League of Legends Bans Pro For Bad Behavior

[antipunt]

I wonder if giving him a strict warning would've been effective enough (as in: "we ban yo ass, STOP IT". Seems kinda weird that he'd get banned without warning.

Regardless, nothing of value was lost =_=

good for you Riot

 

[Rednog]

I wonder if giving him a strict warning would've been effective enough (as in: "we ban yo ass, STOP IT". Seems kinda weird that he'd get banned without warning.

Regardless, nothing of value was lost =_=

good for you Riot

Uhhh, he got warned 9 times, your average player gets 3 and a ban. If he didn't clean up his act by then he probably was just going to laugh off any warning.

OT: I really think it is total BS that they let him get away with that many warnings. Especially considering how hard they've swung their hammer against a single offense against what some streamers said on their mic and not actually in game.

 

[Odbarc]

What's the big deal exactly?
Jerk broke the rules; got banned. Who cares about the quality of his skill?
And can't he simply make a new level 30 account and just be right back where he was like all the other banned-trolls-smurf-accounts?

 

[Twilight_guy]

The decision to impact someone's career is not one we make lightly, which is why this is tough news to deliver.

It wouldn't be hard for me. Hey, an asshole! BAN! Moving on...

I understand that they have to bend for professionals sometimes since professionals are what keep eSports going and eSports help keep their game alive and making money, but I'd rather have a dead game then a game where assholes do what they want.

 

[Baresark]

LoL is great fun, except for the part where other people get involved. I used to play with this guy and he was awesome at LoL. He had a ridiculous number of games under his belt and he worked and played LoL, that was it. He was so unbearable in matches though. He would get in the most ridiculous fights with people, both on our team and the other team. Playing with him almost always meant a win, but I had to stop playing with him. Then I stopped playing because he was one of a majority that suffered from the same issue. Games like this will never be legitimate sport/esport because there is no brotherhood. There is no team, there is me and my needs, fuck everyone else. I experienced the same thing with Dota 2. That is why I don't play that game. "Hey, this guy is level 1, lets flame him for being bad at a game". Idiots.

Sorry, I rant...

OT: Good. He should not be banned because he is a professional, he should be banned because he is time and again a worthless douche bag. I hate the whole mentality that they should be held to higher standards, no one should be what this guy or at least 20% of the LoL population is, and that is unbearable pricks.

 

[baconsarnie]

I love how some people are saying all players are toxic whilst others are saying you get reported for basically nothing. But it's players themselves that vote in the tribunal, if bans are given out too softly go into the tribunal and vote.

The community is toxic.
The community is too sensitive.

These two views aren't entirely compatible. Perhaps it's somewhere between the two that the truth lies?

 

[heintzer]

1. Summoner's code is bullshit.

2. The ban wasn't a lifetime ban like normal players get but only a 1 year ban. Also normal players only get 4 chances to "reform" before a permaban.

3. Riot actually has no way for players to have strikes removed against their record. I've known people who went 6 months, a year, and even two years without a ban when it was their final strike. Then when they get to tribunal and then punished it was a permaban.

4. Tribunal is a screwed up system where due to the changes the "justice elo" and "accuracy" spiked up the punish rate back up to 80-85%. The person with the highest "justice elo" even said so himself that he basically spams punish. Also even the most trivial things gets players banned and Lyte is okay with players being banned than actual justice or reform happening. Imagine if you said GG easy in your online games when you had a stompfest. Well guess what. You can get permabanned from typing that. Basically if players perceive something to be "negative" then you can get banned from it and usually are.

I'd like to clear up some misinformation in your post. Regarding the Summoner's Code, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but the code is basically just an exploration of the concept of "don't be a dick," so I'm not sure what your objection to it is.

2. His account was permanently banned by the Tribunal, just like any other player's would have been. In addition, his OTHER smurf accounts were banned AND he was given a yearlong suspension from being able to compete in the Championship Series, the LoL pro league.

3. This simply isn't true. Players who improve their behavior can see their harassment score lowered and encounter a less strict ban, even if they would have previously been due for a perma. In fact, there have been players with up to 14 chances. However, in the vast majority of cases, players who reach the precipice do not demonstrably improve their behavior and thus are shown the door.

4. Punish rates range from 60-70%, so...no. Players who get permabanned have a history of extremely toxic behavior, and they receive multiple warnings, increasing duration suspensions, and feedback on what players found objectionable in their behavior.

Source: I'm a Rioter.

 

[Evil Smurf]

easy, not rape jokes in games

 

[Strazdas]

So when are they going to ban all the other LoL players?

Okay, that's not fair. We're not detestable ALL the time.

Only Xbox COD community can rival you in awfulness contest. and they arent banning people for it. so yeah....

But really, a pro gamer should know better....

Not everyone needs to be on watch or act as if they are some representative figure of all things video games when they actually have ZERO stake in the creation or involvement of all things video game related.

so its like saying its ok to do crimes as long as your crimes cant make a big impact in the economy. i mean it does not matter that you will be used as an example of why certain group of people are acting badly, you cant impact that after all so f*** all law right?
your logic is flawed. yes you do HAVE TO act like representing part of community that you are part of.

 

[Vegosiux]

There is a difference between the casual gamers and pro-gamers (or: professional gamers). No one expects the casual to behave, pros on the other hand should display professional behaviour all the time simply because in most cases they are funded by someone.

