Law, What is it good for? Absolutely Nothin!

[JohnReaper]

Unlike the title of this post,(Which I did cause it will probably be the only time I get to do a Pun like this) I support Law, Hell I'm in love with Law.

My post though is brought on by the Class Action Lawsuit ELUA stuff and then Origin. Isn't the premise of law to protect everyone? the only thing that scared companies enough to not do batshit insane stunts (Read:Origin {which I have no real issue with if it had an opt out function})

were class action lawsuits.

Whats the point any more if it has turned into a match of the bigger wallet?

companies are able to persecute us as some sort of lazy person that wants to do nothing but take free stuff? If we try to call them out on shit we get told to go play in the corner?

Right now Law seems to be completely useless.

Also on the note of origin (Kinda off topic) A post I read made me sit and think, could Origin and Steam get to the point where they flat out say one or the other?

 

[Technetium]

Well I've never used Origin before,as my computer won't install it for some reason, and I certainly didn't know there were lawsuits going on between them either. I was always under the impression that Steam was bigger and better, even if only fractionally.

 

[Soviet Steve]

What are you proposing we put in place of the courts?

Shall we let the army handle the courts?

Perhaps we need to bring back Monarchy and have the king decide on everything?

 

[JohnReaper]

What are you proposing we put in place of the courts?

Shall we let the army handle the courts?

Perhaps we need to bring back Monarchy and have the king decide on everything?

I love, I really love that you didn't even read the post.


BUUUUUUTTT incase any one else wants to be a troll I'm posting this now


I LIKE LAW, THE TITLE WAS A HORRIBLE PUN, I WILL REFRAIN FROM SAID PUNS IN THE FUTURE. THE POINT OF THIS THREAD WAS TO ASK WHATS THE POINT OF LAW IF IT DOESN'T PROTECT EVERYONE, ONLY THE PRIVLAGED FEW WITH MORE MONEY THAT SOMEONE WITH A SLIVER OF THE ONE TRUE CROSS!?

Sigh, Listen all I was asking on this thread was, isn't it a bit sad that the one thing keeping companies (Like EA and Steam) from scanning our hard drives completely with out our knowledge being tossed out into the cold? Because Class Action Lawsuits get what some people would call a fair trial, PSN and EA have put in their EULA that they arn't bound to giving us fair trial if they fuck up....

 

[dyre]

Your post could be a bit more coherent. And it seems your gripe is with contracts, not laws.

As for the "no class-action lawsuits" clause, yeah, it's a lousy policy, but what would you expect from corporations like Sony and EA? It's not like they're up for re-election.

 

[JohnReaper]

Your post could be a bit more coherent. And it seems your gripe is with contracts, not laws.

As for the "no class-action lawsuits" clause, yeah, it's a lousy policy, but what would you expect from corporations like Sony and EA? It's not like they're up for re-election.

but contracts use the law to get around law. if the US supreme court had said screw that noise it wouldn't have happened but yea, with this no class action lawsuit being LEGEAL (Read Allowed by law) whats to stop EA or Steam from taking all the info off our computers?

Abitration? where the judge goes who ever pads his wallet more? Sorry not buying it. and yes my post was incoherent mostly cause I have a noted hard time putting my words down on paper/text/Whatever.

Sorry for any mix up caused by my first post

 

[CountChopula]

The law does protect everyone.
The so called "privileged few" always happen to those people who you disagree though huh.

From what I understand, both EA and Steam have you accept a terms of service that specifically outlines what they can and cannot do and what they will and will not do. You choose to abide by that agreement or not.

 

[JohnReaper]

The law does protect everyone.
The so called "privileged few" always happen to those people who you disagree though huh.

From what I understand, both EA and Steam have you accept a terms of service that specifically outlines what they can and cannot do and what they will and will not do. You choose to abide by that agreement or not.

I read the EULA's and honestly after this recent change in what can be put in them. it honestly makes me feel like I'm renting something I paid full price for.

And the privileged few? I said that because they are Privileged, they have enough money to buy the best lawyers, get the Judge thats favorable to them.

and EULA's change my fine friend. and when they change they can change drastically and barely any one reads them.

