Killzone 3 Leaks to Torrent Sites

[Korten12]

Thats still bad logic, it shouldn't be good for ANY game to be pirated. and Thats probably wrong about the 90% as most of them probably wouldn't buy the game either way.

You'd be surprised

And it's not actually bad for games to be pirated as most of those who do otherwise wouldn't have played them. Sure, you have a few fucks who just pirate games cause they can but for the most part it's done by people who don't have the funds to support a gaming hobby - kids (who don't have rich parents), students (of the same sort), the temporarily unemployed and people living/working in undeveloped/developing countries.

You have people who pirate games but still support the game industry as much as they can afford to. A lot of people as a matter of fact. I don't see any reason they should be restricted to playing fewer/no titles just because they weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouth, considering the publisher/developer/etc. don't lose anything by that person enjoying it for free. Especially when doing so will effectively increase their love of the medium, leading to potential future customers for the very industry you're saying that needs support.

So yes, I do actually think it's good for any game to be able to be pirated. The benefits far outweigh the downsides, for everyone.

You didn't watch the Extra Credits episode did you?

If I was a developer, I wouldn't make a DRM, but I would be pissed if someone pirated my game for any reason. Only reason that makes sense is when the game never comes to your country.

 

[googleback]

is there like a TF2 spy at the printing press or something? how do games like this get leaked? surely not a developer?

 

[Revne]

Thats still bad logic, it shouldn't be good for ANY game to be pirated. and Thats probably wrong about the 90% as most of them probably wouldn't buy the game either way.

You'd be surprised

And it's not actually bad for games to be pirated as most of those who do otherwise wouldn't have played them. Sure, you have a few fucks who just pirate games cause they can but for the most part it's done by people who don't have the funds to support a gaming hobby - kids (who don't have rich parents), students (of the same sort), the temporarily unemployed and people living/working in undeveloped/developing countries.

You have people who pirate games but still support the game industry as much as they can afford to. A lot of people as a matter of fact. I don't see any reason they should be restricted to playing fewer/no titles just because they weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouth, considering the publisher/developer/etc. don't lose anything by that person enjoying it for free. Especially when doing so will effectively increase their love of the medium, leading to potential future customers for the very industry you're saying that needs support.

So yes, I do actually think it's good for any game to be able to be pirated. The benefits far outweigh the downsides, for everyone.

Killzone got demos

ps: crisis also do

 

[oldtaku]

44GB? Ffft. Easier to just buy the damn thing on sale at Amazon.

 

[zehydra]

Well this sucks... But as Jim said on Desturctoid (and no offense): "I guess we're going to see this more and more with the PS3, following the hacking that some dipshits claim was "just for homebrew." Look forward to more annoying Firmware updates. I can't wait for those to roll on down...

Of course, you can argue this "won't damage its sale" because it is Killzone, but that's the point. Big-name sequels are about the only things that publishers want to put out now, because they can survive crap like this. Welcome to the industry that we all helped create."

>.> Its a very sad day.

I did not help create this.

 

[zehydra]

But .. but ... but ... Killzone 3 isn't a PC title , this report must be a lie.
Shame on the Escapists for putting up a sham report, everyone knows only PC's harbour pirates and leaked pre launch builds, consoles are fully secure.

all games are developed on the PC, and the PS3 is more or less a fancy gaming computer anyway.

 

[Vrach]

Killzone got demos

ps: crisis also do

Demos tend to showcase a very small part of the game, one that's chosen by the developers

For example, if I played a Crysis demo (was there one? no idea) and it showcased the game before the alien part, I'd go "omfg, what an awesome fucking game, /shelloutcash". If I on the other hand played through the game and realised that a good 50% of it is absolute horseshit because it boils down to an infinite ammo gun and melee mobs with 2 attack types coming in larger and larger swarms, I'd say "hmm, maybe this isn't actually worth throwing 50 euros on". Difference between pirating to try something out and playing a demo is that piracy allows you to see the game for what it is. A demo is practically a commercial. And just like those numerous magical cleaning products never actually clean shit in one gentle swipe, most games don't live up to their demos either

For another example, one couldn't notice Civilization 5's massive technical failures via the demo.

You didn't watch the Extra Credits episode did you?

If I was a developer, I wouldn't make a DRM, but I would be pissed if someone pirated my game for any reason. Only reason that makes sense is when the game never comes to your country.

Yeah I did watch the EC, watch them every week, love the show and respect them tremendously. Which, again, doesn't mean that I'm unable to think for myself. I have also witnessed all of the situations I've described above, so unlike some, I know what I'm talking about. As for the Extra Credits crew, one, they couldn't say "developing countries should pirate games", even if they thought so considering they're on Escapist and Escapist is happy to ban a user for saying as much. Just how do you imagine it would go if one of their two most watched shows said "hey, it's ok to pirate games if you can't afford them" and spat right in their face of their pretty much nr. one rule?

Two, they haven't actually mentioned the problem at all. I'd honestly, no sarcasm or snarky tone in my voice, love to hear them talk on how a person should regularly shell out cash for a 80-100$ game on some 500$ monthly salary. Not to mention students. Hell, even my friend that works a steady job next to studying (which is honestly a fucking nightmare that I'd punch anyone for saying should be the norm) can no longer even afford having her own apartment. Should one prioritise gaming over a place to live? Or should she never be allowed to play a game to relax after all that work because she doesn't have a parent to just pour money her way, even though her enjoying that game would not hurt anyone's sales considering she otherwise couldn't afford it?

