Just in case there were some who still felt the hatred towards the XBONE was unwarrented...

[Gorrath]

Wrong.

FM5 can be played beyond the 24 hours, even if the console is not online. Straight from the dev.

And straight from Microsoft, aka the people who actually make the XBone:

"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."

Read it again if you need to: "Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times." The system itself will not play any games if you don't check in every 24 hours. ANY games. That includes Forza. Don't know where you got your information (you say "straight from the dev," care to source it?) but mine is direct from the official XBone website. http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/connected

So...yeah. Your ownership experience is going to be different, and you'll see how different the first time your internet or Microsoft's servers have a problem that lasts more than 24 hours.

I honestly find a great deal of humor in this given that he started out the whole thing with this little gem:

"That's the problem, most of those who are most loudly decrying how terrible it is don't really understand how it works. I prefer to herald fact and understanding over rumor and bias..." - Jago1130

 

[ScrabbitRabbit]

Wrong.

FM5 can be played beyond the 24 hours, even if the console is not online. Straight from the dev. There is no difference. And seeing as how you're wrong on this one, and have failed to give me another, I'm going to accept that as your concession that you can't make an argument that owning FM5 has less rights than owning FM4. Invalidating your argument that ownership rights are tossed by buying that game.

Citation needed.

Microsoft themselves have said that you can only watch DVDs/Blu-Ray and TV if the console fails to authenticate. I'm rather confident that you've either completely misinterpreted what they said or are outright lying.

OT: My first thought was "this is no big deal, really, every EULA has this clause now..."

Then I realized the fact that it was "no big deal" was in, itself, a big deal. I find the fact that companies feel the need to include this clause a little disconcerting...

Luckily, I don't think it applies to EU citizens (not that I'm planning on organizing a class-action suit, but ya know!)

 

[LetalisK]

...Of course I doubt anyone outside the US would be buying an xbone...

Do you understand just how right you are [http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/]?

Holy shit, why is Saudi Arabia so active and why is it almost even? Especially since it's one of the countries that aren't going to be supported!

 

[TomPreston]

please tell me how my experience as the owner of Forza 5 is going to be negatively impacted, by comparison to say, Forza 4. I've got time.

They take the servers down at the end of the console's lifespan, making your copy of Forza 5 worthless.

That should be more than enough reason if you value gaming as an art form in any way.

I'm honestly convinced no one can see that far in advance and that's why no one is worried about it. Microsoft is basically selling planned-obsolescence software that will expire and be unplayable within only the span of 5-6 years.

 

[TomPreston]

Okay I've had my suspicions before but now I'm convinced. You guys totally work for Sony right? There's no way these doey eyed corporate line arguments could do anything but fan the fire on the charred remains of xbox one. Then again if this is the xbox loyalist demographic it might explain why their PR has been such a failure. I dunno something is fishy here and I don't think it's the salmon.

There are people around here that don't give a rat's ass about either MS or Sony and just post facts here and there. I think at least one of the posters you quoted is in that camp. Personally I just care about those companies as commodity manufacturers from which i might buy in the future, and am just following this because find intriguing how awful the microsoft dev team and pr team seem to be (especially the pr).

Maybe but unlikely since well over 50% of posts are on the xbox exclusively so since the xbox was first announced and set up a whole village of straw men. It's not like someone could be here from sony or whatever for a number of years as a participant and then decide to besmirch the xbox with weak sauce arguments. The other definitely not since he just started on this site talks exclusively talks more with condensation then facts. Basically tries to bully people into agreeing with him. His name is also the only ftp character on the killer instinct xbox exclusive followed by the xbox one release date. Nothing fishy there at all. Must be the salmon.

Sony doesn't need to hire anyone to defend them, the overwhelming disappointment of the Xbox One is pretty self evident to everyone in the industry and consumer base already.

But as long we we're talking about these conspiracy theories... take a look at what Microsoft is doing to the Wii U: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/06/microsoft-employees-ambush-wii-u-best-buy-events-to-promote-xbox-one/

 

[Something Amyss]

Wrong.

FM5 can be played beyond the 24 hours, even if the console is not online. Straight from the dev.

Given Microsoft's own confirmation of MANDATORY connections to be able to play games, period, I'ma toss a big [CITATION NEEDED] on this bad boy.

 

[viranimus]

as much as every bit of Xbomination hate is warranted and in fact NEEDED, this does not fit simply because Microsoft had already did this and its a part of the Xbox live EULA. So Yes, another thing to be pissed with, but not to be filed under the header of the Xbone

 

[Callate]

Yeah, unfortunately that clause has become pretty much the standard. EA has it on Origin, Valve has it on Steam, even Netflix has it.

