Just watched Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone again, and wow...

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Slytherin House just got robbed.

What kind of crap was that?
Hermione got 50 points for being smart
Ron got 50 points for being good at chess.
Harry got 60 points for being nice.
Neville got 10 points for standing up to his housemates; trying to keep them from breaking the rules?

The worst thing we saw from Slytherin was Draco being snobby and informing the faculty of Gyffindor students being out past curfew.

Gryffindor had no right in winning the House Cup. No wonder members of Slytherin House ended up so 'rotten'. They played by the rules and should have won, but had that victory taken from them by a bunch of troublemakers. Even worse in Order of the Pheonix members of Slytherin are working with the Ministry of Magic and are still perceived to be the villains.

Go to TVTropes
Go into Headscratchers: Harry Potte and the Philosopher's Stone
Scroll down to the folder marked 'Slytherin deserved it'
I made this point on TvTropes about two days ago!

I'm in the middle of editing a review for Harry Potter and the PS (watch out review section, here I come) and I caught this as well when I was watching through a couple of days ago. In the book it's even worse, because Slytherin lost 50 house points earlier in the year because of Draco getting caught out of bed. The house must have worked really hard and while it is satisfying to see Draco and his cronies get it, there must have been some poor little eleven year olds who cried themselves to sleep that night.

 

[sharpsheppard]

they took down an attempt to bring back the greatest evil there world had known in their first year at school not to metion broke through defences made by there teachers wisards who had been practing magic for there whole lifes showing knowlage far beyond their experience it think they deserved the credit.

god l love those books

 

[easternflame]

A rant.

Ok seriously now. Who cares? It's complaining on the core of the story. The good guys won because they sacrificed rules too save us mere muggles from Voldemort

 

[teebeeohh]

they just have one house for all the assholes. Now if they only started killing them off before they turn evil.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

*snip*

Well, this is confusing. You see, I put up an edit correcting that whole "automatic win" thing[footnote]Yes, I KNOW the snitch is not an automatic win. TECHNICALLY.[/footnote] a LONG time ago. I'm not sure how you missed it.

I guess you've sort of got me on the Slytherin thing, though. I don't know. I still think the system is a little screwy when Dark wizards don't really come from any other house. I guess the whole "house" system is kind of fucked up to begin with. Only serves to encourage animosity between students and favoritism between teachers, to quote someone else on this topic.

 

[easternflame]

A rant.

Ok seriously now. Who cares? It's complaining on the core of the story. The good guys won because they sacrificed rules too save us mere muggles from Voldemort

to* sorry

 

[orangeapples]

Slytherin House just got robbed.

What kind of crap was that?
Hermione got 50 points for being smart
Ron got 50 points for being good at chess.
Harry got 60 points for being nice.
Neville got 10 points for standing up to his housemates; trying to keep them from breaking the rules?

The worst thing we saw from Slytherin was Draco being snobby and informing the faculty of Gyffindor students being out past curfew.

Gryffindor had no right in winning the House Cup. No wonder members of Slytherin House ended up so 'rotten'. They played by the rules and should have won, but had that victory taken from them by a bunch of troublemakers. Even worse in Order of the Pheonix members of Slytherin are working with the Ministry of Magic and are still perceived to be the villains.

Go to TVTropes
Go into Headscratchers: Harry Potte and the Philosopher's Stone
Scroll down to the folder marked 'Slytherin deserved it'
I made this point on TvTropes about two days ago!

I'm in the middle of editing a review for Harry Potter and the PS (watch out review section, here I come) and I caught this as well when I was watching through a couple of days ago. In the book it's even worse, because Slytherin lost 50 house points earlier in the year because of Draco getting caught out of bed. The house must have worked really hard and while it is satisfying to see Draco and his cronies get it, there must have been some poor little eleven year olds who cried themselves to sleep that night.

it seems when you consider the emotion of characters outside of the main plot someone is bound to call you a troll ^_^

And the funny thing is, the school WASN'T informed of Voldemort's return and how the trio stopped him. The students just watched Slytherin get robbed of their victory and cheered.

 

[Ren3004]

I know, it's so unfair that they got the cup for saving the world. If it were my kids, I'd sue the school.

 

[brunothepig]

*snip*

Well, this is confusing. You see, I put up an edit correcting that whole "automatic win" thing[footnote]Yes, I KNOW the snitch is not an automatic win. TECHNICALLY.[/footnote] a LONG time ago. I'm not sure how you missed it.

