Just in case there were some who still felt the hatred towards the XBONE was unwarrented...

[Genocidicles]

Same thing is going to happen to FM4...

It's not the same. You'll still have the singleplayer and local multiplayer modes.

 

[Frezzato]

...Of course I doubt anyone outside the US would be buying an xbone...

Do you understand just how right you are [http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/]?

What the hell is wrong with Saudi Arabia? Are they generally uninformed, trolling or just sadists?

Yeah, and the most votes came from there. Nearly 1/3 of all votes, yea or nay, came from Saudi Arabia. Very odd.

 

[thespyisdead]

The Supreme Court has already held that class-action waivers are legal [http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/scotus-rules-att-can-force-arbitration-block-class-action-suits/]. That ruling trumps any jurisdiction in the US.

Ah, well in the EU we don't let corporations fuck over their customers.

Of course I doubt anyone outside the US would be buying an xbone. We have to pay more, even when half of the advertised features are US only.

not to mention half of the EU does not have the chance to be xboned.

OT: are there really people out there still unconvinced that this thing will just end up xboning the consumer? you guys need to wake up

 

[Genocidicles]

lol yes, it IS THE SAME... FM5 dev stated so in an interview. FM5 has same capability offline.

The console doesn't have an offline capacity for more than 24 hours though. So good luck playing your 'offline' game on a console that needs to be online.

Not sure how I can make this more clear for you. And still you cannot provide me with one thing that will be different about owning each game, aside from being easier to share.

Well with FM4, it's yours for as long you can look after the disc and your console. Whereas with FM5, Microsoft can just take it away from you because they longer want to support the xbone.

 

[nevarran]

Wasn't there the same thing on PSN?

p.s. Hmmm... http://kotaku.com/5840517/new-playstation-network-terms-of-service-include-a-no-suing-sony-clause

 

[TwoSidesOneCoin]

Jesus, why do I read through these things?! Could have done something productive FFS! Hey Jago1130, when the servers for FM4 go down, you can still access your offline single player correct? Now when the Xbox one servers go down, and you can no longer connect to THAT server to continue playing offline, can you access FM5 offline single player mode?

Something tells me you won't be able to. How's that for a difference?

BOOM, out of the motherfucking ball park.

*drops the mic and walks out*

 

[Tanakh]

Okay I've had my suspicions before but now I'm convinced. You guys totally work for Sony right? There's no way these doey eyed corporate line arguments could do anything but fan the fire on the charred remains of xbox one. Then again if this is the xbox loyalist demographic it might explain why their PR has been such a failure. I dunno something is fishy here and I don't think it's the salmon.

There are people around here that don't give a rat's ass about either MS or Sony and just post facts here and there. I think at least one of the posters you quoted is in that camp. Personally I just care about those companies as commodity manufacturers from which i might buy in the future, and am just following this because find intriguing how awful the microsoft dev team and pr team seem to be (especially the pr).

 

[deffel]

Same thing is going to happen to FM4...

It's not the same. You'll still have the singleplayer and local multiplayer modes.

lol yes, it IS THE SAME... FM5 dev stated so in an interview. FM5 has same capability offline. Not sure how I can make this more clear for you. And still you cannot provide me with one thing that will be different about owning each game, aside from being easier to share.

When MS servers come under attack - be it DDOS or a massive hack like with PSN back in the day - they will have their system shut down by attack or they will shut it down themself to fix things. That then would mean you would not
be able to play any games on your xbone since it requires to be online very once in a while.
(dunno why you must be online to play offline - but thats what they decided to go with - maybe they will change it)

Edit - Just read this:

FM5 can be played beyond the 24 hours, even if the console is not online. Straight from the dev. There is no difference. And seeing as how you're wrong on this one, and have failed to give me another, I'm going to accept that as your concession that you can't make an argument that owning FM5 has less rights than owning FM4. Invalidating your argument that ownership rights are tossed by buying that game.

