Let's revive the WWII genre

[EGtodd09]

Brothers in Arms is the only WWII game (franchise) I know to focus on the story, (albeit very loosely based on actual events, but a story none-the-less) but it's gameplay, atmosphere and the ability for the game to easily flow on suffered for it. I'm not saying we can't get a perfect WWII game, I'm just saying it will be very expensive to get all the aspects of a game done properly, and sales probably wouldn't cover the costs meaning publishers wouldn't buy into the idea and provide the funds.

 

[Aeonknight]

Here's one for a twist. How about where you play as a nazi? Can't think of any games off hand that have you playing as the bad guys.

Battlefield has you play both sides, Red Orchestra has you play as a Wehrmacht soldier, in Sniper Elite you play an american (?) special operative that officially works FOR the germans killing soviets (you wear a german uniform and all)...

BUT I dislike playing as a Nazi...I would rather like playing as a german, thank you very much.
YES, there IS a difference, it is significant!

Battlefield doesn't necessarily count... yea you can play as a german soldier but there's really no context to it. You might as well be red team/blue team, it'd make as much sense. No one plays Battlefield games for the solo campaign, maybe 3 will change that.

Red Orchestra... never played it.

Imo, a well developed solo campaign from the POV of a german through things like... the invasion of france, bombing of britain, etc. But also add in personal moral dilemma (since not every Nazi agreed with what was being done, some just followed suit so as to not be persecuted themselves) for character development. Could be pretty good.

 

[wammnebu]

I still want my WWI shooter

 

[Neverhoodian]

I just want to see a return to World War 2 flight games for the PC like in the 80s and 90s. Not the arcade-style ones either, where you shoot down 50 German planes per mission. I'm talking about actual sims, where enemy aircraft pose a genuine challenge. I want to return to things like dynamic campaigns and the ability to fly for either side.

Given the processing power of modern PCs, I'm sure they could finally give WW2 air combat a proper sense of scale. For example, during the later years of the war it was common for the Allies to send 1,000+ bombers against a target in Germany. Imagine if there actually were that many planes in a game to simulate such a raid. Now throw in several hundred escorts and enemy fighters, along with copious amounts of flak. How epic would that be?

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

I still want my WWI shooter

Look up "The Trenches" on Steam. Not sure if it's still alive, but I think I remember it as fun.

I wish there was a WW2 naval warfare simulator. Closest thing I have at the moment is the naval combat in Hearts of Iron II.

There's also, Naval Ops (if you do WWII section only) Battlestations: Midway, and Battlestations: Pacific. There's more, but I'm too tired to look them up.

 

[Soviet Steve]

I wish there was a WW2 naval warfare simulator. Closest thing I have at the moment is the naval combat in Hearts of Iron II.

 

[Serving UpSmiles]

I would set in Africa, and maybe some encounters with Arab nations, now that would be interesting.

Or make it like Inglourious Basterds where a small group of American soldiers in German Controlled France and make them assasinate Nazis, sort of like Assasins Creed, but a shooter as well.

 

[kelevra]

Trolololololololol

"Let's revive the WW2 genre"

Uhm, lets not and say we did.

*EDIT*

Let's not.

Fucker beat me to it.

Ninja'd twice

 

[KaiRai]

I'd like to see some other wars done. What about a WW1 shooter? Shit that'd be good. Falklands? Serbian war? How about one of the conflicts in Africa?

The possibilities are endless. It's like saying you could have many a delicious and exotic meal but you order steak EVERYTIME.

 

[kelevra]

I'd like to see some other wars done. What about a WW1 shooter? Shit that'd be good. Falklands? Serbian war? How about one of the conflicts in Africa?

The possibilities are endless. It's like saying you could have many a delicious and exotic meal but you order steak EVERYTIME.

African conflicts.... 8| That's not a happy bundle of laughs dude. Instead of organised armies beating the shit out of each other (with behind the scenes murder as was the case in WW2), It'd be a tiny bit of organised conflict... followed by the rest of the game consisting of hands being hacked off and women getting raped.

Sure, you could be a UN peacekeeper or South African mercenary dispensing righteous justice on the (various) bastards responsible for those warcrimes. But it'll be traumatising, I can guarantee you that. On that note, Farcry 2 tried this approach and failed epically.

 

[Chrinik]

Here's one for a twist. How about where you play as a nazi? Can't think of any games off hand that have you playing as the bad guys.

Battlefield has you play both sides, Red Orchestra has you play as a Wehrmacht soldier, in Sniper Elite you play an american (?) special operative that officially works FOR the germans killing soviets (you wear a german uniform and all)...

BUT I dislike playing as a Nazi...I would rather like playing as a german, thank you very much.
YES, there IS a difference, it is significant!

Battlefield doesn't necessarily count... yea you can play as a german soldier but there's really no context to it. You might as well be red team/blue team, it'd make as much sense. No one plays Battlefield games for the solo campaign, maybe 3 will change that.

Red Orchestra... never played it.

Imo, a well developed solo campaign from the POV of a german through things like... the invasion of france, bombing of britain, etc. But also add in personal moral dilemma (since not every Nazi agreed with what was being done, some just followed suit so as to not be persecuted themselves) for character development. Could be pretty good.

You acknowledge that not every german soldier was a Nazi, yet still call them Nazis...
That´s like me calling all north americans "republican"...
A Nazi was a member of the NSDAP or a follower thereoff, a National Socialist, not a german per se, as Hitler was Austrian, and therefore not a Nazi? I doubt it XD

I once made the suggestion to play a full fledged, heiling Nazi, who then gets shipped off to war, and after initial success in Poland and France, then slowly realizes he doesn´t like what is becoming of germany and serriously doubts the actions of his "Führer", and deep in Russia, he makes a complete Heel-Face-Turn, maybe abandons his post, and joins the soviets or whatever, to retake Berlin. Maybe his entire squad joins in and become traitors to the Reich...that would be interresting.