I guess you've sort of got me on the Slytherin thing, though. I don't know. I still think the system is a little screwy when Dark wizards don't really come from any other house. I guess the whole "house" system is kind of fucked up to begin with. Only serves to encourage animosity between students and favoritism between teachers, to quote someone else on this topic.

Sorry about that, I tried to post a while ago, but it kept telling me the site was down, so I just refreshed it after a while. Yeah, that point is brought up, pretty sure by a ghost, I think Nearly Headless Nick. And the sorting hat itself not-so-subtly hints that they need to all band together and stop fighting after Voldemort comes back. Ironically, just before he separates them all.

Actually they almost CAUSED Voldemort to come back. Voldemort wasn't able to get the stone from the mirror, it was harry who got it for him. If he had just stayed in bed all would of been safe and hell the teachers and Dumbledore might of been able to of captured Voldemort instead.

Dumbledore says at the end of the last book the Voldemort would have got the stone if it weren't for Harry, Hermione and Ron. Don't know about the movie.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Bearing in mind that the person who made sure they won was the person who was supposed to have done what the kids had to end up doing, and how important it was...

Makes sense to me. Make a fuss about how heroic they were, and people might not stop to question why meddling kids were needed in the first place.

 

[Malrock]

I'm still stuck on them having an entire house devoted to people that are pretty much ALWAYS future psychopaths and everyone's just OK with it.

And how about Quidditch? ONE BALL wins the game? Who the fuck thought THAT was a good idea? So even if the entire is amazing at the sport, as long as the opposing team has ONE good player they can still win, even if the rest of their team sucks? How is that balanced? How is that fair?

I'm going to feel like such a nerd for this but...

The snitch doesn't = an automatic win. When the snitch is caught the game ends and the team that caught it gets 150 points. If I remember correctly that's how Ireland wins the Quidditch World Cup because even after Krum gets the snitch the Irish were still ahead on points.

Now I could be horribly wrong but I think that's it.

You are correct my fellow Potter nerd lol...

 

[FriedRicer]

I'm still stuck on them having an entire house devoted to people that are pretty much ALWAYS future psychopaths and everyone's just OK with it.

And how about Quidditch? ONE BALL wins the game? Who the fuck thought THAT was a good idea? So even if the entire is amazing at the sport, as long as the opposing team has ONE good player they can still win, even if the rest of their team sucks? How is that balanced? How is that fair?

I'm going to feel like such a nerd for this but...

The snitch doesn't = an automatic win. When the snitch is caught the game ends and the team that caught it gets 150 points. If I remember correctly that's how Ireland wins the Quidditch World Cup because even after Krum gets the snitch the Irish were still ahead on points.

Now I could be horribly wrong but I think that's it.

Correct!
Books 4-6 FTW!

 

[Uber Evil]

You need to read the book and not watch the movie?
But it was because Snape had been needlessly removing points constantly.
Of course Slytherin gets so much crap from everyone else anyway. I guess they segregate all the douchebags to one house?

Actually catching the Snitch (by the way I'd have loved if there was an unseen typo in the script) only lets 150 points, while scoring with the bludger nets 10. A team was 150 points behind and caught the snitch, only for the opposing team to score once more with the bludger and win by 10 points.

*pushes glasses to forehead*

Quaffle, not bludger. The bludgers are for hitting people.

Why do they let students try to knock each other off of their brooms 100 feet in the air?

'Cause fuck those assholes, that's why. That's the only explanation I have.

 

[Bearjing]

Dumbledore says at the end of the last book the Voldemort would have got the stone if it weren't for Harry, Hermione and Ron. Don't know about the movie.

Do you remember how? I read the book so many years ago I might of forgotten that part. All I remember is that, the only way to get the stone from the mirror was to not want it in the first place. Meaning Voldemort shouldn't have been able to get it without harry potter showing up.

 

[monkey_man]

What I never get is why Ron had to remain seated on the knight during that wizard's chess bit. Wouldn't that fucking thing have moved on it's own anyway?

But I never liked Harry Potter anyway for one simple reason; Everyone's a wizard. And as good old Syndrome from The Incredibles will tell you, "When everyone's super, no one will be."

See, Harry still got a superpower, explained in the books. He is the only one who has the slightest possibility of killing Voldemort.

Spoiler

He is the 6th horcrux, because Tom-I-am-a--massive-tool-Riddle transferred a bit of his soul unto Harry after he murdered his parents. And because of that he has special abilities necessary to defeat Voldemort, like the ability to talk to snakes or feel Voldemorts emotions. I mean, without the talking to snakes bit, he would never defeated Tom Riddle in the Chamber of Secrets because he could not get in, so Dumbledore would not get the idea of horcruxes, so everyone would be majorly fucked.
And the Emotions bit give Potter the flashback and real-time view of Voldemort, giving vital information otherwise un-gathered. Like his position, thoughts, traveling, and they are all important.So yeah, if Voldemort wouldn't have screwed himself by killing Harry's Parents, he'd rule the world.

