Laws of physics broken as a perpetual motion machine was invented
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Sorry, that was a miswording. When I said "Laws of Physics" i didn't mean Newton's. I meant the common laws we all know such as matter cannot be created or destroyed, and energy cannot be created or destroyed. Even then, those can be broken. The only thing is that I doubt using bicycle parts and too much time on your hands can break any law of physics.SomethingAmazing said:
Indeed. If it's getting energy through gravity, it's utilizing it's own potential energy, not creating it.Soylent Bacon said:
And I looked at the video, and I call BS. The machine is moving way too fast to be gravity powered, based on its size and materials used. Also, perpetual motion machines don't stop. You would not be able to turn it off.
Plus there was no documentation, no analysis, no full report or even measurements of input/output energy.
If it's real, I demand we find a way to have these power suits that can perform the impossible.
If it's fake, I'm punching someone in the face as another of my dreams was crushed by the laws of this universe. (If you were me, you'd understand)
Also... This made me think of TTGL. Spiral nemesis. It produces more energy than it consumes by going in a spiral. Weird...
If it's fake, I'm punching someone in the face as another of my dreams was crushed by the laws of this universe. (If you were me, you'd understand)
Also... This made me think of TTGL. Spiral nemesis. It produces more energy than it consumes by going in a spiral. Weird...
I'm not impressed in the slightest, the simple fact that it is oscillating indicates to me that there is no way it can be perpetual or even harvesting energy from gravity.
Hydrogen looks promising but they need to go into details on how to convert the waste glass back, no point getting in too deep if there is no efficient way to reuse it.
I'm not sold on the petrol from air, yes the harvested sunlight can decompose some chemicals but then he shows us the magic boxxy cylinder thing that is magically supposed to be able to put the parts together into petrol which sounds like BS as they would much prefer to form simple products instead.skibadaa said:Petrol from air using focused sunlight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ5mpQqmZaM
Loads of hydrogen from common chemicals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TinQ3iV403s
My car is a diesel, so air synthesised petrol is no use to me
Hydrogen looks promising but they need to go into details on how to convert the waste glass back, no point getting in too deep if there is no efficient way to reuse it.
You'd be surprised. Governments have lost millions to scammers worse than this. It's like saying that people are too smart to fall for a con.rollerfox88 said:
This, you actually CAN build in your basement.Exocet said:
Right now they consume slightly more energy than they produce, but it's believed it's only a matter of technical limitation. There is a TON of money going in to research.
http://tidbit77.blogspot.com/2010/02/fusion-reactors-first-light.html
Something else you might find interesting, I overheard an Argonne researcher talking about X-ray photovoltaic cells. Awesome? Yes. (I got to school at Northern Illinois University which is very much involved with Argonne national labs.)
The laws of physics are not being broken, ever. Scientists are DISCOVERING the laws of quantum physics as we speak.SomethingAmazing said:
Don't be confused though, the laws of conventional physics (mechanical dynamics, electrodynamics, and thermodynamics) are very well understood. Current research is in finding new applications for known properties, not in finding new properties.
If this is actually real then the entire world's energy problems are solved. We could run cars,heat houses and power factories in an entirely environmentally friendly way. IF this is real, that man in Somerset has probably made the biggest impact on the world as we know it since we landed on the moon.
However, I do doubt it's legitimacy as I probably would have heard about this from the actual news, rather than on the Escapist. I truly hope it is real but it probably isn't.... Looks like it's back to my idea of power stations in space....
However, I do doubt it's legitimacy as I probably would have heard about this from the actual news, rather than on the Escapist. I truly hope it is real but it probably isn't.... Looks like it's back to my idea of power stations in space....
Uhg, no it does NOT break the first law of thermodynamics; energy is not actually being created, it is being CHANGED from one form (gravity) to another (electricity) it isn't that hard to figure out.
Anyways, the video does not appear to be ligit, I am relieved to say. Too fast to actually be gravity powered. Looks like I can still keep saving up for the parts I need to finish my device XD
Anyways, the video does not appear to be ligit, I am relieved to say. Too fast to actually be gravity powered. Looks like I can still keep saving up for the parts I need to finish my device XD
You mean the laws of dynamics.galdon2004 said:
Thermodynamics refers specifically to the interactions of heat and motion...there is no heat in that design, thus no considerations for thermodynamics.
Well, I don't think anyone's ever claimed to have made a working cold-fusion generator. It's still hypothetical.PayJ567 said:
OT: I call bullshit. Perpetual motion machines can't work because our universe does not work that way. There are fundamental laws (Note, laws, not hypotheses or theories) of physics that say this won't work. Like the Laws of Thermodynamics. Look 'em up sometime.
and their is where the entire argument falls apart, it is claiming that it produces it's energy from gravity so if the energy it is producing is greater than the sum of the potential energy plus the frictional energy from component interaction and air then yes it does break the laws of thermodynamics. Now does anyone want to factor in the essential energy factor that seems to be missing? The energy used to create the magnets that it also uses. Magnets do not just grow on trees they need to be produced either through natural means or by artificial ones and either way that requires energy.
A lot of these perpetual machines seem to use magnets, really because it is an easy way of covering up a source of energy that is hard to quantify it's cost to initially produce. So when the equations come out the usual values of resistive and frictional lose are included but the actual cost of the magnets themselves are very rarely factored in.
The fact that their is no actual values or calculations for energy efficiency shown screams shenanigans, if they posted the equations with the lose values of friction, energy put in initially and the energy cost of the magnets themselves vs the output energy then and only then will we see if it is truly breaking the laws of thermodynamics, right now I doubt it is.
No, energy isn't being changed from gravity potential energy (GPE) to electricity. If anything, it is being transformed from electricity (powering the motor) to kinetic energy (moving the device) then back to electricity via a dynamo. You can't generate perpetual motion, since there will always be energy lost through friction that will eventually stop the machine. And, even if you borrowed God's toolkit and managed to create a machine (say a wheel of some sort) that could rotate without friction (ignore the implausability of this for now) you still wouldn't be able to use it to generate any energy. Perpetual motion can only work if the system is in absolute equilibrium - if you start adding additional resistance (say by getting it to power a dynamo) then it will quickly lose energy and stop. The only way to keep it running would be to supply it with power, though you could only ever get as much electricity as you put in (probably much less due to the inefficiency of electricity generation).galdon2004 said: