Killing animals and you (A wholesome guide to animal cruelty)

[lSHaDoW-FoXl]

All right, I've had this on my mind for awhile but I'll get straight to the point instead of wasting an hour of my time writing a segueway. (It's a bad habit of mine, all right?) I hate Peta just like most of my fellow escapists, but I Think the argument, that peta kills more animals than they save, is just kind of silly.

The problem I've got with it is that, well, I'm not going to say that Peta is competent, but I don't think their incompetence is in the very least relevent to why so many animals need to be put down. To begin with, the animals are usually in pretty bad condition and I can imagine Peta's got too much animals in their facility. I mean, if you're going to criticize Peta for this then why is it that the SPCA is exempt from these exact same criticims? They kill tons of animals too, don't they?

There are tons of reasons to point out why Peta is a joke, but I simply don't believe that this is one of them. Overcrowding and animal euthanasia is a problem all animal rights groups face - competent ones included - and it just kind of undermines the entire issue to say that it's the animal rights group them selves that are at fault. If you blame Peta for killing a bunch of animals they save then you're kind of indirectly blaming every other animal rights group that does essentially same thing.

Discussion: What or who do you believe is held most accountable for all the animals that are euthanized?

Someone will probably ask my opinion on it, so I'll say that I kind of blame landlords. If it weren't for houses or certain apartments not allowing pets than I'm pretty sure a lot more families - poor ones specifically - would be more willing to adopt a pet, and the overcrowding would probably be - if not much - at least slightly reduced.

And if that were to fail I guess we could just throw them in the woods.

P.S -

Please, please don't make a People for the Eating Tasty Animals joke. It used to be funny, I used to like it, I once even used it, but can't we just let the joke die gracefully? It lived a perfect, wholesome life so do we really have to continue raping and beating it?

 

[DarkRyter]

Well, you would have to clarify whether euthanasia of an animal is ever justifiable, and in what conditions is it justifiable were it declared a possible choice of action.

And that opens up a whole new can of worms. That should or should not be canned in the first place.

I don't know. This is feelings and bullshit, as opposed to hard math and logic.

 

[lSHaDoW-FoXl]

Well, you would have to clarify whether euthanasia of an animal is ever justifiable, and in what conditions is it justifiable were it declared a possible choice of action.

And that opens up a whole new can of worms. That should or should not be canned in the first place.

I don't know. This is feelings and bullshit, as opposed to hard math and logic.

You missed sarcasm, never miss sarcasm.

 

[Loop Stricken]

All right, I've had this on my mind for awhile but I'll get straight to the point instead of wasting an hour of my time writing a segueway.

Segue.
Now to read the rest of the thread!

Edit: Hm, I hadn't actually heard of this, though I suppose it'd not be surprising if it was accurate. Not a particularly useful argument what with the euthanasia being done out of kindness rather than spite, though.

What or who do you believe is held most accountable for all the animals that are euthanized?

Terrible owners, largely.

 

[Macgyvercas]

If you look at statistics, PETA puts down animals that are fit for adoption as well as ones too sick or injured to live long. The ASPCA and the Humane Society at least TRY to find homes before putting down a healthy animal.

See, PETA is against domestication, so they feel the only way to end that is to kill every domestic animal they get their filthy hands on.

 

[lSHaDoW-FoXl]

If you look at statistics, PETA puts down animals that are fit for adoption as well as ones too sick or injured to live long. The ASPCA and the Humane Society at least TRY to find homes before putting down a healthy animal.

See, PETA is against domestication, so they feel the only way to end that is to kill every domestic animal they get their filthy hands on.

Speaking of the SPCA, that's gotta be one depressing occupation.

 

[BrassButtons]

Someone will probably ask my opinion on it, so I'll say that I kind of blame landlords. If it weren't for houses or certain apartments not allowing pets than I'm pretty sure a lot more families - poor ones specifically - would be more willing to adopt a pet, and the overcrowding would probably be - if not much - at least slightly reduced.

Landlords aren't causing this problem, bad owners are. Blaming landlords is serious misdirection.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Not really sure who's the blame. I guess ultimately it would be the final caregiver.

I dont know really. I've only ever killed maybe... five animals in my life before?

 

[Ytomyth]

I think PETA is just being too extreme to be liked by anyone but the other extremists. Sure, being nice to animals and not test make-up on them is a good thing. Prohibiting everyone from eating meat, not so much.

