Knights of The Old Republic II Ending -Spoilers Obviously-

[Toasty Virus]

So I finally got round to finishing the game, and can I just say...

What the fuck is up with that ending? I know the game was rushed out by Lucas Arts, but could that have went for something a little less fucking confusing? They basically forgot about half of your companions!

Needless to say, I'm excited for The Old Republic now, Can't wait to find out what happened to Revan.

Discussion: What did you think of the ending?

 

[AlternatePFG]

The ending is just really bad, infamously bad... but Neverwinter Nights 2's ending was much, much worse.

I really like KOTOR 2's story and characters, but the whole final level is just abysmal. Gameplay wise, it's somehow worse than the Star Forge from KOTOR 1 and the storyline just explodes into a mess of dropped plotlines and things that probably would have made sense if the game wasn't rushed to release.

 

[wolf thing]

did you play with the restortion mod, doesnt change the ending just wondering

it was pretty bad i thought it would be cool if revan came back and rescude the exil and her/his companions from the planet, but that just me. the game was still great and one of favorites

 

[Anthony Wells]

the ending makes much more sense on pc with the restoration mod that wraps up pretty much everyone elses ending. as for the old republic its obvious what happened...Revan and the exile failed in whatever they tried to do. it takes place 300 (i think maybe less) years after the end of kotor 2 so take that for what its worth

 

[Toasty Virus]

The ending is just really bad, infamously bad... but Neverwinter Nights 2's ending was much, much worse.

I really like KOTOR 2's story and characters, but the whole final level is just abysmal. Gameplay wise, it's somehow worse than the Star Forge from KOTOR 1 and the storyline just explodes into a mess of dropped plotlines and things that probably would have made sense if the game wasn't rushed to release.

It probably has some of the best written characters I've seen in a long time, Kreia is an example.

did you play with the restortion mod, doesnt change the ending just wondering

it was pretty bad i thought it would be cool if revan came back and rescude the exil and her/his companions from the planet, but that just me. the game was still great and one of favorites

Yeah I did, Droid factory was great!

We actually had a thread talking about what we thought about the fate of the exile(Meetra) and Revan. WARNING! MAJOR STAR WARS: THE OLD REPUBLIC SPOILERS IN THE LINK! http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.314732-Poll-Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Revans-Fate-WARNING-MAJOR-SPOILERS#12801238.

I'm going to avoid that thread! I wanna go in blind!

 

[AlternatePFG]

did you play with the restortion mod, doesnt change the ending just wondering

it was pretty bad i thought it would be cool if revan came back and rescude the exil and her/his companions from the planet, but that just me. the game was still great and one of favorites

Yeah I did, Droid factory was great!

The Droid Factory is like a compilation the best HK-47 moments in the entire series, and one of the best parts of the game, a shame it was cut.

 

[The Madman]

Believe it or not but the Restored Content mod actually improves the ending, playing it without that mod is even worse. At least with the mod you know *why* everything is going on. You know why Nihilus was attacking that planet, you get the relationship being Kreia and the sith, you know why you must return to Malachor and even where the HK droids are coming from and why.

I remember when I first played the game without I never got any of that... still a shit ending, but at least it's a shit ending that makes sense.

Still really good though, I think with the Restored Content mod I prefer Kotor 2 to 1 just because I prefer the tone and characters more in 2. The various scenes where you train your companions as Jedi are extremely memorable, I liked that!

 

[AlternatePFG]

The real issue is that Bioware made a videogame equivalent to 'New Hope', Obsidian made 'Empire', and we've now been left with nary a sight of 'Return Of The Jedi'. The main problem with KOTOR II's ending is that half a decade on, and we've still not seen a satisfactory conclusion. And we're not likely to with all this MMO crap going on...

No, it's even worse. The fact that the Sith vs. Republic conflict in TOR exists pretty much outright says that ultimately, Revan and the Exile failed, making both KOTOR I and II entirely pointless.

It's like if Empire ended, and after being left hanging for awhile, Lucas released a new Star Wars movie set way past the events of Empire, had the Empire still in charge, and only made a passing reference to the characters of Empire Strikes Back.

 

[MisterDyslexo]

You're going to be disappointed with Revan's death. Don't expect to much

(not trolling)

But the ending was more than a bit whack. Never liked it too much.

 

[JediMB]

did you play with the restortion mod, doesnt change the ending just wondering

I thought the ending I got when I played with the restoration mod was more confusing than the ending I remembered from the first time I played the game.

