Pretty much this, Casey acted and actually acted with restraint. He didn't go all red and crush the brat. He grabbed him and then took advantage of an opening, then he disengaged from the situation. I can't say I would have done better. Casey didn't seem to demonstrate any formal combat training so he simply did what he could to stop the fight. Hell, was he was being beat up on fucking video until he had enough. So not only were they trying to beat him, they were trying to humiliate him to the world.Caliban1972 said:A) "Equal Force" is bullshit - that just perpetuates the current level of violence. If you want it to end, you either have to remove yourself from the situation, which is nearly impossible to do in a school environment because you HAVE to be at school, and you HAVE to go to classes so the bullies can always find you if they want to. Or, you escalate the violence with a quick and decisive strike that leave the attacker unable or unwilling to continue.Jabberwock xeno said:Based on how casey maneged himself, to me it seemed he could have easily just punched back, slammed him into a wall, or whatever.Caliban1972 said:Yes, the bully would have made sure to stop hitting Casey before he injured him, so we should be concerned about what injuries the bully COULD have received, rather than what actually happened.Jabberwock xeno said:Maybe, but do you know how hard it is to accuratly control a entire person so that a partgilar part of their body does not hit the ground first?PaulH said:He wasn't thrown headfirst in the concrete.... His left leg and arm connected with the ground before his head. Bah ... I've seen spear tackles worse than this.Jabberwock xeno said:Ouch.
Not for the bullied kid, but for the bully.
As much as he deserves to get hit back, he didn't deeserve to be fucking pile driven into concert, he could have been killed.
Thowrn into the wall, maybe, but not headfirst into the sidewalk.
Casey just threw the lad ... it would have hurt, and sure might have broken an arm or leg, but I think it's a bit sensationalist to say 'he could have been killed'.
The fact of the matter is, he COULD have been seriously injured. Did he desrve to be beat up? maybe, but not a freaking concusiion.
Brilliant thinking there.
News flash: Attacking some one bigger than you (or anyone at all really) could end up with you being seriously injured.
So not only is this kid a bully, but stupid as well. He initiated the violence, gets to deal with the consequences of his actions. I have not one ounce of sympathy for any injuries he "might have" received.
I'm slightly concerned about what actually happened in the real world, the world where Casey was bullied and abused constantly until he stood up for himself, stopped the attack, and walked away once his attacker was no longer a threat. Some fictional injury that his attacker didn't actually receive? Meaningless.
Hell, he didn't even look bother when he got hit.
Maybe i'm just playing devils advocdate, but to me, what he did seemed unessacrly forecful.
Legally, for self defense, you are allowd an apporate response of equal force. You can't shoot somoen in the head for egging your house, or chase after someone who puched you and ran off, then stalk them to their house and kill the attacker.
Here, casey seemed to go beyond "equal force".
EDIT:
Okay, after re-reading your post, I get what ytou are saying.
he didn't get his head cracked open, or his neck broken, so there's no use argueing over what "may" have happened, right?
I agree with you there, i'm just saying that that's not the best way to handle this situation, and if someone who is being buiiled were to wacth this and try the same thing, they COULD end up killing someone.
Most kids aren't going to think it through that calmly and clearly, but the result is the same - either you decide to strike back with calculated force or you snap and go apeshit on your attacker.
B) "That's not the best way of handling the situation" - this line of reasoning is also bullshit. You and I were not there in that schoolyard, backed up against the wall, being punched in the face and gut while your attackers friends stood around and laughed, and NO ONE is helping you. He was there, and he was alone. Second guessing the actions he took in the heat of the moment and explaining how "he should have handled it" in a more perfect world is useless, and worse it's insulting. He was there, he was being attacked, he stood up for himself in the best way he could manage at that moment. And then he walked away after it was clear his attacker wasn't going to continue, which is a lot better than many teenagers would do in that situation.
I think he did a lot better than most people without formal self defense training would do.
That being said, I don't think his suspension is unreasonable. It gives a cooling off period, making it less likely he'll be involved in a fight again. And the school cannot publicly condone fighting of any kind, no matter how justified. Besides Casey was only suspended for 4 days, while his attacker got 22 days.
Hopefully both Casey and the bully get some proper counseling (but I'm not holding my breathe). Just because the bully is a little shit right now doesn't mean he has to grow up to be one.
St. Mary's is in NSW.Engarde said:This is a strange issue, to be sure. Under Australian law, or at least SA law, where the issue took place, it is actually illegal to record a video such as this and it is illegal to have a copy of this video.
That being said, I don't quite understand why this has spread so much. It isn't like this is an isolated incident and this has never happened before.
... Casey could've been seriously hurt, or commited suicide, had the bullying gone on.Onyxious said:The bully punched him repeatedly in the face: Broken nose.
Not to mention this bullying was a repeated felony: Possible suicide.
And yeah, this.Scott Bullock said:Whether or not the kid was in the right, one thing is for sure; he's got a hell of a career in wrestling waiting for him.
Oh, my bad. Didn't verify that myself, just heard it from someone who watched the video and things. Apologies about that. Thanks for correcting me.TheRealCJ said:St. Mary's is in NSW.Engarde said:This is a strange issue, to be sure. Under Australian law, or at least SA law, where the issue took place, it is actually illegal to record a video such as this and it is illegal to have a copy of this video.
That being said, I don't quite understand why this has spread so much. It isn't like this is an isolated incident and this has never happened before.
No. Just no. Bullying is never acceptable, no matter the case.Chibz said:I condone both boy's actions.
"Bullying" is a perfectly acceptable way of ... pointing out another person's flaws. Only through recognition of our flaws can we hope to correct them, and thereby better ourselves. This applies to both of 'em in this situation.
She meant she wanted her son to apologise to the other kid.Celtic_Kerr said:Wait? his mother doesn't want a video of her son picking on a MUCH larger kid posted everywhere so the BULLIED kid should apologize?
Ahem.... FUCK YOU WOMAN! The world doesn't always work the way you want it to, and don't forget that YOUR kid was the little shit that was picking on others. Your kid doesn't deserve an apology, he doesn't deserve anything of the sort
Exactly what I was thinking. Add to that a mohawk.Exocet said:That pile driver was beautiful,it brought a tear to my eye :')
I'm pretty sure Casey is currently wrestling bears and grew a glorious beard+'stache combo.