Keeping it in the Family: Let's Play Crusader Kings 2 Update 5

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BeeGeenie

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Woo! Great installment.

I'd vote not to rush into rebellion, but definitely keep independence an option. After all, as much as he may have changed, this is still the kid that chopped off your bait and tackle. If it's safe to go solo, you can always do it, but for now, wait it out.
 

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yeah this is how I've been trying to find good people, but unfortunately all the high stat people were of different religions/cultures so i couldn't entice them to come to my court....damn byzantine empire is filled with inbred's who have the stats of a 5 year old.

Which is why you should always prefer smart commoners to mediocre aristocrats, and try to do that not only with your children and relatives children, but your courtiers as well: not only does this protects you from filling your court with inbred idiots, but these smart commoners can then be used to tutor your youngs, and That is what makes it sooo worth it. Crusader Kings II makes it relatively easy to turn your own court into an anachronistic bastion of enthusiastic exogamy... To bad there's no way to transfer this play style to EU4.
 

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Witty Name Here said:
Also, is it just me or are there a -lot- more well-educated muslim characters in game than christian ones? Just seems like I often find muslim courtiers with high stats and the "genius" trait.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was intentional. Considering the time of Crusader Kings II, it would make a lot of sense for most Muslims to be more educated in general than those barbaric Christians. But I really have no idea if Paradox actually programmed the game this way, I've never noticed it myself.

My vote is on A, you need a stable Byzantine Empire to hold against the tide from the east. Although, following the same logic, being in power yourself could also be a good idea: you could hardly do a worse job than our rueful but incompetent little castrator we've got sitting on the throne now, which would speak for B, given the opportunity. Just don't rip the realm apart for it.
 

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Remain loyal and do what you can to help pull the Empire through, but... Inch yourself as discreetly as you can towards the lifeboats. If it becomes a choice between The Li'l Ball Collector and your survival, throw him to the sharks.



-"Remember, Generonicos, when I said I would snip you last?"

-"Yes! Yes, you did!"

-"I lied."
 
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Witty Name Here said:
Nixou said:
yeah this is how I've been trying to find good people, but unfortunately all the high stat people were of different religions/cultures so i couldn't entice them to come to my court....damn byzantine empire is filled with inbred's who have the stats of a 5 year old.

Which is why you should always prefer smart commoners to mediocre aristocrats, and try to do that not only with your children and relatives children, but your courtiers as well: not only does this protects you from filling your court with inbred idiots, but these smart commoners can then be used to tutor your youngs, and That is what makes it sooo worth it. Crusader Kings II makes it relatively easy to turn your own court into an anachronistic bastion of enthusiastic exogamy... To bad there's no way to transfer this play style to EU4.
True, I suppose.

Granted my kings tend to at least try to establish some positive relationship with their children and usually ward one or two of them, their heir at least.

Also, is it just me or are there a -lot- more well-educated muslim characters in game than christian ones? Just seems like I often find muslim courtiers with high stats and the "genius" trait.
I have a byzantine playthrough myself, and for the most part my empire is full of inbred fuckheads, most of the nobles can barely figure out where to stick their weiner if they're lucky. Could just be a playthrough type thing or could just be the game generating random coincidences.

In my scottish playthrough there are quite a few roman empire characters that are just fucking insane in stats, averaging 25's across the board...I cried a little when I saw my son had a 13/6/6/7/3 even though I had sent him to my marshal -_-
 
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Nixou said:
yeah this is how I've been trying to find good people, but unfortunately all the high stat people were of different religions/cultures so i couldn't entice them to come to my court....damn byzantine empire is filled with inbred's who have the stats of a 5 year old.

Which is why you should always prefer smart commoners to mediocre aristocrats, and try to do that not only with your children and relatives children, but your courtiers as well: not only does this protects you from filling your court with inbred idiots, but these smart commoners can then be used to tutor your youngs, and That is what makes it sooo worth it. Crusader Kings II makes it relatively easy to turn your own court into an anachronistic bastion of enthusiastic exogamy... To bad there's no way to transfer this play style to EU4.
I believe I was the one who said this? can't remember...

but yeah I accidentally switched cultures without realizing the impacts by marrying my wife at the time and it ruined my laws/setup, so all the courtiers I had at the time were on the verge of dying from old age...so now I just sigh and watch the inbreds run around figuring out who's dick is bigger and tearing apart my empire.
 

