Lara Croft and the rape incident
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Honestly, if rape is depicted in games as the horrible thing it is, and if we don't actually SEE it, I have no problem. I've heard of some Japanese games where you play as a rapist; if people are gonna be upset about rape in games, be upset towards those.
Greets!
I've seen the trailers for this new lara croft game, I even rewatched them to see this supposed attempted rape scene. I didn't see one, I was disappointed, as there seems to be no actual evidence in the trailers of an attempted rape on Lara.
But then, I am not assuming crude advances to be attempted rape, to me you are either raped, or not, there is no attempt. All other grey areas are sexual assault to me. Now, if we were to say that evidence of sexual assault was present in the E3 2012 trailer, then yes, there is evidence of sexual assault, the situation of which quickly turned against the male.
Does this make it an outrage? Of course it does! Sexuality is too much of a sensitive issue to handle, the developers should hurry up and turn lara into a thor's hammer wielding badass with hotpants as soon as possible to stop this gross offence to our sensibilities.
We want a fake lara, damn you! Not a realistic one!
Wait... what was that? The devs want to make lara a little more 'real'? That is what I see when I see Lara cry in desperation as she tries to survive in her nightmare.
Oh, but this cannot do! We absolutely must have our sexy lara cro-
You know what? I personally welcome a strong, realistic Lara who will fight against all odds, regardless what the circumstances may be. Nor will I be so bold or so foolish as to mistake sexual assault with rape.
I've seen the trailers for this new lara croft game, I even rewatched them to see this supposed attempted rape scene. I didn't see one, I was disappointed, as there seems to be no actual evidence in the trailers of an attempted rape on Lara.
But then, I am not assuming crude advances to be attempted rape, to me you are either raped, or not, there is no attempt. All other grey areas are sexual assault to me. Now, if we were to say that evidence of sexual assault was present in the E3 2012 trailer, then yes, there is evidence of sexual assault, the situation of which quickly turned against the male.
Does this make it an outrage? Of course it does! Sexuality is too much of a sensitive issue to handle, the developers should hurry up and turn lara into a thor's hammer wielding badass with hotpants as soon as possible to stop this gross offence to our sensibilities.
We want a fake lara, damn you! Not a realistic one!
Wait... what was that? The devs want to make lara a little more 'real'? That is what I see when I see Lara cry in desperation as she tries to survive in her nightmare.
Oh, but this cannot do! We absolutely must have our sexy lara cro-
You know what? I personally welcome a strong, realistic Lara who will fight against all odds, regardless what the circumstances may be. Nor will I be so bold or so foolish as to mistake sexual assault with rape.
O_OMadgamer13 said:
...Those are some daaaangerous thought patterns, my friend.
If you try to rape someone and fail, it doesn't bump the attempt down to basic sexual assault. Just like Attempted Murder isn't Manslaughter (unless the lawyers cut a plea agreement).
You can easily have a sense of detachment from a character. There's a big difference between you playing to save her and you playing to just see her story. You can easily make it her saving herself and becoming stronger, not having the player white knight.GiantRaven said:
Were you not here 2 months ago? We're past sexism/rape threads. These days all the cool kids rage about steam.
You didn't need to open a new thread to find your answers OP. We had dozens of threads about this topic, use the damned search bar.
You didn't need to open a new thread to find your answers OP. We had dozens of threads about this topic, use the damned search bar.
Because they used the rape as a selling point. And then told the entire world that due to the rape, you would want to protect Lara.
Greets!Overusedname said:
I understand that attempted murder isn't manslaughter if it fails, but attempted murder is far easier to identify than attempted rape. Besides, attempting to rape someone, then failing, is not attempted rape, it is rape.
Did you seriously just revive controversy to ***** about controversy?
Some people have different opinions to you, deal.
I care not for the game or the trailer (not cause of the not-rape stuff, cause I lost interest in TR aaages ago).
Thing happened, everyone moved on.
Some people have different opinions to you, deal.
I care not for the game or the trailer (not cause of the not-rape stuff, cause I lost interest in TR aaages ago).
Thing happened, everyone moved on.
It was a marketing error.
The 'rape' scene is shown in the trailer, it would have barely registered on peoples radar what was happening if it had just been left in the game, but the developers held interviews basically boasting "We've made a much more mature and realistic Lara, she, like, totally gets almost raped dude!" Which is... a bit mad.
They didn't try to sell the game on Lara being more realistic because it was more focused on surviving and less about magical artifacts, and mummies, and ninjas with swords that could deflect bullets. They said it was more realistic because Lara gets hurt, and beat up, and broken again and again and again, and then all her friends are murdered, and she almost gets raped, and you'll want to protect and comfort this new Lara...
It was borderline perverted in the way they outlined the game, with a teaser trailer that is just concentrated scenes of Lara getting hurt, the whole game looked like one of the Saw movies, which is called gore porn for a reason.
Now that more information has come out about the game, it's clearer that there will be more exploration and survival, and it's not just a "lets make a pretty girl suffer" simulator, so the rage has died down, but for a while we didn't know that, and everyone (including me) was rather confused and upset about the disturbing direction the game was going.
The 'rape' scene is shown in the trailer, it would have barely registered on peoples radar what was happening if it had just been left in the game, but the developers held interviews basically boasting "We've made a much more mature and realistic Lara, she, like, totally gets almost raped dude!" Which is... a bit mad.
They didn't try to sell the game on Lara being more realistic because it was more focused on surviving and less about magical artifacts, and mummies, and ninjas with swords that could deflect bullets. They said it was more realistic because Lara gets hurt, and beat up, and broken again and again and again, and then all her friends are murdered, and she almost gets raped, and you'll want to protect and comfort this new Lara...
