Ladies... You Know What I've Never, Not Once, Done In My Entire Life?

[Abomination]

Hold on, from some of the comments here I'm noticing some men consider it okay to take a piss when the toilet seat is DOWN?

You piss stading up when the seat is down? Were you raised in a fucking cave?

Lift the seat, take a piss. You now have a wider target and it's actually easier to clean should you fail at basic Man 101.

 

[Psykoma]

Used to be that normally I would end up looking at the toilet seat before sitting down, but on those occasional times when it's 2-3 am, and I'm stumbling half-asleep, terrified of the prospect of the solar flare induced by turning on the bathroom light, and I would take a leap of faith.

But now, no matter who you are, in my place you put the seat and lid down before you flush and you leave them there for the next person to arrange as they like.

 

[StBishop]

My problem isn't that I don't notice if the lid is open or not. It's that I don't feel I should be the one responsible for touching that nasty toilet seat that dudes routinely splash their pee all over (and subsequently fail to clean off). It's just a matter of common courtesy.

Wait what?

There's a number of ways what you said could be interpreted but I'll just try clarify where I think you're going because from where I'm standing I can't think of a single meaning to your post which isn't ridiculous.

1. I assume you only touch the seat (not the actual porcelain).
2. No one actually pisses everywhere. I'm dead serious.
A person who is in complete control of their faculties will almost always lift the seat (meaning it stays clean) and even if someone drips or sprays (on the porcelain), everyone I know will clean up a non-public toilet. I've never seen a privately owned (as in, in a person's house) toilet have any urine on it, people clean up.
3. What do you think we (males) have to do in public toilets?
4. You think anyone wants to touch the seat? Of course not. Your post comes off a little, ... douchey, spoiled, entitled, cuntish, off.

To the people who put down the toilet seat and lid, I use to do that, but people somehow forget to flush occasionally and will put the lid down (because they notice that's how it was when they entered) and it becomes awful.

To be honest, I don't even think about it any more, I just do whatever.

 

[StBishop]

I really only know women and I only sit on a public toilet is I REALLY have to, so no real worries about a dirty toilet seat. I think I would notice if there was a puddle before I sat down anyway, I never put my fanny anywhere without looking first.

Protip: In many English speaking countries a fanny is a vagina. The internet is an international community, it helps to keep that kind of thing in mind. For example when I put on my thongs, I would say "pluggers" on the internet; because I don't mean underwear, I mean footwear.

Spoiler: like this

 

[Burst6]

weird dynamic with guys and sitting down. i remember a friend of mine telling me it was girly or gay (funny he turned out to be gay) to pee sitting down and yet there is no reason to pee standing up except laziness and "i'm a man rawr!!"

Actually, depending on your...equipment, and the toilet itself, it can dip into the water. yes it's gross. yes it happens. I used to prefer sitting down, tbh, but it just became a problem.

Depending on the toilet, it can touch the bowl too. That's far more disgusting and uncomfortable than just toilet water. Imagine having to sit down when you have morning wood when the last person took an especially large shit but didn't use the brush to clean what the flush missed. Eeeeew.


OT: in my household the rule is to leave the seat as you want and let the next person put it up or down depending on how they want. Simple.

 

[Quazimofo]

I recall this being discussed several times already. It was a lot tamer than what you're hoping for, OP.

I don't put the seat down for anyone; I just always thought it was weird to have the toilet sitting open...

Yeah, me too - I mean, I find it weird - I actually just put both the seat and the lid down. When I live alone - it's fine. If I live with somebody else, it's fine. It's equal to both genders, too.

I keep it down all the time for fear my cats will try to drink out of it (they have no boundaries; they drink from the sink when it is running, they hop on the counter to get bits of cheese or meat or popcorn or chips and such, they drink from our water glasses when they are sitting on a solid surface... No boundaries)

but yeah, i can see when you are about to explode someone not doing a quick toilet-seat check for little bits of god knows what, but otherwise why the hell wouldn't you? There is NO guarantee that it will be pristine unless you keep it that way and live alone. Seriously, even if the people you live with are clean people, there are oversights!

Be responsible for the cleanliness of your bottom people, dont blame people who make it dirty (unless its REALLY bad, but i digress), just check it yourself!

 

[Rule Britannia]

I haven't ever had a problem with this because I put the seat and the lid down regardless of whether I take a piss or a shit. Nobody wins, nobody loses, fair.

 

[Quazimofo]

weird dynamic with guys and sitting down. i remember a friend of mine telling me it was girly or gay (funny he turned out to be gay) to pee sitting down and yet there is no reason to pee standing up except laziness and "i'm a man rawr!!"

Actually, depending on your...equipment, and the toilet itself, it can dip into the water. yes it's gross. yes it happens. I used to prefer sitting down, tbh, but it just became a problem.

Depending on the toilet, it can touch the bowl too. That's far more disgusting and uncomfortable than just toilet water. Imagine having to sit down when you have morning wood when the last person took an especially large shit but didn't use the brush to clean what the flush missed. Eeeeew.


OT: in my household the rule is to leave the seat as you want and let the next person put it up or down depending on how they want. Simple.

but of course, morning wood makes it difficult to use the toilet no matter what you do. Standing up, sitting down, leaning oddly over it; there is no way for it to end well with the extra blood-flow to.... that.

Luckily my house has 4 bathrooms so i never am unable to reach a clean toilet when in an emergency or dealing with morning wood. I dont know who thought it would be a good idea to put 4 bathrooms in such a small house, but goddamn am i thankful. Too bad they screwed up everything else (for example, it leaks in 4 of the 6 main rooms and one of the closets. We literally run out of buckets/bowls sometimes now to catch the water)

 

[axlryder]

My problem isn't that I don't notice if the lid is open or not. It's that I don't feel I should be the one responsible for touching that nasty toilet seat that dudes routinely splash their pee all over (and subsequently fail to clean off). It's just a matter of common courtesy.

No, it's not common courtesy, it's sexism. Why does a man have to put it down just so a woman doesn't have to put it up?

This is a joke right? You can't seriously claim that this has anything to do with sexism right? Because really, you need to learn to pick your battles and point out actual sexism against men rather than this petty shit.

actually, it is sexism. Very mild sexism in the grand scheme of things (and honestly has no real affect on society as a whole nor is this a grave injustice), but sexism never the less. to expect men to capitulate for no other reason than because they are men and therefore are inferior.

There are plenty of posters from both genders in this thread who have rules that are a bit more fair like majority rules or putting the toilet lid down (some rules in which gender doesnt matter. GASP! it is almost like gender equality! madness!). Hell most guys dont want the toilet seat being up being the default position, we want there to be NO default position which is fair to BOTH sexes, rather than..you know..treat guys like second class citizens.

that said, some of the posters in this thread have made some good arguments for putting the toilet lid down. It does look better and it equally inconviences everyone, thereby ending the debate once and for all.

I really don't see how it is. For example, I have my own apartment, and I like to keep it neat. I keep my toilet seat down, and I expect that any of my guests would leave my bathroom the same way it looked when they came in. Which means that if you put the toilet seat up, you need to put it back down. And if you splashed pee somewhere because aiming is hard or whatever and you can't pee sitting down, I would expect that you take care of that as well.

I would expect my female guests to properly discard/dispose of their female nasty shit, such as tampons, just the same, in a manner that doesn't require me to go near it. If women needed to move the toilet seat from its default position every time they peed, then it would be fair for that duty to fall on us as well.

Well in your situation I think it depends largely on the relationship you have with the individual. If it's a guest, I'd think it'd be natural that they would leave the bathroom as tidy, if not tidier, than how it was left. If it was your partner, on the other hand, then I could see it being less a courtesy thing, and more a "do things my way" sort of thing. For arguments sake, let's say you shared the rent so that it wasn't about 'whose' apartment it is. Also, it's not necessarily easy for some guys to pee sitting down, depending on the toilet.

That said, I personally think it looks better with the lids down, so I'm not going to try and levy an argument against keeping it down all the time.

 

[StBishop]

I keep it down all the time for fear my cats will try to drink out of it (they have no boundaries; they drink from the sink when it is running, they hop on the counter to get bits of cheese or meat or popcorn or chips and such, they drink from our water glasses when they are sitting on a solid surface... No boundaries)

That is straight up disgusting.

It's not the cats which don't have the boundaries, it's you. Cats don't automatically know "You can walk on any surface you like except the kitchen bench and dinner table" you have to teach them that shit. If you didn't teach it, then you're the one without boundaries. Don't blame the cat.

 

[BeanDelphiki]

I keep it down all the time for fear my cats will try to drink out of it (they have no boundaries; they drink from the sink when it is running, they hop on the counter to get bits of cheese or meat or popcorn or chips and such, they drink from our water glasses when they are sitting on a solid surface... No boundaries)

That is straight up disgusting.

It's not the cats which don't have the boundaries, it's you. Cats don't automatically know "You can walk on any surface you like except the kitchen bench and dinner table" you have to teach them that shit. If you didn't teach it, then you're the one without boundaries. Don't blame the cat.

I've owned eight cats in my life, and never had ONE that was as trainable as you suggest here, regardless of the method used to deter said cats. Nice try, dude who's never owned a cat.


OT: I hate dudes who don't put the toilet seat down. Including in the men's. No, I don't want to touch the seat, or waste toilet paper to touch it, or damage everyone's hearing knocking it down, or, or, or...

It's called a SEAT for a reason, don't be such a self-centered asshole.

 

[Rose and Thorn]

I really only know women and I only sit on a public toilet is I REALLY have to, so no real worries about a dirty toilet seat. I think I would notice if there was a puddle before I sat down anyway, I never put my fanny anywhere without looking first.

Protip: In many English speaking countries a fanny is a vagina. The internet is an international community, it helps to keep that kind of thing in mind. For example when I put on my thongs, I would say "pluggers" on the internet; because I don't mean underwear, I mean footwear.

Spoiler: like this

Thanks for the tip but I already knew that! I know fanny and thongs multiple meanings, although I have never heard the word "pluggers" used for thongs/flip flops. Don't forget the internet is a international community and a lot of people will assume "pluggers" refers to this.

 

[Quazimofo]

I keep it down all the time for fear my cats will try to drink out of it (they have no boundaries; they drink from the sink when it is running, they hop on the counter to get bits of cheese or meat or popcorn or chips and such, they drink from our water glasses when they are sitting on a solid surface... No boundaries)

That is straight up disgusting.

It's not the cats which don't have the boundaries, it's you. Cats don't automatically know "You can walk on any surface you like except the kitchen bench and dinner table" you have to teach them that shit. If you didn't teach it, then you're the one without boundaries. Don't blame the cat.

We have been smackin' em off (not hard mind you, more like a bop on the nose), shoo-ing them off, spraying water on them, every time they do that crap, and they still try.

Ive never seen them try the toilet, but I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[SweetShark]

You know the irony about the toilet is?
The toilet is cleaner that the keyboard we all use from our computers.
Of course nobody really care because our mind "learned" to see as a fact the toilets are the dirtiest places in our houses.......which in reality is the most cleaner.

So, no, I never really had a problem to see if my toilet seat is cleaner, because I touch FAR WORSE things in other parts in my house.

 

[Weaver]

I put the whole lid down. The lid helps block bacteria and odours from polluting your bathroom.
It was invented for a reason.

 

[Quaxar]

You know the irony about the toilet is?
The toilet is cleaner that the keyboard we all use from our computers.
Of course nobody really care because our mind "learned" to see as a fact the toilets are the dirtiest places in our houses.......which in reality is the most cleaner.

So, no, I never really had a problem to see if my toilet seat is cleaner, because I touch FAR WORSE things in other parts in my house.

That's silly.

First off, the study everyone constantly refers to was mainly performed in public environments where multiple people from different backgrounds interact on a daily basis and professional cleaning staff take care of the facilities each day. And apparently the only goal was to prove that there were more bacteria because it seems all the study showed as result were numbers of bacteria cultures, which I could produce 50 from baker's yeast right now, then scrape off and ingest without issues.
Fact is that having more bacteria doesn't mean more bad, the human body is about 1kg of bacteria, that doesn't mean anything though unless it's something new and bad.

Also, public bathrooms are frequented by many people, most keyboards are more or less one user. And while toilets aren't particularly good growing grounds for bacteria and the skin is a good insulation the chance to catch something from a bathroom is still higher than from your keyboard since a lot of viruses and parasite eggs don't care much for difficult environments and the chance of coming in contact with proper pathogens (normal E.coli from anyone's colon or actual infections that spread through urine or feces) is higher than catching something you don't already have from a keyboard only you use.

Anyway, I'm not saying be afraid of toilets (or only less than letting a dog lick your face) but people referring to this study as a point always irks me.

 

[StBishop]

I keep it down all the time for fear my cats will try to drink out of it (they have no boundaries; they drink from the sink when it is running, they hop on the counter to get bits of cheese or meat or popcorn or chips and such, they drink from our water glasses when they are sitting on a solid surface... No boundaries)

That is straight up disgusting.

It's not the cats which don't have the boundaries, it's you. Cats don't automatically know "You can walk on any surface you like except the kitchen bench and dinner table" you have to teach them that shit. If you didn't teach it, then you're the one without boundaries. Don't blame the cat.

I've owned eight cats in my life, and never had ONE that was as trainable as you suggest here, regardless of the method used to deter said cats. Nice try, dude who's never owned a cat.


OT: I hate dudes who don't put the toilet seat down. Including in the men's. No, I don't want to touch the seat, or waste toilet paper to touch it, or damage everyone's hearing knocking it down, or, or, or...

It's called a SEAT for a reason, don't be such a self-centered asshole.

I've owned 3 my family have owned many more over the years. All of my cats are/have been trainable in the way I was suggesting, for example my current catis laying on my computer desk as I type this, but he doesn't go on the kitchen counter and when I had a dining table he didn't go on there either. He also doesn't bring animals into the house.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

Uh oh...someone got yelled at by his girlfriend but he can't yell back so he's on the internet!

Anyway, I put the toilet seat & lid down and I'm a single dude. I don't put the seat down for anyone; I just always thought it was weird to have the toilet sitting open...

I have to agree with him to a point though. Who doesn't look down before he sits down? I mean I always check the seat for urine or something. And don't give me that whole I'm blind thing I have -12 power in each eye and I still can see whether or not the toilet seat is down. Also the whole men can stand up so if they have to pee really bad its easy for them to do it because they don't have to sit down, but we still need to lift the seat first.

I keep the toilet seat down for one simple reason, because I'm told to. Yes I'm whipped, but I am a heavily rewarded whipped husband.

 

[Kargathia]

I recall this being discussed several times already. It was a lot tamer than what you're hoping for, OP.

If anyone manages to have a flame war over the state of their toilet seats, I will be impressed. For all of three seconds.