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[HEADING=2]Update 5: The Queen and I[/HEADING]

I want to say before people read the update, if you have an issue with depression that could trigger something, you may want to skim the end of part 3.


After convening with my council, I decided to stay loyal to the Basileus. My loyalty was immediately tested when the Basileus asked me to bail him out of his problems. Thanks to my significant reserves, the amount he requested was no problem, but I felt used for my loyalty.



The Greeks consolidated their Grecian forces into a small army. Though reinforcements from Italy would soon arrive, we had a chance to at the least harm them before that could happen.



After the Count of Korinth perished, I immediately found out that his son was not yet of age. I sent a petition to his regent asking to be his guardian.




Of course he accepted. Mostly because he had no real choice in the matter.



The Greeks were after Constantinople and decided to strike there first. The walls of the city could hold on forever though, and it was hoped the siege could be broken after consolidation of our forces occurred.



Finally, after several months of calling up troops, the Imperial army stood at the ready!



...And were immediately outnumbered 3:1.



For whatever reason, the Greeks decided that they needed to disperse the rebels besieging a territory with a force that was undermanned. The rebels force the Greeks to leave the field in retreat.



The rebel forces tried to follow behind the Greeks to try and disperse whatever army remained.



They were but a day too slow. On April 14, 6,000 Greek troops arrived to destroy the peasant forces. The rebels took 2000 losses to the Greeks 200. It was not an outcome favorable to us.



The Imperial army sneaked around the main Greek army and tried to link up with forces still being called up. Sadly, the Greeks proceeded to annihilate those still being called up. The Basileus decided to lead the army up into the mountains in the meantime.



Both sides used time to reinforce themselves, which worked in our favor. The Basileus finally had money again and used it to hire mercenaries. Though their landing at Constantinople cut it close, they were able to get away from the Greeks and link up with our forces in the mountains.

On November 29, in the Year of our Lord 1103...Things changed. They changed forever. We received a letter of correspondence for Constance. Though she usually got letters from England, none were...so formal. As I handed her the letter, even she stared at the letter first before opening it.

As she read the letter, her mouth started to drop. I asked her what was wrong. She slowly uttered the words "My brothers...have died." I started to move in next to her and apologize, when she continued "And they left no heirs." My hands started shaking, a wave of emotions came over me, and I didn't know how to react. Finally I asked "Does that mean...what I think it means?"





I couldn't believe it. My wife was now the Queen of England, my son her heir! Though my adventures into the nobility of Europe had been a horrible tale, but now things would get better, my life was finally on the upturn. And the best part?



Look at my sweet hat!


After my new title as the Despot of England, I found Byzantine events to be boring. They were still significant events to me if only because of how it made me realize how much I hated it here. Like how the Basileus decided to leave the safety of the mountains to go into the plains below.



Captain Obvious was nowhere to be found to tell him that this was a bad idea.



Though more troops were rushed to the battlefield, it was too little too late. The battle was lost, and any momentum we had was lost.



The Greeks proceeded to wipe out whatever had survived the previous battle. They also wiped out the rebels because they really wanted to wipe us out.



The Peasants probably did more damage to the Greek armies than the actual army did.



As another mass call up of troops was sent out, more mercenaries were hired to try and bring some respectability to our army.



Though the Basileus forced them to cross a river, the Imperials were still outnumbered 4:1.



To his credit, the Basileus refused to surrender even as the douxs called for peace.



After a few months, we consolidated our forces into 3500 men. Still way too few, but enough for a fighting chance.



Though our resolve was strong, we simply numbered too few men. When the French joined the Greeks, the war was essentially over. Still, we did not surrender.



After months of avoiding the Greeks and consolidating our forces, we numbered 6000 men. Still too small a force to fight, but if we found defensive ground, we could have a chance!



Though the Greeks were forced to cross a river to fight, it just wasn't enough as 2000 Frenchmen landed at Constantinople.



