Lets Bash Religion...or Not

[Kubanator]

Well..the starting point would really be it's derivation..so the starting point would be 1

No, that would be it's derivative. The derivative represents the rate of change, not the beginning. There is no beginning to f(x) = x, as for any point you pick on the graph, you can find one further back.

and the derivation of 1 would be some indefinite thing.

That would be 0....

I'm not extremely religious, but I fail to see how a universe, could exist without some form of creator. Yes, random things can happen, but without a 'Master of the Universe' so to speak, there couldn't be anything in the first place. Nothing could exist if God didn't.

In comparative terms, it doesn't matter what operating system you're running if nobody made the computer. Get what I'm saying?

If god can exist out of nothing, so can the universe.

And what I'm saying is that you quoted RexoftheFord as myself look at your post, then try and find me sating that.

And I would just like to say that my opponent pees sitting down.

Like a girl.

Well, uh..... you like men.

 

[grimsprice]

Personally, I am Severely Irked at both Religious Fundementalists/Zealots, aswell as annoying Existentialists and Religion-Bashers Equally.

I believe that Religion is a Much needed source of Moral Fiber. One Might say "Yah, but Religion Started all the Wars in the World."

However, it is in Human nature to Kill one's Neighbor for Resources. Even Supposedly Religious wars where not Really wars of Religion, more Economicly-Minded People Misrepresenting Religious Principals to Motivate Religious-Minded People to Fight their Wars.

Indeed, without the Religious Concept of "You will be Eternally blessed if You Cooperate with your Neighbor, but Tossed into Hell if You Disrupt society", our Civilization would Probably not have Evolved from Barbarism, With all of the Idealists and Thinkers Being Killed of by the thugs who, Lacking Moral Guidelines Would Destroy most of the Intellectuals useing the Time-honored Logic of the Survival of the Fittest.

In short, I believe in the Positive Societal benefits of Faith, but I couldn't Care less if It is true or Not.

However, People who Drive their Opinionated Bigotry to Such Extremes to Lose all sense of Logic and Civility I have no respect for.

Congratulations! By the power vested in me by the Circle of Gygax, and in accordance with Internet Justice Protocol 31-B, I hearby award you the Medal of Common Sense.

Wear it proudly, because there are so few people who have it.

Lol that reminds me of the Patton Oswald sky cake comedy skit. "ITS CAKE MOTHER FUCKER YOU'RE DEAD!!!". LOL

 

[Margrave Rinstock]

Personally, I am Severely Irked at both Religious Fundementalists/Zealots, aswell as annoying Existentialists and Religion-Bashers Equally.

I believe that Religion is a Much needed source of Moral Fiber. One Might say "Yah, but Religion Started all the Wars in the World."

However, it is in Human nature to Kill one's Neighbor for Resources. Even Supposedly Religious wars where not Really wars of Religion, more Economicly-Minded People Misrepresenting Religious Principals to Motivate Religious-Minded People to Fight their Wars.

Indeed, without the Religious Concept of "You will be Eternally blessed if You Cooperate with your Neighbor, but Tossed into Hell if You Disrupt society", our Civilization would Probably not have Evolved from Barbarism, With all of the Idealists and Thinkers Being Killed of by the thugs who, Lacking Moral Guidelines Would Destroy most of the Intellectuals useing the Time-honored Logic of the Survival of the Fittest.

In short, I believe in the Positive Societal benefits of Faith, but I couldn't Care less if It is true or Not.

However, People who Drive their Opinionated Bigotry to Such Extremes to Lose all sense of Logic and Civility I have no respect for.

Congratulations! By the power vested in me by the Circle of Gygax, and in accordance with Internet Justice Protocol 31-B, I hearby award you the Medal of Common Sense.

Wear it proudly, because there are so few people who have it.

I am Honored.

 

[The Mick]

If you really think about it god is the universe and the universe is god. God can exists without being intelligent at all, people are made up of elements and those of atoms which are the building blocks of matter and energy right? It's been a while since I've tries to use science, so thats what I have to say. If thats true what ever force controls the most basic of basic would be considered a god because from him everything is created, when most people picture god they think of another human only more powerful and if they're really advanced a ball of light. What if god did exist but was a force rather then a being all on its own what if god couldn't think but only act as a natural component in of itself to help shape life. Like I said before not that good with science only speaking what I can see with my own eyes and only using my imagination to create what I'm saying.

