Legend of the Galactic Heroes anime - do the space battles get better?

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I've seen this title recommended on the Escapist forums several times before and I've decided to give it a go. As in the title, as of writing this I've finished episode 8 and while I'm enjoying the behind-the-scenes noncombat action, the space battles leave me deeply unsatisfied. Both sides use two-dimensional tactics, and whenever someone faces one of the protagonists, they grab a hold of an idiot ball so huge, Han Solo would mistake it for a moon.
The first battle has 3 allied fleets of 13k ships facing off against an imperial fleet of 20k. They are so distant from each other, that the Imperial fleet manages to isolate and eliminate the allies and despite that being a fairly basic tactical maneuver, at no point do the allied commanders consider consolidating their formation. Furthermore, The 20k imperial fleet manages to take the first 2 allied fleets while suffering low enough damage to still hold a significant advantage over the last allied fleet.

The battle for Iserlohn was if anything, even worse. The whole thing hinges on infiltrating the fortress, which in turn hinges on the infiltrators getting to the commander under the premise that their leader holds confidential information. Leader who is pretending to be severely wounded despite not being so at all. This means a severely wounded man has not been given any medical attention (even if the premise is he may expire at any moment, this would improve his odds of making it to the garrison commander to relay the information), that the station has had no-one onboard with an adequate intel clearance to debrief the wounded captain (which is odd, because a major fortress of strategic importance should have at least a resident intelligence officer, not just to protect against infiltration but also to deter mutiny for example) and of course that the station staff allowed the infiltrators to bypass any security measures. We do see one of the officers request ID cards, which is resolved, but is that really ALL they had? No scanners that could detect the hidden weapons? No eyebrows raised by the fact that a ship that was either not in the imperial ship registry, or has been at best designated as lost some time ago claims to have been recently ambushed on patrol? And the commander of the garrisoned fleet is no better, he just charges in blindly in full force without establishing a perimeter, scouting ahead, ANYTHING, like he wants to get his arse handed to him, then falls for a cheap bluff and THEN decides to commit suicide along with his entire fleet, men, materiel and all because apparently that's more honourable than preserving 15000 ships (a sizable fleet by the in-universe standards, apparently) for future engagements. I know the guy's supposed to be a reckless glory hog, but DAMN, if his tactics are basically your average game's mook's aggro mechanics, couldn't the attacking force have as well pulled him into a cloud of the stealth explosive gas from episode 5?

Also, isn't jamming kind of OP? Don't they have uninterruptable short range comms? AFAIK back in the day, people would sometimes communicate in Morse using hand mirrors to "blink" messages to each other (this features rather heavily in a movie The Guns of Navarone), and there are modern direct laser comms devices operating on roughly the same idea. Even if such devices didn't exist in at the time LotGH was made, the basic premise of using light to convey a message is quite old and that they either don't have any short range comms at all, apparently, or have never thought to organize a relay (I'm thinking a series of comms buoys) to use short range comms to indirectly circumvent jamming until they're flanked.

And how has Phezzan stayed neutral through a 150 year war if they keep dealing with both sides openly enough, that they broker a purchase of a high powered Alliance defense system by an Imperial rebel world, and it's known widely enough that the rebel's advisor almost immediately realizes where the system came from? Or have they only recently emerged as a neutral force, but if so, how have they managed to acquire such wealth in short order as a rebel side?

So yeah, much of it is alright, but the parts I were really looking forward to kinda rub me the wrong way and I'm not sure I want to sit through 100 more episodes for nothing but mildly interesting political intrigue. Do they fix this?
 

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I am waiting for a Proper and Quality Acted English Dub of that show.

It just feels like the kind of show where the characters should not be speaking in Japanese.

Realistically the characters should be speaking in their correct langauges the Galactic Empire speaking German and the Alliance speak in whatever langauge, but English is the easiest to do.
 

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I absolutely love that show but granted I have no knowledge of real military tactics so any plausible explanation for fleet movements or infiltration methods isn't really criticized by me. The space battles are just a means to an end anyway. The real meat and potatoes are the characters and the political intrigue. I love seeing Reinhard's rise to power, a lower-class nobleman in a dictatorial dynasty that typically shuns anyone outside the aristocracy for high positions and his adversary Yang Wenli; a genius who ponders the inadequacy of 'democratic' leadership while he navigates his space fleet.

What happens behind the scenes and in the events leading up to the space battles is just so good. I would definitely recommend watching atleast the first season(24 episodes I believe) when Reinhard goes to war with the aristocracy and things take a bad turn for him personally. If the show haven't grabbed you by then you can always drop it. Legend of the Galactic Heroes takes its sweet time to set the stage but the world building and characterization is second to none. Definitely one of my all time favorite animes. Or shows in general.
 

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So many Japanese games and anime seem to have this peculiar predilection with German names. There is an actual story reason for it here but yeah, that you don't want characters to speak Japanese in a Japanese anime really doesn't make much sense. Also the anime started in like 1988 so waiting for an English dub is like waiting for pigs to fly.
 

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Ezekiel said:
Samtemdo8 said:
I am waiting for a Proper and Quality Acted English Dub of that show.

It just feels like the kind of show where the characters should not be speaking in Japanese.

Realistically the characters should be speaking in their correct langauges the Galactic Empire speaking German and the Alliance speak in whatever langauge, but English is the easiest to do.
You're not waiting for anything, because it's never gonna happen. I find this petty. It's like refusing to watch Ben-Hur (the original) because the characters don't speak Hebrew and ancient Italian. Your loss.
Well I can always wait for that Rumored Live Action Adaption.

But I will suck it up and watch the Anime in Japanese, even though its gonna feel really weird hearing these Japanese actors try to say Germanic words.

Than again Neon Genesis Evangelion had Asuka.
 

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I haven't been able to secure this show, so I can't really say much more than I want it.
 

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stroopwafel said:
Also the anime started in like 1988 so waiting for an English dub is like waiting for pigs to fly.
While this is true is should be remembered that Sentai only licenced it in 2015, and it's literally just yesterday that the show became possible to view in a legal means in North America (and even then it's just the first 8 episodes). Given how they aren't just going to sit on that as their streaming service big ticket, there is hope that a dub will come, even if small.

OT: OP if you're watching LotGH for the battles, you're going to have a bad time. It's all about the characters and the world in which they live in.

Also the human condition.











There is a reason why, despite a complete lack of fan service or moe, with the battles being few and far between, it's still considered the greatest anime series of all time.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
You're not waiting for anything, because it's never gonna happen. I find this petty. It's like refusing to watch Ben-Hur (the original) because the characters don't speak Hebrew and ancient Italian. Your loss.
Well I can always wait for that Rumored Live Action Adaption.

But I will suck it up and watch the Anime in Japanese, even though its gonna feel really weird hearing these Japanese actors try to say Germanic words.

Than again Neon Genesis Evangelion had Asuka.[/quote]

If you're willing to wait, I have a feeling that in about 10 months or so they'll announce the blu ray release, and that could have a dub. Sentai is using this show as the flagship for its new service, and February is when they're set to finish it, so that's when I think they'll make any announcements regarding the physical release.
 

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Thanks for the answers, everyone. As I said, I did kind of enjoy the non-combat bits, so I'll probably keep watching, if maybe not right away - basically just moving it down a couple rungs on my to-watch list, but it definitely stays there (especially since if a MAL review is to be believed, it get a bit better after 1st season).

Also, fans of the series may find this [https://myanimelist.net/anime/31433/Ginga_Eiyuu_Densetsu_2017] interesting, found it while rooting through MAL.
 

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Can someone spoonfeed on this series? Apparently there's 2 versions of it?

And why didn't people talk about it around the 90s? It seems people have only gotten into it these past 5 years.
 

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Marik2 said:
Can someone spoonfeed on this series? Apparently there's 2 versions of it?
There's a 55 episode side series.
And why didn't people talk about it around the 90s? It seems people have only gotten into it these past 5 years.
Because before the internet it was pretty much impossible to get. It's 110 episodes that never got released in the West. Hell the only Western release until 2 days ago was the original pilot/movie getting a French release.
 

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Zontar said:
Marik2 said:
Can someone spoonfeed on this series? Apparently there's 2 versions of it?
There's a 55 episode side series.
And why didn't people talk about it around the 90s? It seems people have only gotten into it these past 5 years.
Because before the internet it was pretty much impossible to get. It's 110 episodes that never got released in the West. Hell the only Western release until 2 days ago was the original pilot/movie getting a French release.
Are those subs accurate or are they joking?
 

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Marik2 said:
Zontar said:
Marik2 said:
Can someone spoonfeed on this series? Apparently there's 2 versions of it?
There's a 55 episode side series.
And why didn't people talk about it around the 90s? It seems people have only gotten into it these past 5 years.
Because before the internet it was pretty much impossible to get. It's 110 episodes that never got released in the West. Hell the only Western release until 2 days ago was the original pilot/movie getting a French release.
Are those subs accurate or are they joking?
Accurate if the books are to be believed.
 

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stroopwafel said:
So many Japanese games and anime seem to have this peculiar predilection with German names. There is an actual story reason for it here but yeah, that you don't want characters to speak Japanese in a Japanese anime really doesn't make much sense. Also the anime started in like 1988 so waiting for an English dub is like waiting for pigs to fly.
There is a certain... kinship I guess you could say due to them both being allies during world war II, and the, uh 'noble failure' that they both 'endured' as a result. The war-crimes committed tend to be swept under the rug, to the point some wartime set anime focus only on the suffering of Japanese children who are innocent, and have no knowledge or understanding of the war beyond now their suffering for some reason, and some would like to pretend Japan was quietly minding its own business until Hiroshima and Nagasaki got nuked.

Some wanted the final volume of Barefoot Gen banned because it acknowledged the Japanese war-crimes, and another manga was banned for basing scenes off of photographic accounts of the rape of Nanking and other incidents.
 

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I do wonder if Germany has weeaboo tendencies in their media. Considering Japanese media has a fascination with German stuff.