Knights of the old republic II: worth playing?
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Actually, no. I mean, they might have been there, but I didn't get them. And I got all kinds of lovely bugs in the original KotoR.DustyDrB said:
Oh man. I just played KotOR II on my 360 a few weeks ago and I swear two minutes didn't pass without hearing that sound. That isn't an exaggeration. I didn't experience any glitches other than that, but it was very annoying.Samurai Goomba said:
Yeah. Despite its issues with a slow start and an incomplete ending, it's still a good game and worth playing in my opinion. I'd download that restored content mod that's been mentioned already if you do decided to get it though. And I'd definitely recommend tracking down the original and playing that first. It's a better game, and while the storylines of the two games aren't massively connected, playing the first game beforehand is still a better option. As has been mentioned, it's pretty cheap on Steam.
You can't find KOTOR? It and KOTOR 2 are on Steam.
The second one is definitly worth playing, though frustrating at some points that seem to promise a sequel or lack an explanation. At one point, you meet a main character from the first game for about five minutes, then you never see or mention him again. In fact you do that with several characters, but I think maybe one or two sticks around. KOTOR 2 assumes that you were evil in the first game and constantly reminds you about what an evil bastard you apparantly were, and that frustrates me a little. These points hint at a third game that maybe resolves these sub-plots, but there has been no news of a third game yet which pisses me off, but now i'm rambling.
If you like Bioware RPG's than you'll like KOTOR 2.
The second one is definitly worth playing, though frustrating at some points that seem to promise a sequel or lack an explanation. At one point, you meet a main character from the first game for about five minutes, then you never see or mention him again. In fact you do that with several characters, but I think maybe one or two sticks around. KOTOR 2 assumes that you were evil in the first game and constantly reminds you about what an evil bastard you apparantly were, and that frustrates me a little. These points hint at a third game that maybe resolves these sub-plots, but there has been no news of a third game yet which pisses me off, but now i'm rambling.
If you like Bioware RPG's than you'll like KOTOR 2.
Ah, well both games are notoriously crappy when played on the 360. So that's probably your problem. Most of the glitches I've encountered have been a little more weird and infrequent. Like having 1 member of my party disappear, only to be replaced by another Zaalbar. Yeah, that's right, I had 2 Zaalbars in my party for some reason.DustyDrB said:
I'd argue that KOTOR II is more connected to KOTOR I than Mass Effect 1 and 2.INF1NIT3 D00M said:
I just blew your mind, didn't I?
Minor KOTOR and ME spoilers.
While KOTOR I doesn't follow the same characters as the first game, it completely explores the follow up to the war from the first game. You feel how effed up the galaxy is after a war, something which most franchises never explore.
Mass Effect includes every little NPC that you forgot about from the first game, but what happened on the Citadel doesn't even seem important. It's mentioned in passing, but nobody really seems to care that the capital effing city of the galaxy was almost destroyed because the government gives some people unlimited, unchecked powers. Even the Citadel's improved security is mostly a joke, and if you've only played the game once you probably don't even remember what I'm talking about.
The Council is still the same. Udina is still a douche. Keith David still does nothing. Nobody changed at all from ME1. The few characters that return for KOTOR II have changed.
Even the characters from the first Mass Effect that you get in your party- Tali and Garrus- don't seem to have changed at all. Maybe Tali more (I ignore her, so I'm not really sure), but Garrus is the exact same character. He hasn't grown at all from the events of the first game. Hell, even if you convinced him not to kill the Doctor guy in ME1, he still wants to kill the guy for his loyalty mission.
Carth has a ten second cameo in KOTOR II, and you can at least see some of the changes in his character. His relationship to Revan (whether Revan was Male or female) and his refusal to let Telos get effed up. Same with Madalore. The environment and the characters have changed. The atmosphere and characters of ME1 and ME2 are basically identical.
I realize everyone in the world is going to disagree with me. They want a sequel that follows the same characters on a similar adventure with nods to their previous adventure scattered about. And that's OK, I get that. I loved ME2, and I giggled everytime something I recognized from ME1 popped up. But, subtle- and not so subtle- hints and nods don't make the games connected. How the universe and characters respond to the previous events of the franchise make the games connected.