One of the worst decisions the Supreme Court has made in recent history, frankly.

 

[BlackFlyme]

please tell me how my experience as the owner of Forza 5 is going to be negatively impacted, by comparison to say, Forza 4. I've got time.

They take the servers down at the end of the console's lifespan, making your copy of Forza 5 worthless.

That should be more than enough reason if you value gaming as an art form in any way.

I'm honestly convinced no one can see that far in advance and that's why no one is worried about it. Microsoft is basically selling planned-obsolescence software that will expire and be unplayable within only the span of 5-6 years.

So it's like apple products, but instead of pressuring the user to buy the newest shiny thing, the older shiny thing will just outright brick?

OT: As has already been said, very many companies now have EULAs with similar clauses. Also already mentioned, the U.S. Supreme Court has dictated that said clauses are not only legal, but that they may over-rule any U.S. jurisdiction.

 

[Requia]

XBox-One User Agreement Includes waiving your rights to class action lawsuits against Microsoft [http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-users-must-waive-right-class-action-suits-against-microsoft-experts-weigh-1306797#]

Have at it internet...

This is nothing against MS, you need to get the torches and pitchforks and head to a state capitol/DC for allowing this to be enforceable in the first place.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

To those wondering why is a big deal that Xbox or any company tries to block class action lawsuits is that the companies probably have more lawyers than you have members of your family. Your extended family. They can spend insignificant amounts of money (to them) burying the individual with their high priced lawyers' abilities to squash or put injunctions of the processes of the legal system. Even if you're right, your case most likely won't even see a court room because you will not have the guns or the funds to push through all of that.

A class action lawsuit could match a company's legal firepower. That's why they fear it. That's why they make you unable to try to make one by signing your right away.

Damn jago sounds like a fanboy

or maybe just someone who's not paranoid, and understands that DRM probably not going anywhere, and that this DRM isnt really any worse than he gets all the time anyway.

nope totally a fanboy your name is the release character for killerinstinct paired with the xbox one release date. the only way to make it more obvious would be to call yourself xboxfanboi1

Well, being that I only lurked these forums until people got all crazy biased, it seemed fitting to make it that now. But yea, I will enjoy Killer Instinct on day one. Way to go Colombo!

I'm going to not call you any names, I'm not going to insult you, I'm not going to do anything to try to close the avenues of discussion. I want to just take this moment to say that people's fears of you being apart of a PR department comes from simple facts that, yes, these things have been done before, and the escapist is a place where a lot of people come to get their news. I mean, I've made it clear of my feelings about the Xbox One many times (not a fan) but I've been here since 2008. I've discussed other things many of times. People know I'm a trainer, they know I like fighting games, they know I have interest in gender and racial issues and discussing them ... or would if they read my posts. I don't think they do.

Regardless.

Looking at your Posts, of the 65 posts you've commented on, only two of them have not been about the Xbox One. You join at a time where Microsoft is in high spin mode, literally a day ago. All of this seems like you've joined to specifically support a system that isn't even out yet and as a supporter, you have no stake in trying to 'spread the truth' to others. At least those 'afraid' of the Xbox are worried that these practices will affect other systems and the like.

Look, you have passion and I find that good. I don't want to tell you how to operate or how to express yourself. You're a grown ass person, that's a right you have and you should definitely exercise. I hope you stick around after the Xbox One drops and we find out that we were all wrong, you just feel strongly about things. That would be great. More people need to feel more strongly about things.

People are just wary. That's all. We're all angry at this moment. People who don't like Xbox One can very well easily never touch Xbox One and live productive lives. Those who embrace Xbox One, I'm freaking happy they got everything they wanted in a system. I think we should just keep a little bit of an open mind, us on our side trying not to believe we're not being invaded by plants from companies, and others supporting some of these practices and/or companies realizing it's hard to see the benefits when we fully believe there to be none.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Eh. Plenty of this particular bullshit already happens with Sony, Steam, etc. Thankfully in most sane countries it doesn't matter because they can't make you waive those kind of rights.

or maybe just someone who's not paranoid, and understands that DRM probably not going anywhere, and that this DRM isnt really any worse than he gets all the time anyway.

I don't think it's paranoia to suggest that if Microsoft restrict used games and create a dependancy on their servers and the Xbone is still popular, it could become the standard for consoles. It's not a matter of understanding and accepting DRM, if you don't want DRM all you have to do is not buy the products. Or do you disagree that DRM is detrimental?

 

[JetFury]

Damn jago sounds like a fanboy

or maybe just someone who's not paranoid, and understands that DRM probably not going anywhere, and that this DRM isnt really any worse than he gets all the time anyway.

did you ignore everyone else's arguments? Even if you have internet it's still a negative