Actually, the "casuals" should be (and are) excpected to behave to. After all, not a day goes by with someone whining about how they got an unfair suspension, when upon looking at the case closer simply reveals a case of "acting like a total miscreant".

I disagree that the pros should be held to a higher standard of behavior, I think the casuals should be held to one just as high and asshattery should be quashed at the source. Iron fist and all that.

Here we have Riot, who is responsible for the whole pro scene, and a professional who stands more in the spotlight than average joe but behaves like asshat joe, it is the logical conclusion that they are going to eradicate that bad spot.

That...depends. In the western culture, people often seem to be willing to leave athletes walk away with worse than just douchebaggery just because they can kick a ball around. I wouldn't put it past the gaming community in general to be willing to overlook someone being an asshat cause they're just so damn good with Karthus.

Now decide which one would you lose face with more, reprimanding them or saying "Okay, I'll pretend I didn't see that. Get back into the game"

 

[lapan]

I find it funny how everyone kept complaining that pro players should be judged more harshly, but as soon as the first gets permabanned they start tons of "unban x" threads.


I personally never even got a warning in LoL. I don't rage at teammates and if someone threatens to afk or similar stupid things i usually can get them to reconsider by talking to them. Some people take the game too seriously though and search the blame at everyone but themselves.

 

[crimson sickle2]

Except not everything can be "gaming culture". Not everyone who plays games is representing "gaming culture" or making a difference in the culture. Playing video games first and foremost for 99% of people who play video games need to worry about "gaming culture".

The people who make video games as a part of their career or making a difference for good or for ill as part of their everyday lives can constitute as being part of that "gaming culture". Writers, reviewers, pundits, artists, musicians, developers, programmers, analysts, comedians. These are the people that influence and affect "gaming culture". Not the guy who picks up a game of COD or LOL and plays one match a day to relax from the everyday stress of life.

Not everyone needs to be on watch or act as if they are some representative figure of all things video games when they actually have ZERO stake in the creation or involvement of all things video game related.

If a person ever bought a video game, then they are technically a stakeholder in the videogame community. A person buying a game is adding patronage to a product, and any public appearance (online or off) reinforces their relation to the game. Bad behavior becomes an indication to others how that game affects people, whether the people really are affected doesn't matter, it's how they're perceived. People need to stop acting like assholes while playing with any non-friend so they stop giving communities bad reputations.

 

[littlewisp]

Meh. I suppose I'm one of those toxic people on tribunal holding people up to my personal standards. I don't get raging. I've never hit punish for just one or two lines (everyone makes stupid mistakes) but when you've got two or three games where gg easy is said, usually that's not the only thing said. There's a special walk-the-line harassment that assholes (and oh yeah, I've met one of these guys irl -- he's an adult, and he threw a freaking tantrum at a theme park when he didn't get his way because someone else in the group had legit ptsd and couldn't take the screaming on the roller coasters and most of us wound up leaving) like to use with the whiny excuse of 'oh, I didn't do anything'. 'Oh, it's not me, it's the other people being thinned skinned'.

Know what? If I'm behaving in a way that makes you uncomfortable, go ahead and report me! I don't go out of my way to demean or bully people, and if my 'please don't argue guys' or 'do you have any suggestions to help out?' pisses people off, then whatever. Most of the time when people get angry in my games I'm able to talk them down because all they want is someone to listen to them. Usually. Sometimes people are just dicks.

Really though, c'mon. If you're doing "nothing" for four or five games where most people in the team are reporting you for harassment, perhaps you really just should spend more time around people irl to remember that you're not raging and ranting at intelligent computers.

I don't take peoples' bs irl, and I don't take it online either. Period. "GG easy" or the like is a symptom of disrespect that, usually, has other and worse offenses before it. It is just, imo, the last straw.

 

[Naeras]

LOL has a lot of issues and it isn't actually the stereotype "all lol players are assholes". But instead it is the fact that you have a company holding unrealistic standards onto players where something as harmless as "gg easy" can result in a permaban. Going through tribunal now compared to when it started you would have a hard time now actually finding players using words like ****** or cracker or making death threats. Now players are getting banned for criticisms or even the word "noob" even if the player in question being called a noob is going 0/14/0.

People don't get banned for criticism. Criticism implies constructiveness. Pointing out someone's faults won't get you reported, unless the person in question is a dick(in which case he gets reported himself by both teams, problem solved). In fact, it's information the player in question can take with him to subsequent games and help him improve.
The common response to someone playing bad, however, isn't pointing out their shortcomings so that they can correct them later. It's something along the lines of "OMFG FUCKING NOOB UNINSTALL THE GAME". Doing this doesn't help anyone, and it only proves the person calling names over the internet either has a bad attitude or anger management issues, probably both.

Also, there's no arguing that the phrase "gg easy" is really bad sport. I hope I don't need to explain why.

Banning people for not acting like a normal, functional and semi-polite human being should be standard procedure, imo. I'm glad Riot at least were willing to make an example of one of the really bad ones.

 

[LordLundar]

So when are they going to ban all the other LoL players?

Okay, that's not fair. We're not detestable ALL the time.

True, there has to be a point in the game where you're not communicating with anyone else.