/rant
KOTOR II is a great game, but so is KOTOR I. Play both. When you get done with the first one, download the Restoration Mod at http://deadlystream.com/forum/
The mod is under the download sections and called TSLRCM. If you have trouble with anything, the dudes on the forums are pretty active and very helpful.
look for the star wars: best of PC set as that has the first game in it.Vault101 said:
I played them the wrong way round and didn't feel like i missed much. the stories are not true sequels but are tangential to each other; the events of the first are only mentioned in the second and play no part in the story.
there's a couple of things you could learn from playing the first game but that's mostamely minor things, the important stuff can be picked up easily by playing the 2nd
Everyone who thinks that they made a canon for your KotOR I character in the second game:
They didn't. There are bits of dialogue where certain people will make references to the character, and you can correct those people (A guy refers to the character as a "he" and you can say that it was really a "she". They play around with the ambiguity). They talk about evil things a certain character (man it is hard to talk about the games while avoiding that major spoiler in the first game) did, which are canon because they happened before the first game.
They didn't. There are bits of dialogue where certain people will make references to the character, and you can correct those people (A guy refers to the character as a "he" and you can say that it was really a "she". They play around with the ambiguity). They talk about evil things a certain character (man it is hard to talk about the games while avoiding that major spoiler in the first game) did, which are canon because they happened before the first game.
well the first game runs like a dream for me on win7 without any tinkering or breakin a sweat, and the 2nd one i played through the first planet (the asteroid) so far will little tinkering and its running just fine, so take for whatever its worth, sometimes you have to go in and edit things a bit, but a little bit of googling forums makes those problems go away in less than 20 minutesviranimus said:
gmaverick019 said:
Thanks for the reply. I had to work with KoTOR to get it to run on Win7 personally. Wasnt anything beyond my means, but it did take work, and it was proned to crashing.
I figure Kotor 2 would be much of the same. A little tweak here and there and it will run fine.
As for googling... I personally refuse to google anything.(ok, on rare occasion Ill use googlemaps.. only if mapquest is being retarded.) There are plenty of search engines that are still up and running including more effective meta engines. Sorry, not directed at you.. thats directed in loathing at Google trying to strong arm their way into being another apple by poking their nose into everything they possibly can get it into related to the internet.
Personally, I think it would have been way better had they not released the game in an unmistakeably unfinished state; certain characters seem like they should have more to say, certain situations and locations feel like there was something else planned. Still its one of the oldest (I actually got it before KOTOR) games in my collection and I have some good memories from it.
Overall though it is a really good game and any fan of RPGs and/or maybe Star Wars should try it. First game is better IMO, although the second game does trounce most of the opposition; the system works, the characters are pretty good, the locales are varied and the overall plot, despite its unconvincingly unsubtle twist starts of really well and doesn't end too shabbily. Graphics are smoother from the first game and the fact there is more variation in items dropped is pretty good, although perhaps too much is randomly determined.
I would regard the KOTOR games as the best Star Wars games I've ever played.
To the OP: if you're looking for KOTOR 2, try e-Bay or such if you can't find it elsewhere and you really want to try it out. Its strange that of all the Star Wars games made in the last decade, it seems to be one of the hardest to get a hold of; LucasArts didn't release it in their collection (KOTOR, Empire at War, Republic Commando and a few others) a few years back and it isn't on Steam, possibly for copyright reasons or such.
Overall though it is a really good game and any fan of RPGs and/or maybe Star Wars should try it. First game is better IMO, although the second game does trounce most of the opposition; the system works, the characters are pretty good, the locales are varied and the overall plot, despite its unconvincingly unsubtle twist starts of really well and doesn't end too shabbily. Graphics are smoother from the first game and the fact there is more variation in items dropped is pretty good, although perhaps too much is randomly determined.
I would regard the KOTOR games as the best Star Wars games I've ever played.
