waiving your rights to class action lawsuits against Microsoft [http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-users-must-waive-right-class-action-suits-against-microsoft-experts-weigh-1306797#]

Have at it internet...
 

UnnDunn

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This is standard in most user agreements now. Sony has a similar clause in their user agreement.
 

Vegosiux

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Well, the laws of your local jurisdiction override any kind of EULA you sign though, as far as I know. Basically, no EULA can make you waive rights that cannot be waived under your jurisdiction's legislation...
 

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Vegosiux said:
Well, the laws of your local jurisdiction override any kind of EULA you sign though, as far as I know. Basically, no EULA can make you waive rights that cannot be waived under your jurisdiction's legislation...
The Supreme Court has already held that class-action waivers are legal [http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/scotus-rules-att-can-force-arbitration-block-class-action-suits/]. That ruling trumps any jurisdiction in the US.
 

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UnnDunn said:
The Supreme Court has already held that class-action waivers are legal [http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/scotus-rules-att-can-force-arbitration-block-class-action-suits/]. That ruling trumps any jurisdiction in the US.
Ah, well in the EU we don't let corporations fuck over their customers.

Of course I doubt anyone outside the US would be buying an xbone. We have to pay more, even when half of the advertised features are US only.
 

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Genocidicles said:
UnnDunn said:
The Supreme Court has already held that class-action waivers are legal [http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/scotus-rules-att-can-force-arbitration-block-class-action-suits/]. That ruling trumps any jurisdiction in the US.
Ah, well in the EU we don't let corporations fuck over their customers.

Of course I doubt anyone outside the US would be buying an xbone. We have to pay more, even when half of the advertised features are US only.
EU customers probably aren't subject to the class-action waiver clause anyway.
 

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Indeed that has been adopted by just about everyone nowadays.

Not really a good thing, but not news either.

And yes, I do believe it's a little unwarranted.
Is it really so hard to respect people decisions, even if you don't personally agree with it?
 

Genocidicles

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piinyouri said:
And yes, I do believe it's a little unwarranted.
Is it really so hard to respect people decisions, even if you don't personally agree with it?
Well their decisions could potentially affect everyone.

Say the xbone magically becomes a smash hit success, selling more than the Wii U and PS4 combined. I could see all of it's bullshit DRM becoming industry standard the next console generation after, all because some people couldn't resist Halo.
 

Hazy992

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Good thing I live in an EU country where EULA's don't mean jack shit ^_^
 

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Genocidicles said:
...Of course I doubt anyone outside the US would be buying an xbone...
Do you understand just how right you are [http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/]?
 

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Jago1130 said:
bz316 said:
XBox-One User Agreement Includes waiving your rights to class action lawsuits against Microsoft [http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-users-must-waive-right-class-action-suits-against-microsoft-experts-weigh-1306797#]

Have at it internet...
OH YEA! lets get all torch and pitchfork over something that pretty much standard in any EULA.

wait, no lets not.

I have a better idea. How about we just let those who are afraid of xbone continue to be afraid, and those who understand it and aren't overwhelmed by bias, fear and paranoia make their decision. Why do the people who aren't getting this thing feel such a powerful compulsion to slag those who don't think its the end of all things?
To help those who cannot understand how bad the xbone is. I don't want future consoles to become more and more restrictive.
 

Adam Jensen_v1legacy

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I find it insane that a corporation can do that. This is an enormous flaw in the US legal system. In EU no company can do that because it directly violates one of your fundamental rights guaranteed by the constitution. That's right. In most European countries it is your constitutional right to sue someone and no one can take it away from you. No matter what you sign.
 

Genocidicles

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That's the problem, most of those who are most loudly decrying how terrible it is don't really understand how it works. I prefer to herald fact and understanding over rumor and bias...
Everyone understands how it works.

You just think that being able to share a game amongst 10 of your friends justifies them taking away your consumer rights.
 

Not Lord Atkin

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Hm, a complete exemption clause, eh? Doesn't work. Courts actively hate them and will always find a way around them.

Sony is a private company so the rules governing exemption of liability clauses are a bit less strict than they are with public bodies; Nevertheless, in english law, the courts will limit the effect of such a clause based on a so-called reasonableness requirement. Don't worry, you will be able to sue if microsoft pull some serious shit. The best bet is to go with insufficient notice and breach of contract.
 

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Jago1130 said:
bz316 said:
XBox-One User Agreement Includes waiving your rights to class action lawsuits against Microsoft [http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-users-must-waive-right-class-action-suits-against-microsoft-experts-weigh-1306797#]

Have at it internet...
OH YEA! lets get all torch and pitchfork over something that pretty much standard in any EULA.

wait, no lets not.

I have a better idea. How about we just let those who are afraid of xbone continue to be afraid, and those who understand it and aren't overwhelmed by bias, fear and paranoia make their decision. Why do the people who aren't getting this thing feel such a powerful compulsion to slag those who don't think its the end of all things?

As someone said above, because your decision to buy an xbone could (and probably will) contribute to spreading this 24-hour check nonsense to everyone else. Hell, I don't even have a console, have zero interest in Sony or Nintendo, and I still want to see the Xbone fail to help draw a line (and maybe even reverse some of the trends we've been seeing, if I feel like dreaming big).

If this was just another PS3 vs XBox 360 vs Wii, I really wouldn't care less. Let the fanboys scream half-understood tech specs and accusations of crappy online communities and fling casual labels at each other like so much feces, wouldn't effect me any. However, with drm models becoming ever more intrusive, claims of piracy becoming ever more exaggerated, something needs to be done. The XBone has the immense privilege of being a high profile, high risk for a company lightning rod that, if the internet can actually stay focused for more than a damn week, could be that thing that could be done.

As for this EULA specifically a.) yes, it's rather standard issue and b.) how the fuck did this kind of bullshit become standard issue in the US? To the point that anyone who thinks "well, that seems kinda wrong" is consider a paranoid Luddite who needs to get with the times, as opposed to, oh say, the majority of consumers?
 

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FizzyIzze said:
Genocidicles said:
...Of course I doubt anyone outside the US would be buying an xbone...
Do you understand just how right you are [http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/]?
Not that it surprises me, but I think it's worth pointing out that the locations that can vote include Japan, where not only is the XBone not available, but the Xbox 360 sold terribly as well.