Kill 24 people, Get three months in Jail. God Bless America.

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Mephis

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Cananatra said:
It is war. Despite what many people want to believe war has no rules, it is the very embodiment of might is right. So often when soldiers invade a country in modern times these "terrorists" hide behind civilians and modern western morality prevents simply mowing them down. Though I disagree with America's right to go and invade anyone they don't like I do feel they have been remarkably constrained in not simply leveling cities and wiping out the population that sheltered their foes as was the go-to method for the majority of human existence.

In this specific incident they were under attack, in a hostile environment. Anyone can carry a weapon. The attitude of shooting anyone in the area who doesn't have an American uniform, which seemed to prevail in this case, is not particularly nice, but it is realistic. Perhaps if they could have relied upon the civilians not to be sheltering a combatant it would not have been necessary. Unfortunately, it was common for civilians to shelter combatants and the American soldiers knew it.
I'm pretty sure that the main character from The Witcher covered it pretty well, when whe was talking to his friend in the tavern/bar. Nothing is cut and dry anymore, 'evil' or 'bad people' hide and work within the loops and whorls of the law, etc.

So for those who responded with nothing but sarcasm and malice towards the US as a country, I would like to state, "How many times have you had the ability to do the right thing, but didn't?" That includes seeing a can and picking it up, even if it's covered in dog shit. The right thing is to pick it up anyway and throw it out. This is just thee most mundane daily life example, and unless you go up there and throw it out, I'm pretty sure that the rest of you can't even pipe up even a minute moment. The reason why most people target the US is because, well, it's a large country, and does a lot of stuff. And truth be told, it can't even DO anything without other people stating THEIR OWN OPINION, and I'm pretty sure it's been said before but hey, we're probably one of the only countries in the world, willing (at least in a public stance, on a persona level, it varies) that says, "We'll fight for your right to say what you want."

But the quote and the game itself speaks in spades.

But in short, "It's bad to do bad things." But what can you do if the "bad things" are hiding out with the good?
 

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He should be tried for war crimes is what should happen to him. I don't care what the circumstances were, he is responsible for those deaths and he and every one of the people who were party to that slaughter should server at least 20 years in jail, and that's letting them off light, as if they did that outside a war zone, they would be tired for each individual murder they committed. The military protects its own, and this is just another example of that. This is coming from an American by the way.
Since you are an American you are partly responsible for this as well, at least if you could vote for your current administration. After all it's your country's politics that got the soldiers into this situation in the first place, and obviously without enough training to resist shooting innocents in every possible situation (which is a retarded expectation, I know).

Now I'm not blaming you in the slightest for this, but you cant expect something like an army to do everything perfectly with the limited money and time they get. I personally would like to know how these soldiers feel about what happened and judge them accordingly.
 

GistoftheFist

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How typical. A handful of marines mess up and idiots on this thread scream 'fuck America', including the 350 million or so who live here and didn't do anything wrong.

I really wish this country would stop sending all foreign aid to countries that hate us so we could fix our own economy.
 

Sir Prize

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I'm in agreement that the conditions were bad and yes, many of us might have done the same. However none of that is an excuse, not when innocent people have been killed and they are responible.

A three month jail time is unfair in the face of what happened, but at the same time I do feel sorry of them. It's not all black and white, when you put pressure on someone they will evenutally snap and people will probably get hurt. But when they do snap they can't be let off the hook, the damage has already been done. I'll just end with having mixed feelings here, war is hell and unless you've been there you can't really say what they were thinking. But when those who are innocent get caught up in it all and intentional killed, something has gone wrong.

EDIT: Also, maybe people need to back off with the whole 'screw America' thing, other nations have had simialr things happen.
 

spartan231490

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I just don't care. You put a bunch of guys in a situation where they are in constant threat of their very lives from everyone, and they generally have to wait for the bad guys to shoot at them or risk killing innocent civilians, is it all that odd that they crack under the pressure now and again. Yeah, it's sick, but a lot worse things have been done for a lot less reason.
 

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Cananatra said:
Binnsyboy said:
Edit: War has no rules? The Geneva Convention begs to differ, mate.
And what backs the Geneva convention? A collection of the largest military's on the planet.
Aside from that, the Geneva Conventions and the Hague Conventions and simply a set of "gentleman's rules" to war. The only true enforcement possible of them is war.
And when your own troops are responsible, your government is responsible for punishment. Hence why the American court system should punish these guys to the full extent to the law.
 