To the OP: if you're looking for KOTOR 2, try e-Bay or such if you can't find it elsewhere and you really want to try it out. Its strange that of all the Star Wars games made in the last decade, it seems to be one of the hardest to get a hold of; LucasArts didn't release it in their collection (KOTOR, Empire at War, Republic Commando and a few others) a few years back and it isn't on Steam, possibly for copyright reasons or such.
yeah its nothing too bad usually, just messing with the graphics portion of it mostly to go with your monitor and your setup, but none taken lol, ive never met someone who didn't like google...although i will agree about apple (i have an itouch yes..i admit it. its nice and handy.) but i fucking refuse to buy anything else from them at all. fuck steve jobs.viranimus said:
Yeah, definitively worth playing. The ending was horribly unfinished, and.. judging from the voice-acting still left on the disc, and some of the scripting that never went into the game.. was supposed to conclude your relationship building with your (surviving) party members.. it's very good, but without it the game comes off as unfinished.
Still, the characters in the game are deep, and the story-telling is very good all the way up to that abrupt ending. It's definitively more engaging as a whole than Kotor 1. Kotor 1 had moments with the Sandpeople village, or the entire jedi enclave. HK47, a few others. But the locations and scenarios, as well as what happens elsewhere in Kotor 2 are tremendously more exciting. Obsidian also used flashbacks, foreshadowing, alternative viewpoints during the scenarios, etc, that are really good. And no one else really does that - you see the same type of story-telling in Bloodlines, NeverWinter Nights 2, Alpha Protocol and Fallout: New Vegas. But it's not really found elsewhere in any games. So even though it's unfinished, the game as a whole is much more interesting to play than most other games. The pacing is extremely well done almost consistently, so you don't end up with the usual "oh, I guess I'll go on to the next main event, or something". You play the game, and you don't get the impression anywhere that you're just beating monsters to make the game longer...
Like others say, you really have to install the TSLRP restoration mod, though. There are two.. forks.. of it out there. One that includes some user-added content. Another one that doesn't. I prefer the one without the user-added content, because it really isn't generally good enough to match the rest. So even though some writing is missing, it's better that way. Either of them switch out the horrible low-res console cutscenes with in-game rendered ones, though.. so that's one reason you really should track it down and install it. Other things are continuity fixes in the dialogues trees, plot-nods that never were put in, extra quest flags, small things.
But it is the only rpg-game I've enjoyed enough the first time to pick up and install again later. Still was a very good game.
Still, the characters in the game are deep, and the story-telling is very good all the way up to that abrupt ending. It's definitively more engaging as a whole than Kotor 1. Kotor 1 had moments with the Sandpeople village, or the entire jedi enclave. HK47, a few others. But the locations and scenarios, as well as what happens elsewhere in Kotor 2 are tremendously more exciting. Obsidian also used flashbacks, foreshadowing, alternative viewpoints during the scenarios, etc, that are really good. And no one else really does that - you see the same type of story-telling in Bloodlines, NeverWinter Nights 2, Alpha Protocol and Fallout: New Vegas. But it's not really found elsewhere in any games. So even though it's unfinished, the game as a whole is much more interesting to play than most other games. The pacing is extremely well done almost consistently, so you don't end up with the usual "oh, I guess I'll go on to the next main event, or something". You play the game, and you don't get the impression anywhere that you're just beating monsters to make the game longer...
Like others say, you really have to install the TSLRP restoration mod, though. There are two.. forks.. of it out there. One that includes some user-added content. Another one that doesn't. I prefer the one without the user-added content, because it really isn't generally good enough to match the rest. So even though some writing is missing, it's better that way. Either of them switch out the horrible low-res console cutscenes with in-game rendered ones, though.. so that's one reason you really should track it down and install it. Other things are continuity fixes in the dialogues trees, plot-nods that never were put in, extra quest flags, small things.
But it is the only rpg-game I've enjoyed enough the first time to pick up and install again later. Still was a very good game.
It's good, if you're patient. It will break your heart though as it had so much potential.
Great characterisation (again, Kreia = awesome), morals are somewhat greyer, but the evil guys in this are a lot more messed up than most SW baddies.
Great characterisation (again, Kreia = awesome), morals are somewhat greyer, but the evil guys in this are a lot more messed up than most SW baddies.