In a nice twist however, the Sultan of Rum declared war on the Greeks with the intent to take Nikea away from them. 9000 Turks rushed to destroy the French forces that had landed not a week earlier.



For whatever reason, the Basileus decided to surrender now. The city of Constantine, Constantinople, no longer belonged to the Romans. The peace deal angered many douxs, sadly too many were not willing to even question the Basileus, which meant nothing would come of their anger.



Constance sought more territory from Scotland, and hoped to weaken her northern neighbor.



Scotland was in the middle of several wars, and had been severely weakened. It was sure to be a victory for England!



The Basileus decided to discard his unpopularity and try to take more power for himself. "I have decided to institute a higher crown authority law in the Empire" the letter said. "SIZZ KRRR" went my fireplace as the letter burned.



Ironically, Constance had done the same thing. She likely had less enemies to deal with.



The Greeks had lost their war against the Turks, and their few holdings left in actual Greece were in rebellion by the nobles or the peasants.



The war fizzled out before anyone even died. Oh well.



I decided to take the time to improve my demense. More troops would mean I'm better protected. Of course my son wouldn't need this territory. He would have England!



The Basileus tried to take advantage of the Greeks dissolution just as they took advantage of us.





I don't understand the men of the cloth. If a god exists, he truly must have a sense of humor.



Castille however, must understand something. They have become the dominant Christian power on the peninsula. It is unclear if they can hold out against the Muslims, but if they do, they may be able to complete the Reconquista.



Word reached me from Constance that several of her dukes were rebelling against her and trying to place a family member on the throne. She was not worried and said it would be over in several months. I was never the optimistic one, but I wanted to believe her words. If only because I didn't want to imagine the alternative.



The country had been split. It only made me more nervous. I decided to focus on educating my grandchild to keep my mind off things.



When he arrived at my court, I found out that he was named Valerios. It was a good feeling.



Sadly, I could not keep my focus off England for long. Constance had run out of money, and the war was turning sour. I quickly dispatched a decent amount of money to her with the hopes she could fix whatever was wrong.



As I awoke in the morning, to an empty bed, I realized today was my 50th birthday! As I got up and looked into my mirror, I could see my age getting to me. I no longer had dark hair, my face was clearly aged, and the stress and years were getting to me. As I thought on it, I just grew more tired, I crawled back into bed and found myself unable to leave for the rest of the day. I wanted today to be a day of celebration, but I just felt so upset. So alone.



Back in Greece, the Basilus hoped to strike on the split off vassals of the Rum Sultanate. He quickly raised an army and marched to Trebizond.



Which ended immediately, after the vassal re swore an oath to the Sultan.



I wanted to strengthen my realm even more and invested into a larger barracks for my levy. Though expensive, my coffers were overflowing.



As I received more letters from Constance, in which she also sent a map of rebel controlled territory in England, I started to panic. I refused to allow this to happen. My wife would be Queen of England, my son is her heir. That was how it would be. That is how it would be...



I would find as many people who hated the Duke and hoped to conspire against him. That would end this rebellion. Then everything would be fine.



I found many willing people. The Duke was not surrounded by people he liked.


Basilus. Holy War. Rum Vassals. Civil War. GOTO1.



As my co-conspirators sent word that the gears of the assassination was in motion, I began to fill with worry. My hands could not stop shaking, my head ached, and I could not eat. I simply waited for the results of our "project".



It was such a huge success that his family didn't even know I did it! His death couldn't be traced to Constance! The war had to be over...right?



Instead, his son took up the claim. He wanted to fill the void that his father filled. A cruel and wrathful man, he was not well liked, but the war continued in his name. I had to stop him. I had to finish this. I would do whatever needed to be done. Both for Constance, and for Leon.



Whatever it took. Constance was Queen. I would rather die than believe otherwise.



Finding more enemies wasn't even a hard task. Note to self, do not have spymaster hate me.



My old friend Dmitry passed away. A good man who I lied to get to join my court, he served me well for almost 20 years. He was a good man. Still, I had to find a replacement to fill his plate armor.



One of the mayors had been a veteran of the recent Greek wars.



