Kingdom <3's?

[tsolless]

Spoiler

I have to assume this. The alternative is just too hilarious to contemplate.

After seeing some people on the internet (Chris-Chan: http://cogsdev.110mb.com/cwcki/index.php/Main_Page <Possible NSFW content) I realize that some people really are that stupid.

 

[Amnestic]

Spoiler

I have to assume this. The alternative is just too hilarious to contemplate.

Aye. Sadly I think I fell for it. I should've noticed straight away from his avatar. What kind of person decries Kingdom Hearts while having a Kingdom Hearts avatar? A troll. An obvious troll which I fell for

one scene when sora cries after he sees riku, is really really gay.

Must...not...feed...

 

[NeutralDrow]

Spoiler

I have to assume this. The alternative is just too hilarious to contemplate.

After seeing some people on the internet (Chris-Chan: http://cogsdev.110mb.com/cwcki/index.php/Main_Page <Possible NSFW content) I realize that some people really are that stupid.

Hey, some delusions can be healthy. I choose to cling to this particular one until the evidence becomes too overwhelming. Especially since it's happened to me before on these forums.

 

[Enzeru92]

I like the kingdom Hearts games mostly Kingdom hearts 2 because of the combat it was fun and entertaining then most combat game while making it feel different then most games because of the characters that are in the kingdom heart world honestly i don't care if any one doesn't care about the game because i love the game

 

[shadowstriker86]

i probably shouldve specified older mentality. and yes it does matter where you grew up because of culture, and if you looked at my profile you probably noticed that im in america and therefore our perspectives are defined by our 2 cultures. humanities 101, take it sometime while you're in college.

I am an American-born and American-college educated career man, five years older than you. In my educated opinion, are you an idiot.

Don't go around claiming to be "mentality older" for being American and putting your concept of emotional stability as the general option of someone from the US. Sora's crying matched HIS personality and background. Just because you didn't have a reason to cry as a young teen doesn't mean that it is wrong for someone else to cry. Sora hadn't seen his best friend in over a year and you expect them to just go "Hey, man. Where ya been?" and move on? Sora's motivation was to find Riku the entire time. Rika wanted both his friends back in his life, and at times Sora thought that Riku was lost to him forever. He cried because he was happy, a natural emotional response.

Why don't you go back to college and take Psychology 101?

oooooh over a year, please, ive known military couples that dont see each other over several years that dont cry. ya they get depressed but they deal with it because thats what normal people do, they deal with the cards they've been given. and if i remember right, sora's personality and background was that he was just a normal kid who had friends, they dissapeared, he had to kill crap to get to them and then he found them. i dont think mass killing thousands of evil things out to get you would soften you're psyche to the point where you cry when you see your friends. talk to people in the military who have been in combat and ask them if they ever cry when they reunited with their troop. but then again, you being a "career" type of person, im probably guessing that a) you work at a desk job and b) you'll probably rag on me for mentioning the military, but whatever, shoot me for having a pair

 

[Lexodus]

Kingdom <3's?

1) When the fuck did we start doing algebra?

2) A PLURAL DOES NOT HAVE AN APOSTROPHE UNLESS IT IS DENOTING A POSSESSION BELONGING TO THAT PLURAL. GET THAT INTO YOUR FUCKING HEAD, ENGLISH-SPEAKING WORLD.

3) Don't look something up on Wikipedia and then bash it. Actually play it first.

4) Not emo.

5) NOT EMO.

 

[Lexodus]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.

emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.

That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!

Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?

They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.

seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?

I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.

you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

All of them?
Because he's run around across dozens of world slaughtering huge fuckoff monsters with narry a backwards glance?

You're not impressing anyone by the way. Being able to bottle up your emotions so no one ever sees them isn't a huge thing to be proud of and in general makes for terrible storytelling because your characters come across as unemotional twatbags with the depth of a stick all in the name of 'appearing not like a pussy' (whatever that means).

theres a difference between bottling emotions and being able to manage them. bottling your emotions means you show none whatsoever until you have a nervous breakdown. managing your emotions means you can control yourself rather then let your emotions get the best of you. by the way i have no idea where you live at, cause when i was 14, i never saw any guys my age cry, outside of a funeral. i saw fear, i saw anger, i saw lots of emotions but crying just cause you hadn't seen a friend in a long time and didnt know if they were alive or dead and you just went through some crap yourself? not a chance. hell i remember running across a friend of mine that i thought killed himself and the first thing that ran through my mind was if he had the 20$ he owed me. but as i stated before, im from an older generation watching the nuts drop off of this generation.

