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What an interesting train of thought. Honesty and truth are aspects I will have to ponder in my personality for a little while, since I recently watched JFK and it leads me to consideration points.
In some cases, there is a difference between honesty as presented as truth, and honesty as presented as brutal candor.
I've heard it said 'Love without honesty is sentimentality; honesty without love is cruelty.'. There's some emotion in the functionality of telling it how it is.
In some cases, there is a difference between honesty as presented as truth, and honesty as presented as brutal candor.
I've heard it said 'Love without honesty is sentimentality; honesty without love is cruelty.'. There's some emotion in the functionality of telling it how it is.
I say you did the right thing by telling the truth, but sometimes you have to be careful how you say it.
I'm in the military and this is a skill you have to have. Unlike moost of the world, disrespect is a punishable crime in the military. That being said, you can't lie either (also a crime). So when that General tells you he wants to pay for a new swimming pool on base with the budget set aside for ammunition you have to tell him no. But he's not just going to take no for an answer, you also have to tell him why he can't have that new pool. Usually saying "because you're retarted" doesn't go over too well. It may be true, but it's unnecessary.
You had some good points, but you could've worded them a little more tactfully during your board. Instead of saying the system is bad, say you want to make it better. Both are true, but one doesn't make someone feel responsible for it being bad. Acquiring this skill will help you in any enviorment. Civilian and military.
As far as the board members go, they should have left their personal feelings at the door. I've been around the scouting enviorment most my life. Your board should not have been about what they thought of you, but if they thought you would make a good leader. Though, saying you'll only show up every once in a while doesn't make the greatest leaders. It all depends on what your "other" time is being spent on. If you're not showing up cause you had an awesome drinking party to go to, then I certainly would rather someone else be the leader. Just saying.
I'm in the military and this is a skill you have to have. Unlike moost of the world, disrespect is a punishable crime in the military. That being said, you can't lie either (also a crime). So when that General tells you he wants to pay for a new swimming pool on base with the budget set aside for ammunition you have to tell him no. But he's not just going to take no for an answer, you also have to tell him why he can't have that new pool. Usually saying "because you're retarted" doesn't go over too well. It may be true, but it's unnecessary.
You had some good points, but you could've worded them a little more tactfully during your board. Instead of saying the system is bad, say you want to make it better. Both are true, but one doesn't make someone feel responsible for it being bad. Acquiring this skill will help you in any enviorment. Civilian and military.
As far as the board members go, they should have left their personal feelings at the door. I've been around the scouting enviorment most my life. Your board should not have been about what they thought of you, but if they thought you would make a good leader. Though, saying you'll only show up every once in a while doesn't make the greatest leaders. It all depends on what your "other" time is being spent on. If you're not showing up cause you had an awesome drinking party to go to, then I certainly would rather someone else be the leader. Just saying.
First and foremost, from one Eagle to another, congratulations on attaining Eagle Scout.
On-Topic: Honesty is something seldom seen, but it's not always something that needs to be heard. It's not a habit/trait that should be broken or kept forever, but just moderated. There's a difference between constructive criticism, and just plain criticism.
First point: I said the same in mine, but I more used that my life would be going in a new direction away from my Troop, but I will still keep the aspects of Scouting with me. It's honest, but it's not saying what I was really thinking, "I like Scouting, and it taught me a lot, I want to leave that Troop because the people there are jerks."
Second Point: I know this all too well. One kid got his project signed off for planting a few trees in a park, which we got done in an hour or so. The park people had to go and redo it anyway because he planted them where they didn't want him to plant them, and he refused to go back and fix it.
I don't really know what to tell you there, except there's a lot of people out there that made Eagle that don't deserve it. But all you can do is to try your best to make sure you deserved your rank.
Third Point: If you see something wrong with a Troop, Patrol, or Scout, don't tell them how it's wrong, say how it can be improved. There is a difference between "They stopped caring about my Patrol" and "Our Troop was short-handed, which made my Scouting career much more difficult within the Troop."
Don't lose the honesty you have, but just remember to choose your words wisely. You can still be honest, but no need to be brutally so.
On-Topic: Honesty is something seldom seen, but it's not always something that needs to be heard. It's not a habit/trait that should be broken or kept forever, but just moderated. There's a difference between constructive criticism, and just plain criticism.
First point: I said the same in mine, but I more used that my life would be going in a new direction away from my Troop, but I will still keep the aspects of Scouting with me. It's honest, but it's not saying what I was really thinking, "I like Scouting, and it taught me a lot, I want to leave that Troop because the people there are jerks."
Second Point: I know this all too well. One kid got his project signed off for planting a few trees in a park, which we got done in an hour or so. The park people had to go and redo it anyway because he planted them where they didn't want him to plant them, and he refused to go back and fix it.
I don't really know what to tell you there, except there's a lot of people out there that made Eagle that don't deserve it. But all you can do is to try your best to make sure you deserved your rank.
Third Point: If you see something wrong with a Troop, Patrol, or Scout, don't tell them how it's wrong, say how it can be improved. There is a difference between "They stopped caring about my Patrol" and "Our Troop was short-handed, which made my Scouting career much more difficult within the Troop."
Don't lose the honesty you have, but just remember to choose your words wisely. You can still be honest, but no need to be brutally so.
Never stop being honest, man. Granted, use tact, but always be honest. I've pissed off quite a few people, including my family, by being honest, but I don't regret it because they asked a question first. And I'd like to meet the person who's trustworthy but not honest.
Honesty is defiantly a virtue, but so also is tactfulness. Sometimes it is better to express your honesty in such a way that it causes minimum offence whilst still getting your message across. Once you've mastered that, you can do well in life.
BaronAsh said:
I'm in Scouts
It's like that scene in Scrubs when the Janitor is himself with Lady. He lets all his craziness out in one go and Lady is a little scared. Then i dunno someone told him to do it in little bits or some shit anyway the point is: being an honest person is about being honest in spirit and not manipulting others for your own good. It's not the same as telling the truth all the time
I figure trushworthy falls into line with honest. If you're not honest, you're not trushworthy. I think what was probably needed was tact. Being honest while softening the blow to help protect others egos is a handy skill to have. Those guys do come off as being a bit butthurt but not really knowing both sides makes it really hard to tell.