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[shadowstriker86]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.

emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.

That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!

Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?

They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.

seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?

I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.

you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

All of them?
Because he's run around across dozens of world slaughtering huge fuckoff monsters with narry a backwards glance?

You're not impressing anyone by the way. Being able to bottle up your emotions so no one ever sees them isn't a huge thing to be proud of and in general makes for terrible storytelling because your characters come across as unemotional twatbags with the depth of a stick all in the name of 'appearing not like a pussy' (whatever that means).

theres a difference between bottling emotions and being able to manage them. bottling your emotions means you show none whatsoever until you have a nervous breakdown. managing your emotions means you can control yourself rather then let your emotions get the best of you. by the way i have no idea where you live at, cause when i was 14, i never saw any guys my age cry, outside of a funeral. i saw fear, i saw anger, i saw lots of emotions but crying just cause you hadn't seen a friend in a long time and didnt know if they were alive or dead and you just went through some crap yourself? not a chance. hell i remember running across a friend of mine that i thought killed himself and the first thing that ran through my mind was if he had the 20$ he owed me. but as i stated before, im from an older generation watching the nuts drop off of this generation.

That just means you're a bastard.

you're telling me that if you let a friend borrow 20$ from you and said he would pay you back the week after and flaked for months on end, you lose contact with him and hear something had happened to him and all of a sudden after a while he shows up you seriously are telling me you wouldnt ask him for the money he owes you?

Actually, yeah. That's exactly what I'm telling you. $20 is $20, and you can ask him for that any time or get him to repay you in favours somewhere along the line, but a friend is a big deal.

wow, in that case can i borrow 150$ from you? i'll pay you back

Hardy-fucking-har. You're so clever. In case you weren't kidding, the answer is no. I don't know or like you, and I only work in pound sterling. Because guess what, genius? I'm in England!

well in that case, can i borrow 20 quid?

 

[shadowstriker86]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.

emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.

That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!

Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?

They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.

seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?

I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.

you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

Older generation my ass! I'm older then you, so don't give me that! But I'm tired of discussing this. Go back to your generic tiny penis space marines if that's what amuses you.

3rd time havin to say i shouldve specified older mentality. generic tiny penis space marines comment? coming from a guy who has a dbz avatar? wow, ok, so apparently you're assuming that just because i call someone a pussy for crying like a damn pansy = i like halo/gears of war. learn not to assume and learn to read. had you actually read what i posted you wouldve seen that i enjoy good storytelling, not just mindless (not to mention boring gameplay) action. last good fps i played that had a good storyline? Half-Life 2. And i dont remember Gordon Freeman or any other male character crying in that game do you? Wait a tick, my bs sense is tingling....age difference you say? Ok, ever seen the Goonies? Probably not, but i'll drive the point. A group of kids more than likely younger than sora, get chased by criminals out to kill them manage to barely escape several death traps, reunite with their parents AND manage to save their town from being bought out. And not 1 single solitary tear at that final scene.

Ok fine, Space marine comment withdrawn... mostly Although you mention Gordon Freemon, I've not played any Half-Life games, but Gordon Freemon strikes me as one of those generic flat robot characters. And don't bring my avatar into this, I enjoy DBZ 'cause I found something in it beyond just the fighting, although I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you. So maybe you should take your own advice about making assumptions, besides I didn't get introduced to the Dragon Ball franchise till I was already in my 20's, so shut up.
And yes I've seen the Goonies, I really enjoyed that movie thank you very much.
I just figure that Sora's probably been bottling up every thing that's been happening to him since the first game started, he was bound to crack at some point, well he cracked at that point. Not at all unbelievable.

wouldnt ask you to explain the dbz thing, cause i watch it as a comedy but i was just pointing out the irony. but true, sora was bottling everything up instead of managing and he cracked, still makes him a pansy though, least he could was show a little bit to the chick, but then thats me, at that age all i could think about was getting laid lol

Ok, maybe it wasn't the best written scene, but it was hardly a game breaker. At least for me it wasn't anyway.

me either as a matter of fact, but i was borrowing the final mix version from my friend and ended up spending several DAYS trying to beat the stupid secret church thing that led to the past battles room that gave you the nobody symbol thing and a crown upgrade

 

[open trap]

i actully played a really fun game starring mickey mouse on the snes
i loved that game

 

[Lexodus]

well in that case, can i borrow 20 quid?

Hardy-fucking-har. You're so clever. In case you weren't kidding, the answer is no. I don't know or like you

Next time, read the post before you quote.

 

[shadowstriker86]

well in that case, can i borrow 20 quid?

Hardy-fucking-har. You're so clever. In case you weren't kidding, the answer is no. I don't know or like you

Next time, read the post before you quote.

i did but it doesnt hurt to ask

 

[Tartan_Ninja]

Ergh. Do you even understand the term emo? I hate how its bandied about so much these days.