As for all the euthanized animals, well we all are responsible. Not as individuals (because there probably aren't a lot of people that would actively ensure there have to be animals to euthanize), but more as a species as a whole. We generally see ourselves as the superior and mighty race of this planet thanks to our opposable thumbs and 'intellect', if that's really true then that also means we have a responsibility. Us as a whole.

Oh, and the personal experience I've had with ESPCA has been quite shit too....I once donated 5 euros to their cause (mostly for the fluffy seal you'd get) and after that they send me shitloads of promotional material either costing way over 5 euros and/or using resources mostly taken from nature, like trees from the animals they're trying to save. >.>

 

[Berenzen]

Poor Pet owners (not talking about the status of wealth here) and people not getting their pet neutered/spayed then being unable to take care of/ get rid of the litter, are the major reason why most healthy pets are being euthanized. There aren't enough people that want pets.

As for their animal testing issues, yeah I can see their problem with testing make-up on people. But my Father's has run into issues with them when he was doing research on hagfish, which caused him no end of grief, even though he was following proper protocol.

 

[RachaelIsaacHill]

I agree with you, OP. It wasn't anything I really considered before. I myself live in a duplex, and would definitely adopt a dog from the local pound if allowed. The people living next door to me have one - evidently a few months before we moved in management changed the rules to no longer allow pets due to damage issues, but previous pets were grandfathered in, basically. A lot of places around town are similar, you pretty much can't have any pets (caged animals included) unless you own your home. I never thought about it, but I'm sure that's preventing a huge amount of people form owning pets who would like to.

I also agree, it's rather silly to criticize PETA for euthanizing animals when The Humane Society and others do it too. It is unfortunately necessary for a lot of these places to do so, and it probably hits their employees a lot harder than us. People who volunteer at these places genuinely love animals, and as someone who has had to put down a few pets of my own due to health issues, even if it is for the best, you feel horrible about it. Unfortunately animal overpopulation is a huge issues, and they simply cannot care for every animal that comes their way, no matter how much they'd like to.

 

[NoOne852]

Please, please don't make a People for the Eating Tasty Animals joke. It used to be funny, I used to like it, I once even used it, but can't we just let the joke die gracefully? It lived a perfect, wholesome life so do we really have to continue raping and beating it?

Well I have a t-shirt that says that so... No, I can't say that I'm going to stop using it, however, it's not like I'm going to use it left and right.

OT:
...actualy, what is the topic to be discussed? That PETA shouldn't be critized for the euthanization of animals? I critize PETA for their lack of reason or logic. Also, wouldn't it be better to talk about how animals get in the position where groups like PETA have to step into in the first place? I question more of the disturbed minds of those that cause animal cruelty far more then I critize PETA (just PETA, so far I have no reason to critize any other groups that are similar).

 

[Wintermoot]

PETA they say the animals are un-adobtable yet in most cases they need more time.
about animal testing it should be done but only for the progress of humanity (IE medicine should be tested on animals but not cosmetics)

 

[Jonluw]

I thought it was because PETA protests animal shelters' treatment and euthanasia of animals, and then treat the animals the same way when they "save" them.

i.e. The reason it's bad when PETA does it is that it makes them hypocrites.
Animal euthanasia isn't wrong in prniciple in these kinds of situations; but when PETA "saves" animals from animal shelters and then euthanizes them, yeah, that makes PETA dicks.

Then there' the fact that PETA euthanizes a lot more pets than animal shelters do.

Denver animal shelter, for example, adopted away 18% of the animals they took in in 2007.
PETA, on the other hand, did in 2009 euthanize 97% of the pets they "saved".

http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/682/documents/07%20Maddie's%20Fund%20Long%20Form%20Calendar%2007%20Alliance.pdf

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/09/petas-euthanasia-rates-have-critics-fuming/

 

[SwagLordYoloson]

'Greedy Landlords are evil'?? really, its Land Lords faults that people have over bred animals??? I don't exactly see the logic.. Your blaming them for owning property and not wanting animals to mess it up??? Maybe if more people had taken care of their animals in the first place, not letting them go stray and people actually getting them neutered... Then we wouldn't have a problem with animals becoming rabid.

On a further note, the presence of animals as pets will slowly decline in the future. You ever seen a dog on star trek?

 

[Shycte]

You know, the issue isn't that PETA is puting down animales, the issue is that they give shit to anyone else who does the same.

 

[sextus the crazy]

My main problem with PETA is that they take a great cause and ruin it for everyone by action like a bunch of twats.