Are you sure about this? Because it does not matter a bit what the DEVs say if they are blocked by hardware or policy. Also it would help if you link the sources to such statements - its the internet after all

 

[Gorrath]

Oh, so what your're saying is you CAN'T tell me how owning FM5 is going to different in practice than FM4. Keep in mind kiddo FM5 has an offline mode as well, so you kinda missed the point. It doesn't matter if someone else likes offline mode, because they will be available in both games, so going off on some random tangent speaking in generics is getting off point.

The point is you cant tell me how in practice owning FM5 is going to be different than owning FM4, aside from the fact that sharing it will be easier.

Normally I presume the best intentions from the people I speak with on forums, but calling someone 'kiddo' in order to gain some perceived upper hand seems exceedingly disingenuous. What difference does FM5's offline mode make if you can't connect to Microsoft's servers? It does matter if people like offline mode but can't play it because Microsoft's servers have been down for a week due to DDoS attacks or some other outage. That is how, in practice, owning FM4 can very easily be different from owning FM5. Now that might not matter to you personally, but it matters to a whole lot of other people. That is a material differeence in the ownership experience of each game whether you choose to recognize it or not due to your own perfernces.

You went from claiming there was no difference, to claiming there was no material difference to your personally because of how you feel about offline modes, to going back to claiming there is no difference because FM5 has offline mode too. The difference isn't in game modes or how you personally feel about them, the differnce is in the system that supports those game modes. One system requires an online connection for some game modes, the other requires online authentication for ALL game modes. That's the difference.

 

[Genocidicles]

FM5 can be played beyond the 24 hours, even if the console is not online. Straight from the dev.

Bullshit it can.

It says right on the xbone's website that after 24 hours without a connection, the console can only be used to watch tv or Blu-ray/DVD films.

I don't think Forza is a film or television program, do you?

When the devs are talking about an 'offline mode', they're probably meaning that you can play the game without it being connected to the cloud.

 

[Gorrath]

Wrong.

FM5 can be played beyond the 24 hours, even if the console is not online. Straight from the dev. There is no difference. And seeing as how you're wrong on this one, and have failed to give me another, I'm going to accept that as your concession that you can't make an argument that owning FM5 has less rights than owning FM4. Invalidating your argument that ownership rights are tossed by buying that game.

This claim is not consistent with anything Microsoft has said about their console. Do you have a link to an article where FM5 can still be played on Xbone even after the 24 hr authentication period has passed? All the information I have seen so far has said that the console will NOT play games if it does not authenticate within a 24 hr period.

 

[Something Amyss]

XBox-One User Agreement Includes waiving your rights to class action lawsuits against Microsoft [http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-users-must-waive-right-class-action-suits-against-microsoft-experts-weigh-1306797#]

Have at it internet...

Yeah, let's moe to Sony...Oh, wait, they have the same clause. Well, Steam...Oh, right....I suppose I could buy an Apple product and play a bunch of Apps...Oh, right, they have the same clause.

I don't get the logic here. "Hate Xbone because some something practically everyone else is doing?" I mean, I don't think it's great, but singling them out for what? Being late to the party?

 

[enriquetnt]

This is standard in most user agreements now. Sony has a similar clause in their user agreement.

yes but thats for PSN, and it is FREE

 

[ghostrider9876]

Wrong.

FM5 can be played beyond the 24 hours, even if the console is not online. Straight from the dev.

And straight from Microsoft, aka the people who actually make the XBone:

"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."

Read it again if you need to: "Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times." The system itself will not play any games if you don't check in every 24 hours. ANY games. That includes Forza. Don't know where you got your information (you say "straight from the dev," care to source it?) but mine is direct from the official XBone website. http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/connected

So...yeah. Your ownership experience is going to be different, and you'll see how different the first time your internet or Microsoft's servers have a problem that lasts more than 24 hours.

 

[Savagezion]

The Supreme Court has already held that class-action waivers are legal [http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/scotus-rules-att-can-force-arbitration-block-class-action-suits/]. That ruling trumps any jurisdiction in the US.

Ah, well in the EU we don't let corporations fuck over their customers.

Not us Americans, we love getting fucked over by corporations it seems. It's our favorite. Notice the many who jump at the chance to defend EA, Microsoft, or just shady practices in general.