 

[IBlackKiteI]

Still, I'd like to see the most famous battles done right. I want to see D-day. I want to see Stalingrad. And I want to see them done well, and to stay true to actual battles and events. I'm talking the most realistic and historically accurate WWII game to date. Sure, more discreet battles are okay, but we need to see the big ones done correctly first.

Give Call of Duty 2 a go. Probably the most realistic arcade-styled game FPS game I know of, though I mean realism less so in game mechanics and moreso in how close it seems to replicating an actual conflict.
Though if you have played it, and didn't like it, then I'm not sure.

It features Stalingrad and Pointe Du Hoc of D-Day 1944, which are two of the most memorable campaigns I've played.

Also;

That exactly is a factor in creating the BEST shooter experience ever.
Too bad it's a risk game developers don't take, trying to humanize their antagonists and making you feel bad for killing them since it sometimes isn't just for self defense.
I had a scene in my mind once, set in a fictional shooter game in which you are a civilian forced upon you to become an armed "freedom fighter" or terrorist, depends on who you're asking, that shoots a soldier and kills him. Then you go into a shock state and start vomiting after you've realized you've killed a man (all in first person). THAT is an experience to remember.

Its extremely unfortunate that devs just usually don't even try to do anything like this.
However, in the previously mentioned Call of Duty 2 its possible to wound an enemy soldier and watch him attempt to crawl to the safety of his remaining allies. Theres also quite a few sequences which involve soldiers being killed in some particularly gruesome and horrific ways (a guy being shredded by an MG42 through a doorway, soldiers trudging around aimlessly while on fire for instance.)
Even just shooting an enemy is pretty jarring, wounded or killed enemies often produce some particularly horrible (in a good way) screams. Or they might grab their neck and roll around on the ground a bit before bleeding out.

This one of the reasons I liked CoD 2 so much. Not because it has this, but because when it shows you these hellish depictions of warfare it never seems to go "Oh look at that! Look at the gritty realism and intensity! Isn't the player just totally sympathising with those poor bastards right now?"
It just shows you such scenes, right in front of you, without trying to make a big deal out of it.
It uses these things as another addition to the game rather then a selling point, which the few other games that dare to attempt this sort of thing often do.

Call of Duty 2 and Deus Ex are the only games which made me give a shit about the virtual dudes my virtual dude was killing.
CoD 2 because of what I said above and Deus Ex because the most of the bad guys are either good guys or just people who don't really care about the big bad guy's ideals and just want to get paid and go home.
Again, Deus Ex doesn't make a big deal out of this either. In fact you could have no idea of the real nature of the majority of the enemies if you miss out on a fair chunk of dialog and such.

 

[MrShowerHead]

You want WWII?



There

[sub] [sub] Yes, yes, I know, I'm a fanboy... [/sub] [/sub]

 

[lapan]

No please. I'm tired of military shooters as a genre and we have enough of them yearly as it is.

 

[binvjoh]

I wasn't aware that it ever died.

Post number 1337, boo-yah!

 

[kevinsux909]

Why not one a bit more different,WWII wasn't just soldiers fighting CoD style all the time, why not a Heavy Rain style game from multiple views occasionally broken up with FPS action sequences?

 

[Supernova2000]

It's bad enough that most AAA game developers are chronically uncreative as it is these days without encouraging it by suggesting that we bring back a setting that has already been done to death (and undeath as the case may be with more recent titles). Will we be suggesting a revival of power-armoured-space-marines-versus-evil-aliens when that tired old theme has faded out? I sincerely hope not!

 

[Aeonknight]

Here's one for a twist. How about where you play as a nazi? Can't think of any games off hand that have you playing as the bad guys.

Battlefield has you play both sides, Red Orchestra has you play as a Wehrmacht soldier, in Sniper Elite you play an american (?) special operative that officially works FOR the germans killing soviets (you wear a german uniform and all)...

BUT I dislike playing as a Nazi...I would rather like playing as a german, thank you very much.
YES, there IS a difference, it is significant!

Battlefield doesn't necessarily count... yea you can play as a german soldier but there's really no context to it. You might as well be red team/blue team, it'd make as much sense. No one plays Battlefield games for the solo campaign, maybe 3 will change that.

Red Orchestra... never played it.

Imo, a well developed solo campaign from the POV of a german through things like... the invasion of france, bombing of britain, etc. But also add in personal moral dilemma (since not every Nazi agreed with what was being done, some just followed suit so as to not be persecuted themselves) for character development. Could be pretty good.

You acknowledge that not every german soldier was a Nazi, yet still call them Nazis...
That´s like me calling all north americans "republican"...
A Nazi was a member of the NSDAP or a follower thereoff, a National Socialist, not a german per se, as Hitler was Austrian, and therefore not a Nazi? I doubt it XD

I once made the suggestion to play a full fledged, heiling Nazi, who then gets shipped off to war, and after initial success in Poland and France, then slowly realizes he doesn´t like what is becoming of germany and serriously doubts the actions of his "Führer", and deep in Russia, he makes a complete Heel-Face-Turn, maybe abandons his post, and joins the soviets or whatever, to retake Berlin. Maybe his entire squad joins in and become traitors to the Reich...that would be interresting.

Are you done arguing semantics?

 

[Switchblade1080]

Long story short, OVER FUCKING USED!!