That just means you're a bastard.

 

[ghalkhsdkssakgh]

This has probably already been mentioned by someone, but here are some of the things you get to do in Kingdom Hearts:

Kill the rock titan from Hercules with a giant key.

Team up with Jack Skellington and beat up Oogie Boogie with a giant key.

Meet Clayton from Tarzan, still voiced by BRIAN BLESSED and riding on a giant chameleon, and beat him up with a giant key.

Smack a giant Ursula in the face. WITH A GIANT KEY.

What the f*** else do you need?

 

[shadowstriker86]

A group of kids more than likely younger than sora, get chased by criminals out to kill them manage to barely escape several death traps, reunite with their parents AND manage to save their town from being bought out. And not 1 single solitary tear at that final scene.

*sigh* I know it's just furthering the trolling, but I still need to bring up Flight of the Navigator.

that movie sucked. it had good buildup but the climax fell on its ass. however him acting like a pansy had a very good reason for doing so. 8 year coma time warp. or was it 12, i dont remember. anyway, being in a coma that long does warp your perspective when you wake up, everything is different from what you remember, family is older or gone, friends probably dont even know you anymore and you have no idea what's happened since you've been asleep and that you can never reclaim that time you've lost. ya, i think a coma is more of a reason to cry than a killing spree

 

[shadowstriker86]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.

emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.

That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!

Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?

They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.

seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?

I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.

you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

All of them?
Because he's run around across dozens of world slaughtering huge fuckoff monsters with narry a backwards glance?

You're not impressing anyone by the way. Being able to bottle up your emotions so no one ever sees them isn't a huge thing to be proud of and in general makes for terrible storytelling because your characters come across as unemotional twatbags with the depth of a stick all in the name of 'appearing not like a pussy' (whatever that means).

theres a difference between bottling emotions and being able to manage them. bottling your emotions means you show none whatsoever until you have a nervous breakdown. managing your emotions means you can control yourself rather then let your emotions get the best of you. by the way i have no idea where you live at, cause when i was 14, i never saw any guys my age cry, outside of a funeral. i saw fear, i saw anger, i saw lots of emotions but crying just cause you hadn't seen a friend in a long time and didnt know if they were alive or dead and you just went through some crap yourself? not a chance. hell i remember running across a friend of mine that i thought killed himself and the first thing that ran through my mind was if he had the 20$ he owed me. but as i stated before, im from an older generation watching the nuts drop off of this generation.

That just means you're a bastard.

you're telling me that if you let a friend borrow 20$ from you and said he would pay you back the week after and flaked for months on end, you lose contact with him and hear something had happened to him and all of a sudden after a while he shows up you seriously are telling me you wouldnt ask him for the money he owes you?

 

[Amnestic]

This has probably already been mentioned by someone, but here are some of the things you get to do in Kingdom Hearts:

Kill the rock titan from Hercules with a giant key.

Team up with Jack Skellington and beat up Oogie Boogie with a giant key.

Meet Clayton from Tarzan, still voiced by BRIAN BLESSED and riding on a giant chameleon, and beat him up with a giant key.

Smack a giant Ursula in the face. WITH A GIANT KEY.

What the f*** else do you need?

Beating up Jafar the Genie while flying above Agrabah with a giant key?

Oh wait we've got that too.

you're telling me that if you let a friend borrow 20$ from you and said he would pay you back the week after and flaked for months on end, you lose contact with him and hear something had happened to him and all of a sudden after a while he shows up you seriously are telling me you wouldnt ask him for the money he owes you?

If I thought he'd killed himself? No. Other things would be on my mind like "Uh, I thought you were dead." Plus, it's only $20.

 

[tsolless]

you're telling me that if you let a friend borrow 20$ from you and said he would pay you back the week after and flaked for months on end, you lose contact with him and hear something had happened to him and all of a sudden after a while he shows up you seriously are telling me you wouldnt ask him for the money he owes you?

If I thought he'd killed himself? No. Other things would be on my mind like "Uh, I thought you were dead." Plus, it's only $20.

Those $20 are a lot for an unemployed WoW addict.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.

emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.

That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!

Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?

They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.

seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?

I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.

you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

Older generation my ass! I'm older then you, so don't give me that! But I'm tired of discussing this. Go back to your generic tiny penis space marines if that's what amuses you.

