WillSimplyBe said:
@Woodsey
*cracks nuckles*
Hmm, I see what your saying, but at the same time, I disagree with your outlook on the characters.
Comparing Handmaiden, a gender triggered accomplice in your mission that wont even JOIN if you have a y chromosome, to the heroine of the first game is rather stilted. If you notice, I wont even talk about her or Apprentice. Actually though, if i remember correctly, both Revan AND the Outcast are canonically FEMALE, so Handmaiden is completely out of canon. I compare Visas <3 more to Juhani, as both of them have taken a walk on the dark side, and as far as just about everything concerning the two of them, Visas Marr <3 could kick Juhani's butt any day of the week.
I also found Bastilla rather annoying, with her whole, "I'm so awesome, I can battle meditate and everything is up to me" snobbery.
I will give you that Kreia was a somewhat annoying character to have on the team, since you kind of get the feeling that talking to her is an exercise in futility, since she gets some sick pleasure in playing mindgames with everyone, and her only responses to your views are "I like you More, Your a bloody twit, or Your an idealistic fool." Which led to me leaving her to wander about the Ebon Hawk more often than not.
But really, other than Kreia, and hanhaar(that was the other woookie), I must say that every other character was great, and their storylines were better. Visas Marr <3 had great story. Especially her redemption, and her showdown with Darth Nihilus was great. She was, In my opinion, the most developed, and possibly best, supporting character in KotOR II.
I dont think you can really say that the characters were bad when all you did was compare handmaiden to Bastilla, you didn't really give any examples or points to your argument there, other than droids.
My response, good sir.
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@Woodsey
lol, its cool, I've written a few full blown essays here as well, I dont fully disagree with your views, but I do love a bit of "Point, Counterpoint."
Well I'll be happy to engage in some "point, counterpoint, counterpointpoint, etc."
First off, Revan is canononically male you fiend! And yes I know whilst not canon, that shouldn't be an excuse of putting any less effort into a character - especially one that was tied very closely to important points of the game. Light Side choices are canon in both games, but you don't want a downgraded experience just because you play on the dark side, do you?
If by Visas and Juhani being similar you mean they were both annoying and dull then yes, you would be correct
Seriously though I hated Juhani and Visas I felt was just boring. The connection she had to Nihilus was seriously under played (as was every aspect of him).
The reason I liked Bastila was for the exact reason you disliked her funnily enough, I felt as if her character had a progression - something which many characters in KotOR 2 didn't have. Yes she was a brat, but that portrayal was spot-on! She's young, but with an exceptional talent and with a lot of pressure on her - that would make many people act cocky and snobbish.
I think the characters in KotOR 2 create more of an illusion as to being more well rounded with the use of the gimmicky influence system - it really didn't need to be there, and you could miss entire chunks of the game unless you licked everyone's arse. The first game was more structured - you learnt more about people simply by gaining levels and making sure you spoke to them often. In KotOR 2 conversations felt like a mini-game; having to replay them over and over until you say the right thing and gain influence.
Again this amplified Kreia being annoying; even in a game, it's annoying to agree with views that you feel are stupid just to find out tit-bits about something. I don't mind the crypticness of her character (at times I enjoyed it), but in this case it was overused and poorly implemented.
I think I came across wrong about the characters. If I said they weren't bad, just not as good would that make it clearer? I was just trying to match a few that I felt were similar in characteristics. And don't discriminate against the droids (especially HK-47 you meat bag) they were implied to play a very important role and in the end were underplayed again I felt.
GO-TO was just a stupid character and that's that. Canderous was so prolific I thought in the first game, and him and Revan had a bond of respect for each other - I suppose that was another problem that I felt; you felt as if you were only there to be a sidekick to a better and more powerful character that you'd already played.
Atton Rand I must admit was a very interesting character, and would of been someone who I would of been happy to see appear in either game - very well written and very well acted. He had a dark back story, but he was layered so that he just acted like he didn't care about anything. This was something similar to Carth who blamed himself about his family's death (his wife's at least) and the betrayal of Saul Karath. He became different to hide it.
I just enjoyed finding out about the characters in the first game, and found them to be better written and performed then those in KotOR 2.
By the way, quote me if you want to talk about it or I may never know you've replied!