 

[ETAG]

i like how the size of the 3D game is bigger than the hard drive on my playstation...
(yes, i own a 40Gb, laugh it up ¬¬)

replacing the HDD of a PS3 is easier than brushing your teeth

 

[zehydra]

Thats still bad logic, it shouldn't be good for ANY game to be pirated. and Thats probably wrong about the 90% as most of them probably wouldn't buy the game either way.

You'd be surprised

And it's not actually bad for games to be pirated as most of those who do otherwise wouldn't have played them. Sure, you have a few fucks who just pirate games cause they can but for the most part it's done by people who don't have the funds to support a gaming hobby - kids (who don't have rich parents), students (of the same sort), the temporarily unemployed and people living/working in undeveloped/developing countries.

You have people who pirate games but still support the game industry as much as they can afford to. A lot of people as a matter of fact. I don't see any reason they should be restricted to playing fewer/no titles just because they weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouth, considering the publisher/developer/etc. don't lose anything by that person enjoying it for free. Especially when doing so will effectively increase their love of the medium, leading to potential future customers for the very industry you're saying that needs support.

So yes, I do actually think it's good for any game to be able to be pirated. The benefits far outweigh the downsides, for everyone.

I'd like to know how exactly it is that you know that it's only "a few fucks", and not, "a lot of fucks".

 

[Korten12]

Two, they haven't actually mentioned the problem at all. I'd honestly, no sarcasm or snarky tone in my voice, love to hear them talk on how a person should regularly shell out cash for a 80-100$ game on some 500$ monthly salary. Not to mention students. Hell, even my friend that works a steady job next to studying (which is honestly a fucking nightmare that I'd punch anyone for saying should be the norm) can no longer even afford having her own apartment. Should one prioritise gaming over a place to live? Or should she never be allowed to play a game to relax after all that work because she doesn't have a parent to just pour money her way, even though her enjoying that game would not hurt anyone's sales considering she otherwise couldn't afford it?

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

 

[Vrach]

I'd like to know how exactly it is that you know that it's only "a few fucks", and not, "a lot of fucks".

The tendency for the best pirate sites to be Russian, Romanian etc. does a good job of hinting at it. As does the fact piracy has been shown to be consistently a LOT higher in these countries compared to developed countries where people can afford games. Also the fact I know a lot of people who pirate games and a lot who don't and the ones that do tend to be students, unemployed people (not by choice, people who've been looking for jobs for months on end) and most of them are from developing countries. People I know that have a decent job that can support their gaming hobby don't tend to pirate them. It's a small sample sure, but I'm guessing it's bigger than your random guess of "all pirates are rich fuckwits who just pirate cause they can"

 

[Vrach]

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

So you'd rather someone be denied a pleasure than have it even when it doesn't affect any third party? Cool. Your opinion. Can't say I respect it much

Why do those kids we help with Child's Play deserve to play games? Fuck them, why didn't their parents get better jobs? Hell, to help those kids, people have to pay out of their own wallet. To help someone out there in a developing country, someone unemployed, a student overworked with dozens of work hours on top of their studying etc. and allow them some relaxing gaming time, all you have to do is not be selfish and allow them to do something that doesn't affect you or anyone else a tiny bit.

 

[Korten12]

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

So you'd rather someone be denied a pleasure than have it even when it doesn't affect any third party? Cool. Your opinion. Can't say I respect it much

the thing is, your on the idea that its a right and not a privlege.

I want an iPod, doesn't mean I should just get one.

 

[Vrach]

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

So you'd rather someone be denied a pleasure than have it even when it doesn't affect any third party? Cool. Your opinion. Can't say I respect it much

the thing is, your on the idea that its a right and not a privlege.

I want an iPod, doesn't mean I should just get one.

If there was someone out there creating iPods without Apple's permission and handing them out to people for free, I'd support your right to get an iPod as well if you couldn't afford one. Sadly, unlike digital media, iPods don't grow on internetz

And yeah, you're damn sure I think it's a right. In fact, I don't understand where you see a difference between what Extra Credits said - someone being unable to get a game in their country and someone not being able to ever afford a game. I'd honestly love an in depth difference explanation based in reality and not reliant on greed.

 

[Korten12]

Thats a terrible excuse, really really bad. There is very few reasons and that isn't one of them. Gaming is a privledge, not a given right. If you can't pay, you can't play.

So you'd rather someone be denied a pleasure than have it even when it doesn't affect any third party? Cool. Your opinion. Can't say I respect it much

the thing is, your on the idea that its a right and not a privlege.

I want an iPod, doesn't mean I should just get one.

If there was someone out there creating iPods without Apple's permission and handing them out to people for free, I'd support your right to get an iPod as well if you couldn't afford one. Sadly, unlike digital media, iPods don't grow on internetz

And yeah, you're damn sure I think it's a right. In fact, I don't understand where you see a difference between what Extra Credits said - someone being unable to get a game in their country and someone not being able to ever afford a game. I'd honestly love an in depth difference explanation based in reality and not reliant on greed.

Uh its not greed, its real life. We don't live in a society of free everything. Plus if you friends wants to play games, like they said, you can play Free To Play games, their is plenty of them.

Also their is a significant different between "not in my country and not able to afford it"

Not in my country - Means you can't buy the game even if you wanted to.

Can't afford it - The game is in your country but you can't afford it, meaning you need to make money to buy it. Not having money isn't an accuse, its not based on greed, its just how things are, money makes the world go around.

 

[Atmos Duality]

So much for that.
How fitting that I finished trying the buggy-ass demo, and now it's leaked to the world.

 

[Nexus4]

i like how the size of the 3D game is bigger than the hard drive on my playstation...
(yes, i own a 40Gb, laugh it up ¬¬)

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHA!

nah, just kidding, OT: No matter how many updates and security protocols sony implements; pirates are gonna pirate.