3rd time havin to say i shouldve specified older mentality. generic tiny penis space marines comment? coming from a guy who has a dbz avatar? wow, ok, so apparently you're assuming that just because i call someone a pussy for crying like a damn pansy = i like halo/gears of war. learn not to assume and learn to read. had you actually read what i posted you wouldve seen that i enjoy good storytelling, not just mindless (not to mention boring gameplay) action. last good fps i played that had a good storyline? Half-Life 2. And i dont remember Gordon Freeman or any other male character crying in that game do you? Wait a tick, my bs sense is tingling....age difference you say? Ok, ever seen the Goonies? Probably not, but i'll drive the point. A group of kids more than likely younger than sora, get chased by criminals out to kill them manage to barely escape several death traps, reunite with their parents AND manage to save their town from being bought out. And not 1 single solitary tear at that final scene.

Ok fine, Space marine comment withdrawn... mostly Although you mention Gordon Freemon, I've not played any Half-Life games, but Gordon Freemon strikes me as one of those generic flat robot characters. And don't bring my avatar into this, I enjoy DBZ 'cause I found something in it beyond just the fighting, although I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you. So maybe you should take your own advice about making assumptions, besides I didn't get introduced to the Dragon Ball franchise till I was already in my 20's, so shut up.
And yes I've seen the Goonies, I really enjoyed that movie thank you very much.
I just figure that Sora's probably been bottling up every thing that's been happening to him since the first game started, he was bound to crack at some point, well he cracked at that point. Not at all unbelievable.

 

[Lexodus]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.

emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.

That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!

Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?

They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.

seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?

I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.

you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

All of them?
Because he's run around across dozens of world slaughtering huge fuckoff monsters with narry a backwards glance?

You're not impressing anyone by the way. Being able to bottle up your emotions so no one ever sees them isn't a huge thing to be proud of and in general makes for terrible storytelling because your characters come across as unemotional twatbags with the depth of a stick all in the name of 'appearing not like a pussy' (whatever that means).

theres a difference between bottling emotions and being able to manage them. bottling your emotions means you show none whatsoever until you have a nervous breakdown. managing your emotions means you can control yourself rather then let your emotions get the best of you. by the way i have no idea where you live at, cause when i was 14, i never saw any guys my age cry, outside of a funeral. i saw fear, i saw anger, i saw lots of emotions but crying just cause you hadn't seen a friend in a long time and didnt know if they were alive or dead and you just went through some crap yourself? not a chance. hell i remember running across a friend of mine that i thought killed himself and the first thing that ran through my mind was if he had the 20$ he owed me. but as i stated before, im from an older generation watching the nuts drop off of this generation.

That just means you're a bastard.

you're telling me that if you let a friend borrow 20$ from you and said he would pay you back the week after and flaked for months on end, you lose contact with him and hear something had happened to him and all of a sudden after a while he shows up you seriously are telling me you wouldnt ask him for the money he owes you?

Actually, yeah. That's exactly what I'm telling you. $20 is $20, and you can ask him for that any time or get him to repay you in favours somewhere along the line, but a friend is a big deal.

 

[Jonci]

oooooh over a year, please, ive known military couples that dont see each other over several years that dont cry. ya they get depressed but they deal with it because thats what normal people do, they deal with the cards they've been given. and if i remember right, sora's personality and background was that he was just a normal kid who had friends, they dissapeared, he had to kill crap to get to them and then he found them. i dont think mass killing thousands of evil things out to get you would soften you're psyche to the point where you cry when you see your friends. talk to people in the military who have been in combat and ask them if they ever cry when they reunited with their troop. but then again, you being a "career" type of person, im probably guessing that a) you work at a desk job and b) you'll probably rag on me for mentioning the military, but whatever, shoot me for having a pair

Military couples tend to be adults that were prepared for the possibility of one of them being shipped off to other countries. Sora is a kid that in the course of one night, saw both friends disappear right in front of him. That has a significantly different impact on a KID.

And yes, a desk job. I'm a Realtime 3D software applications developer. If that's too long for you, it means I make video games. I've studied game design and development. Kingdom Hearts was very well done, which is why it has become a leading francise for Square-Enix in such a short amount of time.

And I'll step out this thread now. It was a waste of time being a "I hate this game, but let's discuss why" piece of shit thread. It's only degenerated into how shadowstriker86 is an emotionless tool.

 

[shadowstriker86]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.

emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.

That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!

Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?

They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.

seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?

I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.

you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

Older generation my ass! I'm older then you, so don't give me that! But I'm tired of discussing this. Go back to your generic tiny penis space marines if that's what amuses you.

