nononono taking a product without purchasing it is theft, be it lipstick or game. in the case of lipstick the design of the property (or product) is owned by the person that designed it (or the middle men who have ripped the rights of the product from the designer)and as such they have every right to make a profit from something they created. its the same in the case of games. someone has gone through the effort to make a game and it is their right to have it protected (all though i think middle men like EA who abuse this should have their meat and veg ripped off) BUT as you said for physical products people get a slap on the wrist while they try to bend people over the table when it come to virtual content. What im wandering is what is an acceptable punishment that would fit. im sorry if i confused you with my extreme choices but honestly im not sure what punishment would fit this crime and was curious of your opinion. all i know is that fining the gold fillings out of someones mouth is too extreme but doing nothing is just as bad.Acrisius said:Are you confusing piracy, the act of copyright infringement by a private and civilian party, with rape, the act of forcibly having sex with another person against their will? It's a bunch of bits and bytes, it's not even theft. What do they do to kids who steal lipstick in a store? Slap on the hand, maybe a fine, or community service. And that's for THEFT! Why should piracy, something that's not even theft(neither legally nor practically), require harsher punishment? You sit here and talk about how things are bullshit, yet you're completely part of it yourself. I am disappoint.antman890 said:then what else can you suggest? its all well and good to say that the punishment should fit the crime but what punishment is fitting of piracy? imprinsonment? hands being choped off?Acrisius said:Dude, "banning people" from using computers is like banning people from using a phone or a sending mails. By your logic, someone who has once robbed or stolen a taxi can never use taxis. People steal shit in stores all day, every day, everywhere. Do they ban people from going to stores? Insane.antman890 said:i hope your right on this. i think for something like pirating they should just ban the person from using computers (unless their day job consists of it). when ex cons are on probation they aren't allowed to assosiate with felons, it closer to that model than anything else i can think of and i think its firly reasonable. not fine them into bankruptcy.Acrisius said:Of course they will fight and lobby and do all the things they're already doing. But SOPA/CISPA/ACTA/HERPDERPA all got voted down once people heard about them. If those people are the ones who get to vote about it in the first place, well, chances are they're gonna have the same opinion they had back when all they did was hear about it. You know what I mean? We'll see what happens, but there's a serious issue today with the punishment for certain things not fitting the crime and people are not happy about it. Look at how they fine pirates and whatever. Millions of dollars. Nobody in their right mind things that's reasonable on any planet, and it's shit like that which is creating a divide between the rule of the law and the rule of personal morals. The longer it stays like that, the more the law is actually being undermined and hollowed out in the eyes of people. Can't keep going like that.antman890 said:true that once technology fluent generations come into power there will be more ability to stop this silliness but what would stop influential companies from fighting tooth and nail to protect "their" intelectual rights? they've got the money to hire hoards of lawyers to defend their rights as money hungry useless middle men and their right to control everything even though they have created nothing (execpt a confusing and dodgey system of keeping everything for themselves).Acrisius said:There's still hope. When our generation gets in governing positions, there will finally be people who actually know what the fuck they're talking about in a position to fix things. The retards today are all like "wuts firefox? Is it like irnternets xploder? People us it to steal shit?! OH NO! THEFT IS WRONG! GOTTA BAN EVERYTHIGN!"antman890 said:i hear you. its all because of intelectual property laws. i don't think that it will change in the next 30 years. i used to think that it customers of products with strong intelectual property ties (i.e. gamers, music lovers, etc.) tried to petion for a change in favour of customers, something postive might happen but now i think their just gonna keep going until the act of looking at a game means the company owns your soul. lolAcrisius said:These bastards should be fined to hell for bullshit like this. I absolutely hate how the software industries get special treatment by the law. Makes me sick.
As evidences by all the SOPA/CISPA/ACTA/whatever the latest version is named-circus.
lol sorry if it was confusing. yes they bloody well should be offering refunds but thats money out of their pocket. Hell will freeze over, every cancer will be curable and humanity will have explored the entire universe before they would ever let money come out of their pocket.WaysideMaze said:They should be offering full refunds. You release a product that doesn't work then you should be footing the bill.
I don't know about anyone else, but I was a little confused at first.antman890 said:my original point is that this type of business practice is bad, retarding and stupid and whoever came up with it is stupid, and therefore should be shot and their family should pay for the bullet. it might be business savy to save a few buck but its stupid to alienate ur customer base no matter what business ur in and thats exactly what they're doing.
understand????????????
Luckily by the 10th question mark it sank it. Thanks.
It's partly Microsofts fault, they charge insane amounts of money for patches and DLC.FargoDog said:So wait, they'll go through with an exchange program... But won't take the time and resources to simply patch the damn thing?
What are you smoking, Konami?