Laws of physics broken as a perpetual motion machine was invented

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Sporky111

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Flac00 said:
Sporky111 said:
I'm thinking it's a hoax. There looks to be too many joints and sources of friction to be truly perpetual.

I don't totally reject the idea that perpetual motion could exist. I think it could. But I think that something like that would have to be more sophisticated than a collection of bicycle parts on some guy's back porch. I think it would have to be, say, in a vacuum environment where air resistance isn't a factor. It would probably have to be a very simple mechanism to minimize or eliminate energy losses to friction.
Na, it still wouldn't work. The closest we have to a "perpetual motion machine" is our Earth, which will continuously travel at a very high speed. But then again, it won't. Physics tells us that given enough time, even our Earth will collide with the sun...
History has taught me that it's always best to keep an open mind when it comes to potential for discovery. If you write something off as impossible, chances are broad that it'll make you look like a fool later.
 

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ChocoFace said:
this device uses the power of gravity
Not perpetual motion, needs energy. Perpetual motion means it creates it own energy without having energy put into it.
 

Faladorian

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Taking advantage of the laws of physics is not the same thing as defying them. it uses the energy of the planet in place of its own, it makes sense.
 

teknoarcanist

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People get so excited over these things...when are homebody inventors going to understand that you can't subvert a natural law of the universe by arranging gears and sprockets in the right way? It's just. Not. Possible. It's nothing personal. It doesn't make you less of an inventor. It's not that you can't do it...it's that it can't be done. Put down the erector set and pick up a science book for five minutes.
 

TilMorrow

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If this is legit then logic just went out the window alongside sanity and sensibility.
 

Sn1P3r M98

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Impossible! How does it even......


Well, It's likely a hoax anyways, but if it works, that would be awesome!
 

Cazza

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Not bothering to debate if this machine is real or fake.

Perpetual motion doesn't create energy it changes potential & gravitational energy to Electricity from gravity & magnets. Many perpetual motion devices don't work because the amount of energy changed from potential & gravitational energy isn't more energy lose from sound,heat,friction etc.

theoretically it is possible. Practically not, the efficacy of the machine would be at a level which we can not achieve yet if at all.

Remember we made the laws of physics they could be wrong and probably are in some many ways. It is very possibe to make somethings that isn't to the the laws of physics. When that is so we will have to change the laws.
 

Kurt Horsting

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It is being externally powered by gravity. Its a gravity generator. If it wasn't built on earth, it wouldn't work. It can't be a perpetual motion device because it isn't trying to be. Please stop being stupid.
 

Dragoonit

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it needs a motor and a flywheel to STORE energy, nothing is being created.....way to go troll physics
 

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lacktheknack said:
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Please note the batteries adjacent to each of the wheels. Case closed
You didn't read it.
I know their claim, it's the same as every other time that someone invents a perpetual motion device. It hasn't been verified nor replicated and I have a serious doubt in the integrity of their work. The basic laws of thermodynamics says no, and while it can be possible for it to be wrong, everyone who has used the same principle of gravity + wheel = infinite power has been proven wrong and this is nothing new. Next week they'll be claiming to breach the speed of light.

Yes we can split atoms or even teleport them but perpetual motion? I think not.
 

Agayek

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Tharwen said:
This thread annoys me.

That machine and the people who created it annoy me.

The people who believed this story annoy me slightly less, but still annoy me.

Perpetual motion machines simply can't exist inside this universe. The most likely explanation is simply that those people made a very efficient flywheel and stopped filming before it stopped moving.
Technically, it might be possible to create a perpetual motion device using some funky quantum mechanics.

On the macro scale, though, all known physics says it's completely impossible (though if you could somehow create a frictionless surface, you could theoretically create a PMD in a vacuum).
 

Agayek

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FoolKiller said:
I don't get where people say that it's breaking the laws of thermodynamics.

This isn't creating energy, just converting it from one form to another.

It would be like saying that water flowing over a wheel creating hydroelectric power was breaking the laws as well.
The creator claims this device generates more energy than it consumes.

That is a complete violation of basic thermodynamics, as energy cannot be created or destroyed. This device is not completely frictionless, nor is it in a vacuum, so it cannot generate energy even equal to the energy it consumes. Thus, it's not a perpetual motion device.

It could be an efficient generator, but I highly doubt it.
 

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The first problem is that it is not a perpetual motion machine: If it does what it says it does, then it would be a machine powered by a source of energy so vast, we could never exhaust it, I.E. gravity from celestial bodies.

The second problem is that this machine is not special. We already have this sort of, "Perpetual motion". It's called the Tides. And you can be damn sure that harnessing tidal power is a hell of a lot more feasible, practical, and larger scale, then this contraption.

Third, it could always just be plain old BS.
 

Not G. Ivingname

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ChocoFace said:
Ok, if this thing works as I think it does, it isn't breaking the laws of thermodymanics.

Most of the energy comes from gravity pulling down on it like how this would work using Propetual motion:



The above will eventially stop because both sides will even out weight wise, but this guy figured out that it only will take a bit more power to overcome that.

It isn't breaking physics because it is just using the "free" energy that gravity provides and supplements in with a tiny amount of man made energy to make a free energy machine.

It is both brilliant and slapping your own forehead obivous.
 

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If it's real which I doubt it is seeing as these things have dissapointed before, huzzah. He has created the most awesome thing ever, with a name of Gurren Lagann epic proportions to boot. Seriously, that name is like something a child comes up with during a drawing war.

If it's fake then it's fake. I will go "Meh, woulda been cool." and all will be said and done.
 

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Flac00 said:
Boom129 said:
Flac00 said:
BS. It is a fact that perpetual motion machines don't work. Energy is lost everywhere. Not to mention, if this actually worked, it wouldn't mean squat. "Generating" energy is really just transferring it, so this machine wouldn't do that job at all. To say this again. BS. Perpetual motion machines are impossible, no matter how hard you might try you will always have to follow the laws of physics.
my rebuttal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws
My re-rebuttal. This is a quote from that wikipedia entry that proves my point. "Clarke postulates advanced technologies without resorting to flawed engineering concepts....or explanations grounded in incorrect science or engineering". Look, I am not saying other advanced technologies are possible, just not this one. Perpetual motion has been, and will constantly be, proven impossible to do as "Energy cannot be created or destroyed". For perpetual motion to work, energy has to be created because perpetual motion machines do not stop despite their transferring of energy into any sources (ie: friction etc.) A perpetual motion machine IS IMPOSSIBLE. Any physicist, or kid who has passed 8th grade science will tell you that. Do not dispute fact, for it will only make a fool out of you and not of that fact.
My response to your re-rebuttal to my rebuttal to your statement

I agree with your point and a believe this is bunk, I simply played Devil's Advocate and pointed out that scientific laws are based on preconceptions of our universe which are inherently incomplete. Therefore it is possible for laws (though I don't suspect this one) to be disproved.