It was borderline perverted in the way they outlined the game, with a teaser trailer that is just concentrated scenes of Lara getting hurt, the whole game looked like one of the Saw movies, which is called gore porn for a reason.
Now that more information has come out about the game, it's clearer that there will be more exploration and survival, and it's not just a "lets make a pretty girl suffer" simulator, so the rage has died down, but for a while we didn't know that, and everyone (including me) was rather confused and upset about the disturbing direction the game was going.
You know, we're really just going to have to wait for the game itself. It's all about context. We'll have to see if Lara getting hurt a bunch actually means something towards her character arc.
When the game has been released we'll know for sure whether it's a good origin story or just pointless torture porn.
When the game has been released we'll know for sure whether it's a good origin story or just pointless torture porn.
If that's the case then in the next Uncharted Game I hope Nathan Drake has to deal with a situation where he could potentially get raped. Best keep it equal.
Well, part of the controversy is that 90% of the people who think it is "all right" are male. You see it even now, people downplaying rape by indicating that "it is only a little groping" or "he got what was coming to him."
But perhaps the bigger issue is that people fought to KEEP IT IN.
People may act like they can handle a "mature subject" but if what is an extremely minor part of the story (from my understanding, just a single cutscene) gets people --- who have no appreciation for rape victims, other than acknowledging that they exist --- demanding to "keep it in"... then you cannot handle a "mature subject."
A better example would be to make Laura's father a child molester. It happens in society, why not in games? How about the mother too!
While some of you are so detached that this debauchery would not affect you, others should feel immense disgust at the very notion that the writers would put pedophiles in a videogame, and in such a prominent role. Those who have been victimized as a child may even feel the need to protest, sprout blog postings, post on forums... etc.
See, "rape" has very different connotations between men and women. Women do NOT want to see their female protagonist being raped (or the euphemism "attempted rape"). Nor do they like the idea that people may become so over-saturated with rape being presented as "normal" that it actually causes an increase in rapes.
Again, understand that men and women consider rape EXTREMELY different. Men may think that seeing rape spreads rape awareness, but women see it as "what if a man sees this and ENJOYS the power he feels over Laura?" Even if said men initiated sex consensually (hence alleviating themselves of "rape"), it can turn into rape if he finds he enjoys the feeling.
Honestly, rape is rarely used maturely. Law and Order: SVU is a mature example of rape. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is an EXTREMELY immature example (Introducing a character whose sole duty is to rape a woman [and is never heard from again]... then deciding to go for the X rating with intentionally pornographic BDSM content [tactless.])
Again, replace it with graphic videos of a child being repeatedly raped.... and suddenly men seem to get that "this is not something we should be putting on screen." (Well, in a few years we'll probably accept pedophilia as normal, go figure.)
From my perspective... if you want to see porn there are PLENTY of outlets for that. If you REALLY LIKE seeing people raped... there are also outlets for that. But if you are a writer who is putting rape in because it gets you ratings... well, if only vigilantes were legal.
But perhaps the bigger issue is that people fought to KEEP IT IN.
People may act like they can handle a "mature subject" but if what is an extremely minor part of the story (from my understanding, just a single cutscene) gets people --- who have no appreciation for rape victims, other than acknowledging that they exist --- demanding to "keep it in"... then you cannot handle a "mature subject."
A better example would be to make Laura's father a child molester. It happens in society, why not in games? How about the mother too!
While some of you are so detached that this debauchery would not affect you, others should feel immense disgust at the very notion that the writers would put pedophiles in a videogame, and in such a prominent role. Those who have been victimized as a child may even feel the need to protest, sprout blog postings, post on forums... etc.
See, "rape" has very different connotations between men and women. Women do NOT want to see their female protagonist being raped (or the euphemism "attempted rape"). Nor do they like the idea that people may become so over-saturated with rape being presented as "normal" that it actually causes an increase in rapes.
Again, understand that men and women consider rape EXTREMELY different. Men may think that seeing rape spreads rape awareness, but women see it as "what if a man sees this and ENJOYS the power he feels over Laura?" Even if said men initiated sex consensually (hence alleviating themselves of "rape"), it can turn into rape if he finds he enjoys the feeling.
Honestly, rape is rarely used maturely. Law and Order: SVU is a mature example of rape. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is an EXTREMELY immature example (Introducing a character whose sole duty is to rape a woman [and is never heard from again]... then deciding to go for the X rating with intentionally pornographic BDSM content [tactless.])
Again, replace it with graphic videos of a child being repeatedly raped.... and suddenly men seem to get that "this is not something we should be putting on screen." (Well, in a few years we'll probably accept pedophilia as normal, go figure.)
From my perspective... if you want to see porn there are PLENTY of outlets for that. If you REALLY LIKE seeing people raped... there are also outlets for that. But if you are a writer who is putting rape in because it gets you ratings... well, if only vigilantes were legal.
I think this is it really. If they'd just had attempted rape in the game, and dealt with it maturely like any other serious issue then any outcry could rightly be put down.Mr.K. said:
Their method however, was to almost advertise it and seemingly show off that it happened. Most likely to try and show that they can include mature topics in games, not realising that if you are (as Mr.K said) going to deal with a serious topic, then you need to treat it appropriately.
I think you completely missed the point on that one.Merri said:
The purpose of it was to show how the system that was supposed to be caring for Lisbeth was constantly abusing her, she was in a vulnerable state, and rather than look after her, they exploited it.
Her revenge on him for it was to show that she is not the kind of person to accept it, and that she is willing to fight for herself. It also explains her hatred for authority, and her lack of trust in other people.
The character was not created for the sole purpose of raping her, the fact you think that he was suggests that you haven't actually read the second or third books in the trilogy, where more details emerge in regards to who he is.