Kane and Lynch sells 1 million copies. Much ado about nothing.

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tendo82

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So videogame trash sells in spite of bad reviews. Certainly not news to anyone, but it makes the actions taken by Gamespot management and the implied actions of the publisher, in regards to Gerstmanngate, seem particularly ignominious.

Did an example really need to be made of a high profile editor in service of a game that seemed destined to sell a million copies in spite of any bad reviews? To be fair, the publisher probably was fairly nervous about sales given the initial reviews, but in retrospect, and hindsight is 20/20, all this comes off as a very public "F*** You!" to the enthusiast press more than anything else.
 

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Is it really that bad? A gaming magazine I subscribe to had an article written by someone who has always been on the same page as I was when it came to giving games a grade. He gave this game a 70, but spent one of two pages cursing about a level with a truck.

When they announced this game and showed the first few trailers, I was pretty excited.
 

REDPill357

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X nosgoth X said:
When they announced this game and showed the first few trailers, I was pretty excited.
That's the point. Everyone was hyped up about it, but most people have rated it as a mediocre game.

Also, lol at the thread title.
 

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Played it and disliked it... to the point that a Jew dislikes the national socialist party.

The gameplay was crap. A few good ideas but the story also sucked. You kill at least a bajillion cops... then you go to war in some 3rd world country with god knows who.
 

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Played it, enjoyed it. It's certainly a flawed game, but I think it deserves to sell (though many other titles deserved it more and didn't). The Eurogamer review is excellent and is pretty much how I experienced the game, with the difference that the gameplay is a bit better on the PC version.

Perhaps videogames are starting to develop beyond the pretty boy hero aesthetic. That's what future games should take from Kane & Lynch, the hero doesn't have to look like a Calvin Klein model. The characters are ugly and old and the story is harsh and thankless, in a wonderful way. The game doesn't let you be the good guy, or even a bad ass killer. However you play the game, the main character comes off as a sad over-the-hill criminal who has wasted everything that was good in his life and gotten a whole lot of people killed.
 

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I found the game incredibly fun. Also, don't base your decisions entirely off of game reviews. The game is REALLY fun (at least on PC, I have no clue if it sucks on console), and I only have a few qualms about it. Basically, you'll probably end up "dying" quite a few times... but that's ok, because as long as you didn't "die" within the last minute, you can come back to life, much like in Gears of War (where you can encourage Dom to keep fighting), but here, it works both ways (an ally comes up and injects some awesome adrenaline in your system). In fact, this game does feel like it stole a few ideas from Gears of War. Kane (the person you play) is off to the left of the camera instead of dead center like most games, you have no health meter and judge your health off of how red the screen is (and how tilted the camera is, which is a neat effect, I must say), the fact that you recover quickly from your bullet-catching, and, once again, you can revive 'dead' teammates.

Anyway, back to the dying. There are a few spots in the game that are pretty tricky and require several tries to get it right (you can also fail missions and, if you either get blown to bits or OD on adrenaline (by dying twice in about a two-minute time frame), you can die. For real, this time.), but what game DOESN'T have this? However, the only three levels I've seen so far (which sadly is just about once every three chapters) that have this irritating habit are: The nightclub (you have to defend your buddy from guards, since he is carrying a load and can't defend himself. The trick is to make him stay put until you clear the area.), the behemoth truck (yeah, that part was VASTLY annoying... but hey, the shovel-based murder before was REALLY cool, at least in my book. :D), and, well, where I'm stuck now. I just got to... that place in the middle of the war. Also... that was kind of a weird plot twist that didn't make too much sense, at least not yet (if you couldn't already tell by "I'm stuck here", well, I'm stuck there and haven't finished the game).

Anyway, so far, co-op (on PC) sucks, since you have to have two 360 controllers in order to play it (which is amusing, since they don't let you use a 360 controller in single player mode). I haven't gotten the chance to play it since I don't have a second controller attached to my computer, let alone in my posession. Also, multiplayer seems a bit shallow, since A) the game is Live-based and therefore, you can only play against other PC-ers that don't want to upgrade to Gold (hey, why would you? PC gets free online play, whereas 360 doesn't! HAH!), and B) there's only one game mode. Sure, the game mode seems pretty fun, but when you burn out on that, you can't just set the next round to be a deathmatch. Also, I haven't played multiplayer, but I get the feeling that there won't be too many levels... and also, since the purpose of the game mode is to participate in a heist with everyone else playing (you can turn on each other though... it gets a little complicated on how you win), you and I can both guess that the game will get a little repetitive in multiplayer (MULTIPLAYER = REPETITIVE?? WTF?).