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Thank you for blaming all Americans for the actions of a few. It may be a surprise to you, but not all of us are baby-raping, foreigner-murdering, amoral assholes.

I don't have time to read through the full articles at the moment, but I am horribly confused as to how he got off so easy. He *should* be in jail for several life times, if not the death sentence.
 

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Darth_Dude said:
But when an American kills 24 Iraqi's all he get's is "three months of confinement, forfeiture of two-thirds of his pay for three months and a reduction in rank when he is sentenced, a base spokesman said."?!!! Not even counting the 8 other soldiers that were Acquitted.
Well, he got something, in this case, the only one being punished was the guy supposedly leaking the video:


In 2007, Reuters called for an investigation into the attack. In response, a spokesman for the multinational forces in Baghdad stated: ?There is no question that coalition forces were clearly engaged in combat operations against a hostile force.?

Read the Army?s report on the death?s of two Reuter?s employees and the wounding of the two children.

There was no investigation of the nine other deaths.

No charges have been filed against the American soldiers in the Apache helicopter who shot and killed the civilians in the video.
The marines in this shooting shot apparently intentionally shot civilians cowering unarmed in their homes.

The Apache helicopter crew thought the people were armed and responded accordingly. Shooting up the people who came to help the wounded is a war crime, AFAIK, but firing on the crowd the first time was a mistake.
 

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Killertje said:
GrimTuesday said:
He should be tried for war crimes is what should happen to him. I don't care what the circumstances were, he is responsible for those deaths and he and every one of the people who were party to that slaughter should server at least 20 years in jail, and that's letting them off light, as if they did that outside a war zone, they would be tired for each individual murder they committed. The military protects its own, and this is just another example of that. This is coming from an American by the way.
Since you are an American you are partly responsible for this as well, at least if you could vote for your current administration. After all it's your country's politics that got the soldiers into this situation in the first place, and obviously without enough training to resist shooting innocents in every possible situation (which is a retarded expectation, I know).

Now I'm not blaming you in the slightest for this, but you cant expect something like an army to do everything perfectly with the limited money and time they get. I personally would like to know how these soldiers feel about what happened and judge them accordingly.
Don't put this on the politicians, they can't really change anything about this sort of shit without pissing off the military as well as all the morons who will support the military no matter what. And it has nothing to do with training, its about going around killing people because either sick motherfuckers who get their kicks that way, or they can't handle the stress, those people are being let in by the military who just want more sponges to soak up bullets.
 

Tsunimo

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Gosh, things like this sure make me proud to live in this great country. /sarcasm
 

Zyst

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I can not ever condone what they did, and it makes me sick to the depths of my stomach, so what I am about to say is in no way, condoning or saying what they did was fine:

I think they shouldn't have gotten a sentence at all.

WHAT?!

Just hear me out, sadly, it IS a war, a war your country waged. So really, abusing their training and killing civilians and such is way out of line. But can you blame them? War has been like that for thousands and thousands of years. And unspeakable shit goes on, the sentence seems... stupid. Want to avoid this kind of crap? Don't go to war in the first place.
 

Negatempest

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Just going to put this out there since I haven't spotted it on anyone's post. Women and children being used as explosive decoys or as hidden hostiles is nothing new. That one woman you hesitated to shoot could of easily had a concealed weapon when you turn your back. We know most of the conditioning our troops go through to become soldiers. We know very little of what foreign countries do condition their soldiers or civilians.

Heck even today a lot of people believe that the Concentration Camps was U.S.A/European propaganda.
 

The Last Nomad

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I was about to make a joke about moving to America so I could play GTA in real life with little repercussions, but as that isn't the case, I'll answer seriously.

This is fucking ludicrous.
Basically the law is saying Iraqis are not as highly valued people as Americans.


But I suppose if they are going to war (A war which is itself pretty controversial) with a country they may as well go full-on fuck-the-country-to-bits mode.
 

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It's truely sad to think that if this was done by almost any other nation those involved would be put on charges of warcrimes and probably executed.

I truely LOATHE double standards.