And the points bit has been explained above

 

[Erana]

I'm still stuck on them having an entire house devoted to people that are pretty much ALWAYS future psychopaths and everyone's just OK with it.

This. I've never understood why a supposedly reputable school allows all the troublemaking dickheads to essentially band together and run amuck.

Hell, the very idea of splitting up everyone into different "houses" has always rubbed me the wrong way. All it does is promote animosity amongst the students and favoritism by the instructors.

Well, it was partly done so because of the founders of the school. They each had their own thing, and a lot of what-nots indicate Salazar Slythrin was kinda crazy or evil or something, so it makes sense that the Slythrin students followed suit.
Salazar helped build the school, so he got his say. And considering all the righteous jerks in the Harry Potter world, its safe to assume that there is enough social influence to keep them from nixing the house.

 

[Ham_authority95]

Slytherin House just got robbed.

What kind of crap was that?
Hermione got 50 points for being smart
Ron got 50 points for being good at chess.
Harry got 60 points for being nice.
Neville got 10 points for standing up to his housemates; trying to keep them from breaking the rules?

The worst thing we saw from Slytherin was Draco being snobby and informing the faculty of Gyffindor students being out past curfew.

Gryffindor had no right in winning the House Cup. No wonder members of Slytherin House ended up so 'rotten'. They played by the rules and should have won, but had that victory taken from them by a bunch of troublemakers. Even worse in Order of the Pheonix members of Slytherin are working with the Ministry of Magic and are still perceived to be the villains.

Yeah, the first movie sucked because it focused on this shit. The directors have learned, though.

It makes sense though. All the kids where really small and immature, so they couldn't properly portray the more complicated, important elements in the stories, like Harry's struggle with "fame".

 

[brunothepig]

Dumbledore says at the end of the last book the Voldemort would have got the stone if it weren't for Harry, Hermione and Ron. Don't know about the movie.

Do you remember how? I read the book so many years ago I might of forgotten that part. All I remember is that, the only way to get the stone from the mirror was to not want it in the first place. Meaning Voldemort shouldn't have been able to get it without harry potter showing up.

Just skimmed through the end of the book again, it isn't specifically mentioned actually. So you might have a point, although if Harry hadn't interrupted them Voldemort might still have figured something out. Remember, if Harry hadn't gone through the defenses first, it would have taken Dumbledore a while to get through. The chess game and catching the key especially. Plus, he did rob Voldemort of his faithful servant, which is why Voldemort is basically gone from the second and third book. It isn't until Pettigrew returns to him that he can implement a new plan.

Oh, and I believe there was a comment somewhere about how Dumbledore never actually tells the school about it. Officially no, but he does say to Harry "What happened down in the dungeons between you and Professor Quirrel is a complete secret, so, naturally, the whole school knows".

 

[spartan231490]

Slytherin House just got robbed.

What kind of crap was that?
Hermione got 50 points for being smart
Ron got 50 points for being good at chess.
Harry got 60 points for being nice.
Neville got 10 points for standing up to his housemates; trying to keep them from breaking the rules?

The worst thing we saw from Slytherin was Draco being snobby and informing the faculty of Gyffindor students being out past curfew.

Gryffindor had no right in winning the House Cup. No wonder members of Slytherin House ended up so 'rotten'. They played by the rules and should have won, but had that victory taken from them by a bunch of troublemakers. Even worse in Order of the Pheonix members of Slytherin are working with the Ministry of Magic and are still perceived to be the villains.

Yeah, 170 house points for saving the world. That's way too much. they should have gotten detention. /sarcasm
I mean really, congrats, good troll, but crap. They stopped Voldemort from becoming immortal, they deserve the house cup. Also, if you will recall, they lost 200 points for being up late because they were trying to save hagrid's dragon(that's from the book, but they used the same point totals. So, they really should have won to begin with.

Actually they almost CAUSED Voldemort to come back. Voldemort wasn't able to get the stone from the mirror, it was harry who got it for him. If he had just stayed in bed all would of been safe and hell the teachers and Dumbledore might of been able to of captured Voldemort instead.

Or, being a wizard with as much power as Dumbledoor, Voldemort might have broken Dumbledoor's enchantment related to the mirror and gotten the stone anyway.