Finally... there are slight control issues. SLIGHT control issues. I miss Gears, where you could hit the spacebar to hit cover (oh yeah, you sprint with the spacebar in Kane and Lynch, too. Which... is how you 'sprint' in Gears.), since here, you have to walk up to cover and kind of stare at it while you hit some complicated key combination to HOPE you snap to the cover and don't slash your buddy open with the melee button instead.

But... all this aside.

The game is pretty good fun.


If you seriously trust the reviews, go and rent the game. Or borrow it. Who cares? It's a really fun game. It has a nice amount of story, but it doesn't force it out on you. The most story you get if you aren't paying attention is "I don't like these assholes. They are assholes. They did bad things, right in front of me, too. Let's kill them." The game has stunning graphics, decent gameplay, and stellar story. It feels like watching a heist-gone-wrong movie (since that's basically what the game is), but you get to blow things up your own goddamn way.
 

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I did have an inkling to get it, purely more for multiplayer purposes.

And you do realise "Much ado about nothing" means "Much ado about sex"?
 

Fire Daemon

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J-Val said:
I did have an inkling to get it, purely more for multiplayer purposes.

And you do realise "Much ado about nothing" means "Much ado about sex"?
Really? Wow we learnt this play in school, gota love shakespear. I'm interested in K&L because its trying something new and if it encourages other games to be original then so more the better.
 

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I got K&L on release and it is, IMHO [http://www.secretlemur.com/node/140], a heap of shit. Maybe not the worst game I've ever played, but an excellent example of just how bad an AAA title can be.

The fact that it's sold a million copies says more about the irrelevance of the gaming press when put up against the marketing onslaught that AAA games receive than it does about the quality of the game. The vast majority of the people out there buying games are not hardcore gamers. They're not reading indie (or even credible) reviews. They're not following the Gerstmann story. All they know is that they're watching the teevee and seeing ads for the Next New Thing, and that the ads make K&L look pretty cool. So, a whole bunch of ignorant suckers pick up the game next time they're at the game store.
 

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Well, who is to blame? You cannot learn a games' quality from screenshots. You cannot learn a games' quality from watching somebody play. You can only learn it, truly taking some time and playing yourself...

So that was basically a marketing success... for whatever reason. I did not notice the game as I am not that much into all this violence stuff. And was there anything besides? Did I miss something? ;)
 

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I've been fortunately one of the intelligent group that plays a demo before buying a hyped game, and thank god I invested that money into The Orange Box for my PS3.

On the demo game, you play a basic level. Thats it. Your asking "wtf nub, ur 2 n000by 4z ma likingz cus der mus b somfink gd about dis fing." But yeah, thats it. Nothing There is nothing special that would want me to buy a game in this demo. It was a mediocre experiance and another title added to the list of "Poor PS3 Game's".

Plus, how does adrenaline revive you when you take a bullet to the head?
 

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jaisimar_chelsea said:
if measured to the hype ratio it was a bad game but if it didnt get all that hype it would have been a gud game
Hype makes no bearing on wether a game is good or not. It makes a difference in how disappointed you are in the game if its over hyped, nothing else.
 

brkl

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Well, you intelligently missed out on the game!

Not that I blame you for buying The Orange Box instead, it's a better purchase.

I can't understand how the characters not being likeable makes this a bad game. Raskolnikov isn't a likeable character either, but that doesn't make Crime and Punishment a terrible novel.
 

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I haven't played the game yet, but I'll reiterate my belief that this game might not actually be that crap. I played the demo, and while it wasn't a sublime, gaming orgasm, it wasn't half bad... average and forgettable, but certainly not a terrible game.

I'm going to rent this and see how good it actually is: I imagine I might get bored before the end and not complete it, but I think there's still some fun to be had in the game. But, at the end of the day, there are so many great games out these days that its easy to deride and ignore the game completely. Which is fine also, but I just like to try everything.

I'm surprised to be defending the game, actually. When I first saw the hype videos and pre-release banter, I saw right through the whole thing and knew that this was just going to be an average game. But average isn't the same as 'terrible'.
 

tendo82

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My point in bringing up this topic wasn't so much to trash Kane and Lynch, but to point out that Gertsmann being fired over it now seems even more frivilous given that the game has done so well.