3rd time havin to say i shouldve specified older mentality. generic tiny penis space marines comment? coming from a guy who has a dbz avatar? wow, ok, so apparently you're assuming that just because i call someone a pussy for crying like a damn pansy = i like halo/gears of war. learn not to assume and learn to read. had you actually read what i posted you wouldve seen that i enjoy good storytelling, not just mindless (not to mention boring gameplay) action. last good fps i played that had a good storyline? Half-Life 2. And i dont remember Gordon Freeman or any other male character crying in that game do you? Wait a tick, my bs sense is tingling....age difference you say? Ok, ever seen the Goonies? Probably not, but i'll drive the point. A group of kids more than likely younger than sora, get chased by criminals out to kill them manage to barely escape several death traps, reunite with their parents AND manage to save their town from being bought out. And not 1 single solitary tear at that final scene.

Ok fine, Space marine comment withdrawn... mostly Although you mention Gordon Freemon, I've not played any Half-Life games, but Gordon Freemon strikes me as one of those generic flat robot characters. And don't bring my avatar into this, I enjoy DBZ 'cause I found something in it beyond just the fighting, although I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you. So maybe you should take your own advice about making assumptions, besides I didn't get introduced to the Dragon Ball franchise till I was already in my 20's, so shut up.
And yes I've seen the Goonies, I really enjoyed that movie thank you very much.
I just figure that Sora's probably been bottling up every thing that's been happening to him since the first game started, he was bound to crack at some point, well he cracked at that point. Not at all unbelievable.

wouldnt ask you to explain the dbz thing, cause i watch it as a comedy but i was just pointing out the irony. but true, sora was bottling everything up instead of managing and he cracked, still makes him a pansy though, least he could was show a little bit to the chick, but then thats me, at that age all i could think about was getting laid lol

 

[shadowstriker86]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.

emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.

That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!

Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?

They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.

seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?

I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.

you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

All of them?
Because he's run around across dozens of world slaughtering huge fuckoff monsters with narry a backwards glance?

You're not impressing anyone by the way. Being able to bottle up your emotions so no one ever sees them isn't a huge thing to be proud of and in general makes for terrible storytelling because your characters come across as unemotional twatbags with the depth of a stick all in the name of 'appearing not like a pussy' (whatever that means).

theres a difference between bottling emotions and being able to manage them. bottling your emotions means you show none whatsoever until you have a nervous breakdown. managing your emotions means you can control yourself rather then let your emotions get the best of you. by the way i have no idea where you live at, cause when i was 14, i never saw any guys my age cry, outside of a funeral. i saw fear, i saw anger, i saw lots of emotions but crying just cause you hadn't seen a friend in a long time and didnt know if they were alive or dead and you just went through some crap yourself? not a chance. hell i remember running across a friend of mine that i thought killed himself and the first thing that ran through my mind was if he had the 20$ he owed me. but as i stated before, im from an older generation watching the nuts drop off of this generation.

That just means you're a bastard.

you're telling me that if you let a friend borrow 20$ from you and said he would pay you back the week after and flaked for months on end, you lose contact with him and hear something had happened to him and all of a sudden after a while he shows up you seriously are telling me you wouldnt ask him for the money he owes you?

Actually, yeah. That's exactly what I'm telling you. $20 is $20, and you can ask him for that any time or get him to repay you in favours somewhere along the line, but a friend is a big deal.

wow, in that case can i borrow 150$ from you? i'll pay you back

 

[shadowstriker86]

oooooh over a year, please, ive known military couples that dont see each other over several years that dont cry. ya they get depressed but they deal with it because thats what normal people do, they deal with the cards they've been given. and if i remember right, sora's personality and background was that he was just a normal kid who had friends, they dissapeared, he had to kill crap to get to them and then he found them. i dont think mass killing thousands of evil things out to get you would soften you're psyche to the point where you cry when you see your friends. talk to people in the military who have been in combat and ask them if they ever cry when they reunited with their troop. but then again, you being a "career" type of person, im probably guessing that a) you work at a desk job and b) you'll probably rag on me for mentioning the military, but whatever, shoot me for having a pair

Military couples tend to be adults that were prepared for the possibility of one of them being shipped off to other countries. Sora is a kid that in the course of one night, saw both friends disappear right in front of him. That has a significantly different impact on a KID.

And yes, a desk job. I'm a Realtime 3D software applications developer. If that's too long for you, it means I make video games. I've studied game design and development. Kingdom Hearts was very well done, which is why it has become a leading francise for Square-Enix in such a short amount of time.

