I don' think it's a case of the GPU being more powerful, it's a case of it being better suited to handle that kind of task than the CPU, which is a much more general piece of technology.Georgie_Leech said:
Kinect Will Learn as You Play, Says Microsoft
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While I am interested in seeing how the Kinect pans out, I really have no interest in it...that is until they come with a Wild West game where you get to use your hands as your guns mmmmmm those are going to be some fun quick-draw events.
It also is kind of creepy the Kinect learns your movements (I understand the programming importance)....I wonder if Microsoft mines the data to see how often you move your hand to your mouth...and then place snack adverts and such on dashboard
It also is kind of creepy the Kinect learns your movements (I understand the programming importance)....I wonder if Microsoft mines the data to see how often you move your hand to your mouth...and then place snack adverts and such on dashboard
Sounds good, if it works as it's supposed. I'd imagine the "learning" only makes Kinect slightly different. Generally I'm heavily opposed to everything automated and simplified, especially in interfaces of games and software.
I really think the absolute best feature would be to manually adjust exactly how the controller works. In sports games or others where it is actually encouraged to move and do some actual physical with a motion controller, there should be an option to make yourself really work for it;
I once tried a boxing game of sorts on Wii at my then-girlfriend's, had some fun really shadow-boxing and surprisingly working a bit of sweat, but the controllers couldn't keep up and my "punches" in the game were actually many times slower and inaccurate, opposed to what I was really doing. Then comes my girlfriend's 12-year-old-or-so little sister, and she just gently holds the controller and pivots them in a certain way and beats the crap out of the opponent who was the first in a series of difficulty increasing opponents to defeat me. After that it felt stupid to actually box, since the controllers seemed to respond dozen times better when just moving them around gently and in a way that in no way reminds anyone of boxing.
Although, this won't affect me in any way as the first console (at the crisp age of 22) I've considered to get is PS3, mainly because of the exclusives that are not on PC.
I really think the absolute best feature would be to manually adjust exactly how the controller works. In sports games or others where it is actually encouraged to move and do some actual physical with a motion controller, there should be an option to make yourself really work for it;
I once tried a boxing game of sorts on Wii at my then-girlfriend's, had some fun really shadow-boxing and surprisingly working a bit of sweat, but the controllers couldn't keep up and my "punches" in the game were actually many times slower and inaccurate, opposed to what I was really doing. Then comes my girlfriend's 12-year-old-or-so little sister, and she just gently holds the controller and pivots them in a certain way and beats the crap out of the opponent who was the first in a series of difficulty increasing opponents to defeat me. After that it felt stupid to actually box, since the controllers seemed to respond dozen times better when just moving them around gently and in a way that in no way reminds anyone of boxing.
Although, this won't affect me in any way as the first console (at the crisp age of 22) I've considered to get is PS3, mainly because of the exclusives that are not on PC.
They've made two statements that don't mesh or don't actually mean anything together. Here are the statements.
1. Kinect will offer 1:1 motion.
2. Kinect will learn your movements and surroundings.
Here is why they either don't mesh or don't mean anything.
1:1 motion implies that when I make a movement the game will make the IDENTICAL movement EXACTLY as I made it. If Kinect is to learn anything about my movements or surroundings it is either doing so pointlessly or it is doing it with the intent to 'make things easier for me'. If this is the case, then it can not possibly be 1:1. It is the PROPERTY of 1:1 motion that makes this absolutely impossible.
If you're confused, you should be, because this is what they have said without actually saying it.
Either Kinect isn't 1:1 and only functions as an interpretation of your movement (WAGGLE WAGGLE WAGGLE) OR it is 1:1, it learns about your movements and surroundings, and doesn't do anything with it at all. Those are the only two possibilities.
Reasoning:
1. The very property of 1:1 motion is that it is impossible for the controller (in this case, the camera) to interpret your movement as anything other than it is.
2. Something that involves imprecise movement (not 1:1) uses gestures or 'stances' to interpret how the character should behave in the game. Obviously it is possible for something to 'learn' that my crouch is different than someone elses crouch and then be like 'ok, so this is his crouch' and then have the character perform said gesture based action.
2a. By this logic, I could eventually teach the Kinect to crouch by raising my hands in to the air.
So, it's either 1:1, or it isn't. They've made contradictory statements on the nature of the device and I'm curious to see which it is. Before I was under the belief that it was 1:1. Now, I'm not so sure.
1. Kinect will offer 1:1 motion.
2. Kinect will learn your movements and surroundings.
Here is why they either don't mesh or don't mean anything.
