let's debate piracy and the hypocrisy behind it

[Petromir]

A man works for his new car, he's proud that he's been able to save up and afford it. A poor man sees the car and steals it, he can never afford this car so it's okay that he stole it.

This would be an alright arguement if you where entitled to games, but your not, they are a nessessity. Someone stealing drugs to save his daughters life is wrong even if his reasons are right, it's a tragedy but it's life. Someone being poor therefore stealing games is just a crime, and jacks a douche because of it.

Ah, but in the case of Jack, nothing was ever lost.(taking the extreme example here, Jack couldn't even afford the game even if he wanted to buy it) You can't compare digital piracy to the theft of physical objects. The guy that got his car stolen, no longer has a car while a downloaded copy never existed(if you're going to argue that it's a potential sale lost, you're making me lose money by not buying my MS-paint stick figure art).

Irrelivant, you've still gained a piece of someone elses work, that they charge for, without paying, thatas theft. It's abit like a service, if i break down outside a garage and ask the mechanic to fix it, and he uses no parts, and no other works there, nobody passes along the road, and i then drive off without payment I've procured a service by decpetion, which is theft.

 

[FinalDream]

why are people so hateful on people like jack?

Because it is no justification.

 

[numaiomul]

Guess what? It isn't. It's just pathetic. Have a real discussion about Piracy instead of trying to paint up a biased picture of it.

let's have a real discusion i'm not pro-piracy but i'm anti-anti-piracy

If Jack is so poor, why doesn't he get a fucking job instead of playing video games all day?

if you want to talk in a forum please read previous posts before jumping head first in a conversion

I believe "Jack" just got owned.

did u really want to say a useles opinion on a serious subject ? :-/

Stealing is wrong. Piracy is stealing. /thread.

Real mature Jesus and sorry because you are a saint and are pure of heart and never in your life have you done anything wrong.

 

[lacktheknack]

no one here is a saint so just shut up with the anti-piracy bravado.

We aren't all perfect, so we can't have a strong opinion!

your are companies fanboys.

Wow. Immature name calling? Over us majorly disagreeing with you?

We don't care what you ACTUALLY believe, we care about what you write down. And that's why you're getting so much bile. You say in your response that you aren't making pro-piracy propaganda, but you continue to write down responses that say otherwise.

I can't say I'm sorry for you either, you should now that doing this was like dipping your feet in a piranha tank.

 

[AngloDoom]

It's wrong. There's no arguement. You're taking something from a company you have no right to without purchase. If 'Jack' stood up on a roof and shouted to the world "I copy games" I'd have no problem with him. When 'Jack' shies away from it, and tries to justify it by saying "I don't have the money for food, but I have wireless", then 'Jack' is a dickhead.

 

[EHKOS]

*walks in*
*notices what thread is about*
*turns and walks out to play all the stolen games on hdd*

 

[Thraxio]

i NEVER said that piracy is not stealing.

Really, now?

i NEVER said that stealing is good or that pirates don't steal. they ALL do and that's why their called pirates but some might buy the game. stealing a DIGITAL property has no money loss for a company but wanting to buy the game for more features is a money gain.

There's a perfect example of hypocrisy, OP.

 

[RathWolf]

everyone says that piracy hurts sales A LOT. that is complete and utter c***. THINK LOGICAL. NO ONE in their right mind would download a broken down copy with no multiplayer, most features being unusable, try to find a proper crack, serial and all the rest security features instead of just buying a full featured, multiplayer active game. NO ONE. at least 80% who pirate don't have money for games but when they will turn out money and they liked a pirated game and want more they WILL BUY it.
and sober thal your showing your inability to argue when you intentionally misinterpret my words. i NEVER said that stealing is good or that pirates don't steal. they ALL do and that's why their called pirates but some might buy the game. stealing a DIGITAL property has no money loss for a company but wanting to buy the game for more features is a money gain.

Let me break this down for you.

everyone says that piracy hurts sales A LOT. that is complete and utter c***. THINK LOGICAL.

Logically? Okay. There were at least 4.1 million pirated copies of MW2 last year. Given it's pricing at $60, that at least $246,000,000 in sales lost to piracy. What was that you were saying about piracy not having an impact on sales?

NO ONE in their right mind would download a broken down copy with no multiplayer, most features being unusable, try to find a proper crack, serial and all the rest security features instead of just buying a full featured, multiplayer active game. NO ONE.

Except several people do that. Oh, right, except they find a cracked version with working multiplayer.

At least 80% who pirate don't have money for games but when they will turn out money and they liked a pirated game and want more they WILL BUY it.

Haha, no. That's a nice lie pirates tell themselves so they don't feel bad about stealing. 90% of pirates can afford the games they download, but they don't want to pay. Less than 1% will actually purchase a game after pirating it.

stealing a DIGITAL property has no money loss for a company but wanting to buy the game for more features is a money gain.

Except the money lost because you're stealing a game rather than paying for it.

 

[kickyourass]

so with all those things taken into consideration why are people so hateful on people like jack? :-/

Because Jack doesn't have any right to games.
They are a fluff 'extra' in life, and if Jack can't afford them, then too freaking bad.
There are plenty of things I would like that I don't have, but you've got to live within your means. It doesn't give Jack, or anyone else, the right to just steal something they'd normally have to pay for.