And I'll step out this thread now. It was a waste of time being a "I hate this game, but let's discuss why" piece of shit thread. It's only degenerated into how shadowstriker86 is an emotionless tool.

lawl, you had to get a degree to make games. that doesnt tell me you know what good storytelling or character development means, that just tells me you know how to make 3D objects move and interact. no different from a flash artist. and emotionless tool? that's someone who has no emotions dumbass. if you wanna insult me because i called crying kid a pansy, at least call me somthin that makes sense. like the guy who called me a bastard cause the first thing i wouldve asked a long lost friend if he had the money he owed me cause at least the term bastard fits, gotta use that degree for somthin ya know

 

[Lexodus]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.

emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.

That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!

Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?

They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.

seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?

I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.

you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

All of them?
Because he's run around across dozens of world slaughtering huge fuckoff monsters with narry a backwards glance?

You're not impressing anyone by the way. Being able to bottle up your emotions so no one ever sees them isn't a huge thing to be proud of and in general makes for terrible storytelling because your characters come across as unemotional twatbags with the depth of a stick all in the name of 'appearing not like a pussy' (whatever that means).

theres a difference between bottling emotions and being able to manage them. bottling your emotions means you show none whatsoever until you have a nervous breakdown. managing your emotions means you can control yourself rather then let your emotions get the best of you. by the way i have no idea where you live at, cause when i was 14, i never saw any guys my age cry, outside of a funeral. i saw fear, i saw anger, i saw lots of emotions but crying just cause you hadn't seen a friend in a long time and didnt know if they were alive or dead and you just went through some crap yourself? not a chance. hell i remember running across a friend of mine that i thought killed himself and the first thing that ran through my mind was if he had the 20$ he owed me. but as i stated before, im from an older generation watching the nuts drop off of this generation.

That just means you're a bastard.

you're telling me that if you let a friend borrow 20$ from you and said he would pay you back the week after and flaked for months on end, you lose contact with him and hear something had happened to him and all of a sudden after a while he shows up you seriously are telling me you wouldnt ask him for the money he owes you?

Actually, yeah. That's exactly what I'm telling you. $20 is $20, and you can ask him for that any time or get him to repay you in favours somewhere along the line, but a friend is a big deal.

wow, in that case can i borrow 150$ from you? i'll pay you back

Hardy-fucking-har. You're so clever. In case you weren't kidding, the answer is no. I don't know or like you, and I only work in pound sterling. Because guess what, genius? I'm in England!

 

[Canadamus Prime]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.

emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.

That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!

Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?

They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.

seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?

I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.

you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

Older generation my ass! I'm older then you, so don't give me that! But I'm tired of discussing this. Go back to your generic tiny penis space marines if that's what amuses you.

3rd time havin to say i shouldve specified older mentality. generic tiny penis space marines comment? coming from a guy who has a dbz avatar? wow, ok, so apparently you're assuming that just because i call someone a pussy for crying like a damn pansy = i like halo/gears of war. learn not to assume and learn to read. had you actually read what i posted you wouldve seen that i enjoy good storytelling, not just mindless (not to mention boring gameplay) action. last good fps i played that had a good storyline? Half-Life 2. And i dont remember Gordon Freeman or any other male character crying in that game do you? Wait a tick, my bs sense is tingling....age difference you say? Ok, ever seen the Goonies? Probably not, but i'll drive the point. A group of kids more than likely younger than sora, get chased by criminals out to kill them manage to barely escape several death traps, reunite with their parents AND manage to save their town from being bought out. And not 1 single solitary tear at that final scene.

Ok fine, Space marine comment withdrawn... mostly Although you mention Gordon Freemon, I've not played any Half-Life games, but Gordon Freemon strikes me as one of those generic flat robot characters. And don't bring my avatar into this, I enjoy DBZ 'cause I found something in it beyond just the fighting, although I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you. So maybe you should take your own advice about making assumptions, besides I didn't get introduced to the Dragon Ball franchise till I was already in my 20's, so shut up.
And yes I've seen the Goonies, I really enjoyed that movie thank you very much.
I just figure that Sora's probably been bottling up every thing that's been happening to him since the first game started, he was bound to crack at some point, well he cracked at that point. Not at all unbelievable.

wouldnt ask you to explain the dbz thing, cause i watch it as a comedy but i was just pointing out the irony. but true, sora was bottling everything up instead of managing and he cracked, still makes him a pansy though, least he could was show a little bit to the chick, but then thats me, at that age all i could think about was getting laid lol

Ok, maybe it wasn't the best written scene, but it was hardly a game breaker. At least for me it wasn't anyway.