 

[RexoftheFord]

If you really think about it god is the universe and the universe is god. God can exists without being intelligent at all, people are made up of elements and those of atoms which are the building blocks of matter and energy right? It's been a while since I've tries to use science, so thats what I have to say. If thats true what ever force controls the most basic of basic would be considered a god because from him everything is created, when most people picture god they think of another human only more powerful and if they're really advanced a ball of light. What if god did exist but was a force rather then a being all on its own what if god couldn't think but only act as a natural component in of itself to help shape life. Like I said before not that good with science only speaking what I can see with my own eyes and only using my imagination to create what I'm saying.

I think you've come onto something that many people in this thread have overlooked. Very intelligent and well thought out mate. I'd like to talk to you more about this, so I'm going to add you if you don't mind.

 

[grimsprice]

If you really think about it god is the universe and the universe is god. God can exists without being intelligent at all, people are made up of elements and those of atoms which are the building blocks of matter and energy right? It's been a while since I've tries to use science, so thats what I have to say. If thats true what ever force controls the most basic of basic would be considered a god because from him everything is created, when most people picture god they think of another human only more powerful and if they're really advanced a ball of light. What if god did exist but was a force rather then a being all on its own what if god couldn't think but only act as a natural component in of itself to help shape life. Like I said before not that good with science only speaking what I can see with my own eyes and only using my imagination to create what I'm saying.

I think you've come onto something that many people in this thread have overlooked. Very intelligent and well thought out mate. I'd like to talk to you more about this, so I'm going to add you if you don't mind.

You know whats high-larious about this. It goes right back to our discussion. Its only a matter of word games. When you sit down and define things in a mathematical way, most arguments dissolve. If he defines that as God, then he is simply relabeling the thing that science is already trying to prove. Making it a moot point. An interesting one, but still moot.

 

[RexoftheFord]

If you really think about it god is the universe and the universe is god. God can exists without being intelligent at all, people are made up of elements and those of atoms which are the building blocks of matter and energy right? It's been a while since I've tries to use science, so thats what I have to say. If thats true what ever force controls the most basic of basic would be considered a god because from him everything is created, when most people picture god they think of another human only more powerful and if they're really advanced a ball of light. What if god did exist but was a force rather then a being all on its own what if god couldn't think but only act as a natural component in of itself to help shape life. Like I said before not that good with science only speaking what I can see with my own eyes and only using my imagination to create what I'm saying.

I think you've come onto something that many people in this thread have overlooked. Very intelligent and well thought out mate. I'd like to talk to you more about this, so I'm going to add you if you don't mind.

You know whats high-larious about this. It goes right back to our discussion. Its only a matter of word games. When you sit down and define things in a mathematical way, most arguments dissolve. If he defines that as God, then he is simply relabeling the thing that science is already trying to prove. Making it a moot point. An interesting one, but still moot.

This relates back to the issue I was talking about earlier about the philosophical issue of language and arguing on two different terms.

I bet you science and some religions are really discussing the same idea but on two different terms.

Mind if I add you as well mate so we can discuss this further?

 

[The Mick]

If you really think about it god is the universe and the universe is god. God can exists without being intelligent at all, people are made up of elements and those of atoms which are the building blocks of matter and energy right? It's been a while since I've tries to use science, so thats what I have to say. If thats true what ever force controls the most basic of basic would be considered a god because from him everything is created, when most people picture god they think of another human only more powerful and if they're really advanced a ball of light. What if god did exist but was a force rather then a being all on its own what if god couldn't think but only act as a natural component in of itself to help shape life. Like I said before not that good with science only speaking what I can see with my own eyes and only using my imagination to create what I'm saying.

I think you've come onto something that many people in this thread have overlooked. Very intelligent and well thought out mate. I'd like to talk to you more about this, so I'm going to add you if you don't mind.

No not at all go ahead. What you really need to think about is what religious people constantly say "Open you mind to the possibilites." really what they mean is if you think about it I'm right. But if you take it literally it does mean open your mind and you can think of amazing things, your imagination works just as well as anyone elses all you have to do is think.