All it would take now is for the companies to put

By playing this game and installing Steam you agree that your computer's private information is ours and ours to do with as we please, that if Origin is found on your computer your Steam account and game information is forefit

Thats a bit of an extreme example, but I feel it covey's my point. We are no longer the masters of our own computer's information, that we are all pirates waiting to happen. We don't own anything we buy any more. And sadly the one thing that I felt could keep the companies from doing that is now gone.

 

[CODE-D]

If you love law so much why dontcha marry it....

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Aw...I had a video all planned to counter your title, it was sarcastic and biting, and struck right at the heart of things, even had the remains of Monty Python doing what they do...Oh well. I'll just have to save it for some other time.

And ideally, the law is there to protect people. But recently, corporations were ruled to be similar to people in terms of how they can be handled, so such things get kind of mashed together, and negate the actual point the law is trying to uphold. If only we could take on the courts for their systemic violation of Lady Justice...

 

[ElPatron]

The law does protect everyone.
The so called "privileged few" always happen to those people who you disagree though huh.

Try to have played Combat Arms since 2009 (you can't, but lets pretend you can for the sake of the discussion) and say that.

Nope, there is no way to fight any unfairness because legally speaking, if you ever played the game you already renounced to any rights you could have had.


Remember that issue with the modded PS3s? Legally you can't sign a contract by buying a console but Sony did as they pleased. Law doesn't protect everyone.

 

[Veylon]

Persecute? Let's not get carried away here. Every single dollar the video game industry takes in comes from a gamer who has chosen to buy their product. This isn't a case where people are being injured by ineptly designed appliances or food prices have gone through the roof.

Then there are comments like this:

...the only recourse is to not buy games, and well that's simply not going to happen.

...sadly the one thing that I felt could keep the companies from doing that is now gone.

The reason the industry has so much power is due solely to the moral and economic cowardice and ignorance of the gaming community. Everyone complains about how bad DRM X is or EULA Y, but the offending companies never get slammed with a crippling boycott. The simple act of not buying something has become nearly inconceivable around here.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Yep, the court system needs to be changed. Because as it stands, the wealthy will always beat the poor in a case, no matter what happens.

Which is one of the reasons I support Occupy Wallstreet.

 

[Sectan]

Isn't it whoever has the most money can keep appealing a case in court for so long the other guy goes bankrupt and can't keep fighting against it? I may have completely missed the point of this thread...

 

[WaruTaru]

Persecute? Let's not get carried away here. Every single dollar the video game industry takes in comes from a gamer who has chosen to buy their product. This isn't a case where people are being injured by ineptly designed appliances or food prices have gone through the roof.

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The reason the industry has so much power is due solely to the moral and economic cowardice and ignorance of the gaming community. Everyone complains about how bad DRM X is or EULA Y, but the offending companies never get slammed with a crippling boycott. The simple act of not buying something has become nearly inconceivable around here.

So true.

Also, even if the game company actually did something nasty (oh, I don't know, how about denying you from playing your game after 24 hours of gameplay), are you really going to sue them for $60? The law wouldn't be much help if the consumers themselves are lapping up the harm caused by the game companies in spades. If consumers are keeping their silence, how is the court supposed to do anything?

 

[Kopikatsu]

I agree, actually. Law has become some kind of bullshit game. Like...you can have a tape recording of a guy admitting to murdering five people, and a video of him actually doing it. BUT, if he didn't know that those things were being recorded, then they're inadmissible as evidence.

Also, if a person were to tell their lawyer they committed a crime, the lawyer still has to do his/her damnest to get that person off the hook. Even if they went to the Judge and said 'Hey look, this guy did it. He even admits to doing it. I have a recording and everything.', that lawyer would be fired and probably get his license revoked.

Also also, loopholes are bullshit, too. It isn't the letter of the law that's important, it's the spirit of the law. If someone figures out how they can murder people without it technically being illegal, does that mean that they should be let off scott free? 'cause according to the word of the law, 'Yes'.

Sidenote: I used the word murder far too often in this post.