Poverty isn't an excuse for things like video games. You don't need them to live, and the fact that Jack might be able to afford 1 after 5 months of working should only make him thankful that he isn't one of the thousands dying from preventable diseases and starvation every day.

Jack can't afford games? Well boo-freaking-hoo. I can't afford a BMW. Oh well, life goes on.
Jack: Get a new hobby, or treasure the few games you can afford. But you aren't 'owed' anything, you don't 'deserve' games, and you have no 'right' to them. Either pay for them like a regular person, or do without.

Pretty much this, if he can't afford to buy it, well then you know what Jack? That's just too damn bad, be happy that you can afford food. Just a question though, if Jack can't afford a game without 5 months of working, how does he pay for the Internet connection required to look up those torrents? Wouldn't it be much easier for him to actually buy the games if he wasn't paying for the Internet connection or is he stealing that to?

 

[lacktheknack]

Stealing is wrong. Piracy is stealing. /thread.

Real mature Jesus and sorry because you are a saint and are pure of heart and never in your life have you done anything wrong.

You make me want to shoot blood out of my eyes.

We aren't allowed to call out a wrongdoing because we aren't perfect? Isn't that exactly what YOU are doing in the opening post!? Calling out everyone who rags on pirates?

 

[PhiMed]

WHY THE HATE?. did they steal from you?

No, but they stole from the developer and publisher, which leads to this:

Piracy is bad for the gaming industry. That's a fact. If not because it lowers sales, then because it increases paranoia with companies like Ubisoft (Read: Latest DRM)

Jack hurts gaming, if he's based on your friends, then your friends are hurting gaming. I don't hate them, but I'm stating a fact.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Hmmm, why do people not like a thief?

Because they steal things that don't belong to them.

I can agree with this logic. I cannot afford a BMW but I don't go out and steal one. Just because theft of IP does not result in a physical loss does not make it anything other than theft with a swashbuckling name.

 

[bleh002]

Guess what? It isn't. It's just pathetic. Have a real discussion about Piracy instead of trying to paint up a biased picture of it.

let's have a real discusion i'm not pro-piracy but i'm anti-anti-piracy

If Jack is so poor, why doesn't he get a fucking job instead of playing video games all day?

if you want to talk in a forum please read previous posts before jumping head first in a conversion

I believe "Jack" just got owned.

did u really want to say a useles opinion on a serious subject ? :-/

Stealing is wrong. Piracy is stealing. /thread.

Real mature Jesus and sorry because you are a saint and are pure of heart and never in your life have you done anything wrong.

If you are truly interested in fostering discussion, responding to other posters in this manner is counter productive.

Name calling, straw man arguments and deliberately misunderstanding someone will hinder that.

 

[King Kupofried]

There are thousands and thousands of free games to play. No, I don't just mean Flash games, I mean free fully functional games with hundreds of man hours poured into them that they willingly put up for free use and consumption (They do try to get donations from you though, and if you spend alot of time you should give them something eventually).

Lack of money, and desperation are no valid reasons for this by simple fact of the sheer amount of alternatives. If Jack doesn't want to comb through all the poorly made free games, I'm sure he could ask a nice friendly forum community and every single person will probably have a dozen or more games to show him.

Also.. Ubisoft's DRM, I'm sorry, can you say that piracy doesn't affect Consumers and Companies again?

 

[TPiddy]

Sorry OP, this shit does not, and will not ever, fly in any community. Stealing food or water is one thing, I won't ever criticize someone who is forced to do that to survive... but you're stealing fucking GAMES to HAVE FUN, when there are plenty of other free ways to have fun.

Don't even begin to try to justify what you're doing.

 

[Rauten]

You are right, my inability to argue due to my intentionally misinterpreting your words causes me shame.

I wonder if pirates ever feel shame? Nah, probably not.

I can confirm you, we don't. Well, most of the time. We usually have a soft spot for indie devs.

Stealing is wrong. Piracy is stealing. /thread.

Stealing is wrong. Piracy is stealing in SOME countries. It's legal here in Spain, as long as there's no intention to make a profit from it. Mwahahaha.

 

[Doitpow]

Okey, this is pro-piracy propaganda. You try and paint up a worst case scenario so your point is more valid.

Piracy is bad for the gaming industry. That's a fact. If not because it lowers sales, then because it increases paranoia with companies like Ubisoft (Read: Latest DRM) If you support it or not is a matter of morals.

Like Audio Cassettes were bad for the music industry? or like VHS was bad for the film industry?

Stealing is wrong. Piracy is stealing. /thread.

http://img.megaleecher.net/uploads/piracy-is-theft.jpg


And as to those who say Pirates are just leaches...I just refer you to....
http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/04/study-pirates-buy-tons-more-music-than-average-folks.ars
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music

Consider an art gallery. Everyone can go in for free. Some people buy it. Everyone enjoys it. Dismantling internet piracy is like burning down this gallery, fewer people will buy the art, and far fewer will even see it.


But we'll never agree, this argument has gone on for centuries, and there's no way in hell one side is going to back down so screw it.