 

[The Mick]

It might be a more scientific way to explain god but everything no matter how small can be and has to be explained and at this moment science is our best way of doing so. Explaining god the largest thing ever of all time has to be done at some point, and explaining it scientifcally is only one way to do so. You can explain it from an artists point of view as well, saying that god is a source of beauty, connection, and enlightenment; god can be explained in anyway and religion is really just a base for people to connect with a higher plane to understand that the universe is a big place and there place in it is very small. It's a way to get to know them selves from outside who they are with help from something bigger then them.

 

[Mad World]

That's horrible logic. They still have to go and confess to someone else, obviously.

What do you mean, exactly?

Christians, at least, only believe they need to confess their sins to God - not anyone else.

New Covenant

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."--Jesus

Yet when you confess and repent your sins are removed. Thus any priest or religious figure is automatically without sin.

I think Jesus meant that whoever is completely and utterly perfect may cast the first stone. While we can ask for forgiveness, we are still considered imperfect; we have sinned before, and we will sin again.

 

[The Mick]

what Jesus meant is that no man is with out sin that no matter how religious you are you still have original sin. And if not original sin you will still commit sins just like every other man has, no man is better then the other we are all equal. And as such as a whole we all carry our own sins.

 

[The Mick]

Really what this all boils down to is that we all want to be right and the only way to be right is to prove everyone else wrong. But thats not true two people with entirely different ideals and put into a different context they can mean the same thing or prove the other right.

 

[RexoftheFord]

Really what this all boils down to is that we all want to be right and the only way to be right is to prove everyone else wrong. But thats not true two people with entirely different ideals and put into a different context they can mean the same thing or prove the other right.

Well, perhaps we're all wrong and to try to prove eachother wrong is just as foolish as trying to prove to a dog that it's really a human being.

I've come to realize that I really don't know anything about the universe, and that any knowledge I have is really rather uncertain.

Notice how many people in here have proclaimed their knowledge with absolute certainty of its truth. When they can't be certain. Even with all the evidence our world has to provide, you can't be certain it will be uniform throughout the entirety of the universe.

If you put all the knowledge Earth has to provide into one man, he still will know only a the most microscopic bit of a percentage of what the Universe could provide.

 

[Yanarix]

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ah but really, dont stone people. its just about the worst way imaginable to die.

 

[Skeleon]

I obviously arrived too late to properly add to this thread, so let me just say this in response to the OP:

Yes, I dislike extremists of any kind, too, and I don't like it when threads get out of hand and devolve into mindless flaming.
But no, I don't think we should avoid religious (and even anti-religious) threads as long as they're civil and not a flame war.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be stopped.
I don't like all those threads about guns, but I'm not petitioning against them.

However, when such a thread ends up with flames and aggressions flying around, either a mod has to step in and clean it up or close the thread. We have moderators for a reason, let them moderate.

It's always the argument when a religion thread opens up that "this'll end in flames" but, funnily enough, often it does not happen. And sometimes, when it happens, it's because of the people saying it'll end in flames. They're fulfilling their own prophecy.

So let's just keep it civil, continue our discussions and let the moderators handle it.

 

[Mad World]

What do you mean, exactly?

Christians, at least, only believe they need to confess their sins to God - not anyone else.

Well, why would a priest be devoid of sin because people confess their sins to him? That's simply not logical. It's like saying a man has no secrets because other people tell him theirs. They're actually unrelated events. Every Christian should repent their sins, regardless of position.

So, priests confess to other priests.

I don't agree with Avykins; I don't believe a priest would be devoid of sin just because people confess their sins to him.

I apologize; I think I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying priests have to confess their sins to people in order to be forgiven, but you were just trying to point out Avykins' fault, correct?

Sorry about that.

Though, here is something to note: I believe Avykins was talking about priests or religious figures being momentarily without sin immediately after asking God for forgiveness. I don't think he was referring to them being without sin solely because others came to them for forgiveness.

 

[The Mick]

Yes what we have to learn is even if we don't agree it's always insightful to see how others view things you oppose to get a new perspective and a better outlook. Becoming angry with someone over such things is horrible to begin with, everything should be balanced and calm if you want to continue foreward. When one person does something wrong all those who are connected effected as well, remeber that when posting; everyone can hear you and is giving you a chance don't abuse that. Never forget it is you who has come here for commerce and to exchange ideals not to fight over things like this.