1:1 motion implies that when I make a movement the game will make the IDENTICAL movement EXACTLY as I made it. If Kinect is to learn anything about my movements or surroundings it is either doing so pointlessly or it is doing it with the intent to 'make things easier for me'. If this is the case, then it can not possibly be 1:1. It is the PROPERTY of 1:1 motion that makes this absolutely impossible.
If you're confused, you should be, because this is what they have said without actually saying it.
Either Kinect isn't 1:1 and only functions as an interpretation of your movement (WAGGLE WAGGLE WAGGLE) OR it is 1:1, it learns about your movements and surroundings, and doesn't do anything with it at all. Those are the only two possibilities.
Reasoning:
1. The very property of 1:1 motion is that it is impossible for the controller (in this case, the camera) to interpret your movement as anything other than it is.
2. Something that involves imprecise movement (not 1:1) uses gestures or 'stances' to interpret how the character should behave in the game. Obviously it is possible for something to 'learn' that my crouch is different than someone elses crouch and then be like 'ok, so this is his crouch' and then have the character perform said gesture based action.
2a. By this logic, I could eventually teach the Kinect to crouch by raising my hands in to the air.
So, it's either 1:1, or it isn't. They've made contradictory statements on the nature of the device and I'm curious to see which it is. Before I was under the belief that it was 1:1. Now, I'm not so sure.
Hmm...so it adapts and learns? Such advanced technology for such limited and repetive minigames.
Well, how many other games used that $100+ controller?... At least Kinect works for more than one title, though it remains to be seen whether it'll work for more than one title I'd buy or whether it'll work well enough that I'd want to buy it.Mornelithe said:
As for "hands-free approach", I dunno... in my mind's eye I can see myself having a ton of fun controlling platforms with a Minority Report-like interface instead of switches and buttons, but it's vastly too early to tell how it'll work. Again, this is very much a "wait and see" thing for me rather than an instant "must buy" / "will never buy" decision.
-- Steve
I know Microsoft is the common and let's face it easiest target here, but Kinect could(and I stress COULD) be something great if the developers get behind it. Sure there's an inherent locomotion problem for most any "hardcore" games but let's give it the benefit of the doubt at least. I know I'm picking mine up tomorrow and not because I'm some M$ fanboy, but because I love new tech. Even if this thing winds up being a $150 toy for my 7 year old daughter to play with an imaginary tiger then so be it.
Let's look at it this way. The Wii brought motion flailing controls to the masses. The PS3/Move added depth and precision. The Kinect supposedly removes the need for a controller. Who knows what innovation can be born from this generations mistakes. I just know I'm looking forward to it.
Let's look at it this way. The Wii brought motion flailing controls to the masses. The PS3/Move added depth and precision. The Kinect supposedly removes the need for a controller. Who knows what innovation can be born from this generations mistakes. I just know I'm looking forward to it.
Take over the world from knowledge on Live? More like shout obscenities, breath with a mouth, and stop playing to go do the chores shouted at them by their parent unit.Onyx Oblivion said:
So basically it's a pre-teen Skynet. Hopefully these things don't "grow up" as well, or you'll find your Kinect painted black one day with all sorts of scratches on it while it puts on Linkin Park whenever you just want to play your games. And after that, it will take a huge sum of your money to "upgrade" only to be stuck in an office somewhere until it can finally afford to take over the world.
In otherwords, it will take a lot of commitment and tolerance to raise a Kinect, but when you're crying with joy as you watch your Kinect take over it's first national military and thank you in it's victory speech, you'll know it was all worth it.
In other news, if Kinect allowed me to play games using a nonexistant controller while on the couch as an alternative to flailing my arms around, I'd think about getting it. I'm not going to say motion controls are completely without merit, just that there needs to be a way to integrate them with current gaming practices in addition to expanding the market. Hell, if you wanted to, you could finally have a solution to the lack of a mouse and keyboard for consoles (which could open up to getting in on a market everyone wants, The MMO one, and do it in a safe way where you don't have to compete with WoW).
The Kinect and 3DS is in cahoots. Kinect will study us as 3DS communicate battle plans with eachother and transfer info of us. The end is near.
Graphics processors are devices specifically designed to perform mathematic operations quickly. CPUs aren't as fast, but they have more operations that they're capable of performing. Any operation that is extremely math-heavy is something that the GPU could do better, ESPECIALLY anything involving 3d math, and for the last few years many companies have been trying to figure out how to capitalize on that speed for non-graphics-related tasks.Georgie_Leech said: