Language capabilities around the world

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Vildleder

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Hi Escapists, my first topic ever, yay!

Anyway, what I wanted to talk about was the language proficiency of different countries around the world, with a particular focus on the United Kingdom. Being a Dane who has lived 6 years of his life in the UK and spent all of that time in school, I was genuinely shocked when I moved back to Denmark and started College just a few months ago: I realised that the standard, run-of-the-mill level of language proficiency in secondary languages (anything but the mother-tongue) is extremely below par in the UK compared to, specifically Denmark, but I assume many other European countries as well.

Now, I got an A in my German GCSE, top of my class, and when I moved back I could barely cope in my new German class as the language proficiency was so much higher overall. This couldn't have been due to a higher level of learning now that we're in College, as the first thing my teacher told us was that 'We're gonna start right from the bottom, and work our way up'. So I was quite shocked when I dropped not a few grades, and I've had to work extremely hard to bring my game up, so to speak.

This wasn't just in German, it was in all languages being studied at the College, and when coupled with the fact that nearly all College level Danes already have a fair grasp of the English language (I can certainly hold an intelligent discussion with them, even if I do lose them sometimes) I am unable to grasp why this is the case, that the students of the UK fall so far behind (I am of course speaking in general terms, this does not apply to everyone).

Certainly this must be harming the UK in some form or other, and I wonder why nothing has been done about it so far. In Denmark many actually consider our language capabilities below the average of Europe, specifically countries such as Holland, where if I remember correctly, there are 3 different mother-tongues. Sooner or later this will come back to haunt the UK, specifically with the rise of Spanish and Mandarin Chinese as the languages of the future.

So Escapists, why do you think this has come to happen, whether it is in the UK or another country, what do you think should be done about it, and what would the consequences be if nothing was to be done about this?
 

XzarTheMad

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I think it's because Denmark's a really small country. We need to know other languages to work with other countries. English is the most common language ('cept Spanish and Chinese) and as such, I don't think a lot of English people feel the need to really study other languages. It's more of a hobby than a necessity, y'know?

Also:
Velkommen hjem til Danmark. :D
 

Vildleder

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Jarl said:
I think it's because Denmark's a really small country. We need to know other languages to work with other countries. English is the most common language ('cept Spanish and Chinese) and as such, I don't think a lot of English people feel the need to really study other languages. It's more of a hobby than a necessity, y'know?

Also:
Velkommen hjem til Danmark. :D
Tak, det dejligt at være hjemme igen, selvom England nu var et meget godt sted at bo :)

The problem is that this attitude of 'we already know the only language we'll ever need to know, so let's just slack off' cannot be doing any good to the country, and sooner or later this will come back to haunt them, as the new generation will only know English, and a few words of their GCSE foreign language. Also, Germany is even bigger than the UK, but their language proficiency trumps even ours ;)

I'm sure this will reach a critical point sooner or later, but I have no idea what will happen then :p
 

thylasos

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I completely agree that the UK is monoglot to a ridiculous extent; cultural dominance of anglophone countries plays a part, as does post-colonial arrogance, never mind the government saying they clearly don't give a shit by immensely cutting back arts budgets at universities (which includes languages), and successive governments taking very few, and meagre, steps to improve teaching of foreign languages at secondary or primary level.
 

LupusDei

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The problem is mainly arrogance I think, British see English as the main language of the world and probaly feel it right that other countrys learn English and not the other way round. Of course this isn't true for everyone! I speak mostly fluent french as my father is french and a little gaelic because I was born and raised in Ireland all my life.

I think its probaly parents that need to influence children to learn other languages early as they say, It gets harder with age.

Always wanted to visit Denmark among other scandinavian countrys, got any basic lines for me? :D
 

Kwaren

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If you think it is bad in the UK don't come to the States. The common phrase is "Speak English or get out!" I only speak English fluently but am trying to learn Japanese.
 

Palademon

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I'd like to learn other languages, I just suck at it.
We get little chance to test our new langauge anyway since everyone speaks English and even if we go to other countries it's still the most widespread language.
 

forsinain42

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Language was never a part of school here in the UK. As I didn't have it from an early age its super difficult to get now.

Sucks.
 

ZiggyE

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Palademon said:
I'd like to learn other languages, I just suck at it.
This. :(

I know a little spanish but I've forgotten most of what I knew. I've been trying to learn Japanese, but what can I say? Languages aren't my forte.

English is the only language I speak well, let alone fluently. But it is the best language to know, as it is spoken in most countries. That is until China becomes a super power and I need to learn Mandarin and Cantonese :(