I think two different endings might have somehow gotten mixed together, as I both destroyed Malachor V and left Visas Marr there to point any new arrivals in the right direction.

No, it's even worse. The fact that the Sith vs. Republic conflict in TOR exists pretty much outright says that ultimately, Revan and the Exile failed, making both KOTOR I and II entirely pointless.

If Revan hadn't saved the Republic, TOR (or TSE, The Sith Empires) would be one big Sith vs. Sith battle where the Old Sith Empire would be fighting the New Sith Empire.

If the Exile hadn't defeated the Sith Triumvirate, there might not be a galaxy left for the Sith Empire to try to conquer. (Nihilus sought to consume everything, Traya wanted to destroy the Force, and Sion... well, I don't know.)

 

[Soviet Heavy]

The real issue is that Bioware made a videogame equivalent to 'New Hope', Obsidian made 'Empire', and we've now been left with nary a sight of 'Return Of The Jedi'. The main problem with KOTOR II's ending is that half a decade on, and we've still not seen a satisfactory conclusion. And we're not likely to with all this MMO crap going on...

No, it's even worse. The fact that the Sith vs. Republic conflict in TOR exists pretty much outright says that ultimately, Revan and the Exile failed, making both KOTOR I and II entirely pointless.

It's like if Empire ended, and after being left hanging for awhile, Lucas released a new Star Wars movie set way past the events of Empire, had the Empire still in charge, and only made a passing reference to the characters of Empire Strikes Back.

Not to mention completely disregarding most of what made KOTOR 2 interesting. The "True Sith" that Kreia mentioned turn from an almost supernatural foe, to Galactic Empire 2.0 complete with Stormtroopers and Star Destroyers.

Darth Revan turning to the dark side to fortify the galaxy is changed to "lol he failed to kill the Sith Emperor who is totally not Ludo Kressh."

The Exile is relegated from controversial public figure to some girl who flies out beyond the galaxy.

I really wish that Obsidian would be able to give their characters some closure instead of tossing them back to Bioware.

 

[WFox]

Every time I hear something new about TOR, I become very sad. Actually, anytime I hear anything about TOR I become very sad.

 

[Toasty Virus]

I'd rather this didn't become a TOR hate thread...

 

[KingHodor]

What compounded KOTOR2's story problem was that not only did they have to cut out a lot of plot stuff, but that a lot of the info that *does* greatly help in comprehending the backstory is hidden within dialogue paths with party members that only open up once you've built up enough reputation points with them.
Unfortunately, the opportunities to earn these rep points are very few and far between (and can usually result in you *losing* rep points if you choose the wrong option), so unless you're using a guide on which party members to take on which planet, you're bound to miss most of that dialogue.

On a sidenote, yes, I dislike these kinds of rep systems anyway, because they usually discourage any kind of "natural" interaction with your party, instead turning you into a spineless yes-man just to get that friendship meter up (well, at least Dragon Age 2 offered you the option of getting a "rivalry" bonus by constantly antagonizing your party members)

 

[csbears]

It was anticlimactic and made me feel dumb for only getting a handful of epilogue (could i have gotten more? what did i do wrong?) and feeling used for putting in my time and getting such a half assed ending. I hated the second games story for the most part and just like the new star wars movies i liked the first game much more. As for what happens to Reven...well i wrote a 3 paragraph response about that but i decided against posting it to stay on topic. Needless to say i raged just a wee bit and proceeded to foam at the mouth. That shit dont fly with me and its a shame that they did that to such a illustrious character like Reven.

 

[Toasty Virus]

(well, at least Dragon Age 2 offered you the option of getting a "rivalry" bonus by constantly antagonizing your party members)

Some of the cut content actually involves having extra dialogue/scenes if Atton has low rep with you.

 

[sumanoskae]

KotOR II is one of my all time favorite games, but even I have to admit, the ending was wasteful, boring, lacking in closure, needlessly depressing and disappointing.

It felt like everything was coming to a head, the characters, their relationships, what happened to Revan, but no. There's some vague explanation spouting regarding your companions, some more for Revan, and then it just cuts to black. The last scene even contradicted a decision I made.

I find it fitting that the last shot is of empty black space, because that's exactly what it feels like, like you've been left to drift in space, all your goals, all the relationships you spent hours building, the mysteries you spent hours uncovering, abandoned to rot in the dust.

There's no tragedy, no irony, no joy, relief, just a deep, sinking, nihilistic, hopeless conceit.

... Ironically that fits the theme rather well.