Large Hadron Collider breaks physics, screws up theories.

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Kreka_X

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Neutrinos sent through the ground from Cern toward the Gran Sasso laboratory 732km away seemed to show up a tiny fraction of a second early.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484

Well, this is certinatly an intresting turn of events if it turns out to be true.
 

LordFisheh

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Where were you when humanity broke the light barrier?

Or miscounted the number of zeroes on the screen...
 

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Matthew94 said:
I thought if you went faster than light you went back in time so surely they should have shown up late...
forward in time, not back

and it's just a theory, nobody is quite sure what happens if something travels faster than the speed of light, which is why this news such a huge deal
 

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Matthew94 said:
I thought if you went faster than light you went back in time so surely they should have shown up late...
No... You go forwards in time when you travel faster than the speed of light.

OT: Well... This is interesting. I want more info, though.
 

Sampler

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Pretty sure I recall Major Kira in Star Trek Deep Space Nine mention neutrinos travel faster than light and therefore back in time - another case of life imitating art?

:p
 

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No_Remainders said:
Matthew94 said:
I thought if you went faster than light you went back in time so surely they should have shown up late...
No... You go forwards in time when you travel faster than the speed of light.

OT: Well... This is interesting. I want more info, though.
No... you take on an imaginary mass when you go faster than the speed of light.
 

ShindoL Shill

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Sampler said:
Pretty sure I recall Major Kira in Star Trek Deep Space Nine mention neutrinos travel faster than light and therefore back in time - another case of life imitating art?

:p
or maybe shows actually consult scientists...
OT: hooray for science!

their boners must hurt though.
 

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renegade7 said:
LOL nice thread mis-spelling :p

OT: Does this mean I will soon be able to use an FTL drive?
No it means that physicists are a bunch of perverts, building machines that collides several thousands of erect penises with eachother.

Suddenly I just found a new spin on the "SCREWS up theories"-part. There's bound to be a lot of screwing going on in a hardon-collider, wouldn't you say? ;)

On a more serious note though: It's a very interesting result, and I look forward to what further experiments might reveal.
 

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ssgt splatter said:
Ok, so...what exactly does this mean in scientific terms?
So far, not much. But if this isn't just some random fluke, it creates some uncertainty about special and general relativity.

Strictly speaking, the math behind special relativity only shows you can't travel AT the speed of light, but it's generally assumed that this also means going faster than the speed of light is impossible.

If it turns out that there is something that travels faster than light, a lot of science will have to be revised, and it'll either mean altering the upper speed limit in the universe, or throwing out the idea altogether.

The implications of proving it's possible to exceed the speed of light open up lots of possibilities, although that somewhat depends on what the limitations of this are.

Basically, this finding calls into question one of the most fundamental assumptions of modern science.


Anyway,

My first inclination upon hearing this though was to ask if it was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum, or whether it was the speed of light in some other medium.

Exceeding the speed of light in glass or water for instance, isn't actually a big deal, because that limit isn't in any way considered an absolute limit, and it's typically only 2/3 the speed of light in a vacuum, which high-energy particles can certainly exceed.

(In fact, cerenkov radiation, a characteristic blue glow you get with radioactive material contained in water is caused by particles exceeding the local speed of light. But this still has nothing to do with the physics that says you can't exceed the speed of light in a vacuum.)
 

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usmarine4160 said:
poiumty said:
I believe this picture is worth a thousand threads:



Zach Wiener of SMBC Comics might just be the Bringer of Truth
It was so much easier when "magic" was an acceptable answer for anything.
or God, don't forget god. But if we can actually mess with physics then it seem science has some rearranging to do.
 

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CrystalShadow said:
My first inclination upon hearing this though was to ask if it was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum, or whether it was the speed of light in some other medium.
Well personally I think they wouldn't have made such a fuss about it if the neutrinos were submerged in any other medium than a vacuum.

I mean, what would be the point to trying to confirm theories regarding the speed of light by shooting neutrinos through water or air?
 

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Housebroken Lunatic said:
CrystalShadow said:
My first inclination upon hearing this though was to ask if it was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum, or whether it was the speed of light in some other medium.
Well personally I think they wouldn't have made such a fuss about it if the neutrinos were submerged in any other medium than a vacuum.

I mean, what would be the point to trying to confirm theories regarding the speed of light by shooting neutrinos through water or air?
I know. That was my second inclination, because it was obvious that if my first thought was relevant, why would anyone doing a physics experiment not already have tried to account for that?

But, with the detector being 724km from the source, there's a fair chance that the neutrinos have been travelling through rock, not air, and certainly not a vacuum.

(I mean, I highly doubt they actually built a 700 km long vacuum tube just for this experiment. And a neutron detector is typically a fairly large volume of some kind of material, often water, ironically.)
 

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Housebroken Lunatic said:
CrystalShadow said:
My first inclination upon hearing this though was to ask if it was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum, or whether it was the speed of light in some other medium.
Well personally I think they wouldn't have made such a fuss about it if the neutrinos were submerged in any other medium than a vacuum.

I mean, what would be the point to trying to confirm theories regarding the speed of light by shooting neutrinos through water or air?
Neutrinos generally can pass through solid matter while behaving as if it's in a vacuum. In this case, they shot them through the ground to another lab, which measured them as arriving faster than possible.
 

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Maybe the 732km tunnel is slightly shorter than they thought?

I mean, there was recent tectonic activity in Italy, with an experiment this precise and accurate, how exact can they be about the distance, especially in a long, curved underground tunnel.