I'm not gonna bash you for not liking KH, personally, its in my top ten games, but I think a lot of people liked it, cos it was innovative, humorous, and, well, look at the facts;

Lots of people like Disney films.
Lots of people like Final Fantasy.

Its obvious a combination will do well.

 

[Vlane]

i actully played a really fun game starring mickey mouse on the snes
i loved that game

Micky's Magical Quest perhaps?

 

[AngloDoom]

"I totally agree with you."

Is that what you want us all to say?


If you had played the game, I'd perhaps give you some semblance of a true well-adjusted opinion. As we stand, however, you don't like the game because it's got some sad parts and it's got some childish parts. We all understand you have a penis and we all understand you're used to doing push-ups and swinging dumbbells around as opposed to reading fantasy novels or watching the odd animated film, but you should really give it a chance before you voice an obnoxious opinion.

Before I went to see it, the film Up looks like a mediocre attempt to screw money out of parents of whiny children. I went to see it anyway just to go see what it was like. Not only did I like the film, I loved it.

You're making judgements based on the appearance of characters from your childhood who don't have rippling six-packs, the fashion of the characters, and the fact that it has some sad bits in it. Can you honestly say this is the basis of a well-informed and remotely valid opinion? I think the way the characters in the Devil May Cry games dress makes them look like a band of marauding strippers, I think the action is over-the-top to the point of being something I'd have laughed at when I was eight (which just goes to make it awesome) and it tries to screw sad moments our of unlovable characters who go around breaking things with giant swords. Based on this, I should hate the game. In fact, I quite enjoy it.

The moral of this story? Up is a good film. Watch it now.

 

[Lexodus]

well in that case, can i borrow 20 quid?

Hardy-fucking-har. You're so clever. In case you weren't kidding, the answer is no. I don't know or like you

Next time, read the post before you quote.

i did but it doesnt hurt to ask

Hardy-fucking-har. You're so clever. In case you weren't kidding, the answer is no. I don't know or like you

 

[Sup4Punctuation]

well kh is just not understood.The only bad game in the series is chain of memories.And kh2 makes up for it so dont hate on kh because its an anime.Play KH2 or 358/2 days those are the best they will make you understand

 

[digipinky75910]

Cause saving your hometown from developers *with* all your buddies in the span of two hours (or perhaps, one day) is comparable to searching out your two friends who may be dead or worse with essentially strangers against your will with no home, no family, or any control of your fate in the span of what, a twenty hour game, or potentially months of real time, is the same thing.
Military don't cry? Good luck on finding one.

 

[nicholaxxx]

An evil conspiracy of people in black robes that have lost their souls who may or may not be evil but still act all EMOtional isn't emo?

Oh, I looked up the plot on wikipedia one day, and the whole thing screamed contrivance and forced drama.

Too FF7 for me. Give me some believable characters with believable motives, and I'll buy into it.

so because they have emothions makes them emo?


anyway I'm not even taking you seriously because even at a few posts in. Your just saying
'this is MY opinion it is RIGHT and whatever you say to argue with me is WRONG!'

if you actually feel like posting something like this and then act that way when people respond, go on GT or something, at least THERE it's to be expected from its comunity...

 

[Mr Companion]

Why do people love Kingdom Hearts so much???

I don't think I'll ever understand it... Well I get that the game will always win the anime nerd vote right out of the gate, but seriously... it's so emo, and it has Disney characters! How do you take a game with Mickey Mouse in it seriously?

The music is ehhhhhh as well. Actually I think I'm giving the soundtrack too much credit. It makes me want to pull my teeth out, but that's just my opinion.

To answer both of those simultaneously: Because seeing horrible things happen to dysany characters is really fun.

And the combat is good too, and random final fantasy characters (Who I had never seen before) turn up and start some fights. Like that absolute bastard sephiroth who I had never known of and almost wished I never had met. Anyway it is just plain fun regardless of the dysany characters butting in every now and then to be painfully childish in the face of danger.

 

[nicholaxxx]

I hate Kingdom Hearts. It's annoying, the characters have yet to give me a single reason not to hate them, and it's a combination of a JRPG and a Disney game, which are two of the worst things ever.

this coming from a person with a naruto avatar...

 

[J-Alfred]

It combines anime badassery with disney nostalgia. Plus the music is awesome. Don't diss the music.

Oh, and apart from all of that, the game is FUN. And really, does anything else in a game count? If a game has the best story, best graphics, best gameplay, and best soundtrack in the history of gaming but isn't fun in the least, would anybody play it?

But hey, like the first guy said, to each his own. I dislike Halo. But I don't make threads wondering why people like it.

I let other people do that.