Mayor Giffard, Roger's spymaster, let me know that everything was under control. And that soon Roger would perish in a cart accident. Feeling safe and confident, I only got a little sick with anticipation.



My confidence always leads to failures. I guess I should at least be happy he didn't know it was me, but he still lived, and my hopes and dreams were dying.



The mayor promised to make up for his failures with a simple poisoned wine. Roger was known to love his wine, and I hoped it would be the end of all of this. I could go back to being happy, to knowing that my son had a better future ahead of him. Away from the politics of this empire, and he could be a king!



The mayor had lived up to his promise. Roger lay dead, and with him the rebellion died.



Or you know..not. I didn't know what to do. I killed both of them, who was left to claim the throne? What could these rebels fight for? Did they hate the Queen this much? Or was this my fault? I had failed at everything I'd done, I guess it would make sense that even my wife would fail too. She was too close to me. Maybe...No, I had to fight through these thoughts. I just had to kill the man who started all of this. That would finish this. Then everything would be ok. Everything will be...ok.



Count Herluin had to die. He would die, and I will live. That is how it will be. That is what will happen. It has to.



Soon, the highwaymen would kill him. And then this will be over. This will be over.



Though the highwaymen did kill the Count, the other Dukes had been alerted to my treachery. When it was found that I was behind it all, the dukes continued to fight Constance. To rid the country of her...but more importantly me. I had failed yet again. I just wanted better for my family. I just...



I invited my son to my court for a banquet. I wanted to see him again, it had been awhile. He had a new wife though. His old wife had died from some kind of illness. Though I prefered his previous wife, his new wife was a good woman to. A kind and patient soul, I just hope she takes care of little Valerios.



The Basileus jumped on the Sultan of Rum with the full might of the empire.




Nearly 20,000 men marched against the Turks and won with few losses. The Basileus could fuck up over and over again, yet he still won in the end. No matter what, he always won.

I had finally received the letter from Constance I had been dreading.



She lost. She could not bare to lose more men throwing them at superior numbers with worse equipment. They had allowed her to stay as the countess of Middlesex, though that mattered not to me. She asked if I wanted her to come home. I wrote a reply to her telling her to stay in England. I would send a letter with more information in a week.

As I sat thinking in my room, I thought back over things. Everything I had done, was to make my family's life better than mine had been. But here I was at 54 years old, I had been an absent-minded father who was never there. A husband preoccupied with power and money to never take care of her, as well as having lost the ability years ago to even love her anymore. A grandfather who didn't even know his own grandson's name. All of the things I wanted, lost. For what? Power to make things better? Money to help people? I had failed even in these things. My wife had a chance to do better for herself, and even then I was powerless to help but still somehow found ways to cause more problems for her. Yet still she remained committed to me. I wanted to make things better.

As I wrote my letter explaining things to Constance, I began to tear up. I sealed the envelope and placed it on my desk. As I grabbed the rope I had snagged from the dungeon, I stood on my chair to set things up.



It's just one step Valerios. Just..take a step. Just take a step and then...then they can be happy.



Doux Valerios 1060 - 1114

Dear Constance, It has been so long since I have seen you. I must admit, though I know you haven't felt strongly about me in a while, you still mean the world to me. No one in this world has ever cared about me, or stood by my side, but you continue to. Even as I can't help but ruin things for you. I know our 33 years together has been tough on both of us, but you always tried to smile and make me smile. Every time things looked up, you always felt justified, and when things got hard you just said it made the good times even better. But good times never really came.

You didn't deserve the past 30 years. You deserved to have been happy, a husband who could have been there for you, a husband who was actually equipped to be your lover. Though I knew of the men who came to your chambers, I knew I had only myself to blame. I wanted things to be so different, yet here we are.

I want you to be happy. As happy as you've made me over these years. You were the only reason I could manage to go on for so many years, and I don't want to hold you back any longer.

When you read this, I will be gone. And I'm ok with that. I want you to go be happy, I want Leon to go be happy, and even...Valerios. I will just ruin things. Please go and have a better life. Thank you Constance. You made me happy.

Valerios

 

Movitz

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Wow.. that's rough. Hope things go better for the next Doux.

I must say, Crusader Kings 2 seems to be worlds apart from it's predecessor.