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DisasterSoiree

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Let's talk about sound decay.

That's what happens when a band tries to modernize and fails completely, either by incorporating the worst elements of contemporary music in a trite effort to emulate a commercially successful sound or through failing to understand the logical progression of their original style.

Some bands successfully complete the transition to a more modern sound - sometimes even improving on their old sound.

E.g. Tiamat: while I have nothing at all against their early old-school Sunshine Studios death metal sound - in fact, I'm a major fan of bands like that, I strongly prefer their newer gothic metal material, even if it has more in common with Type O Negative or Woods of Ypres than the band's own, older material.

Compare and contrast:


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Katatonia made a similar transition, and again, I prefer their new, modernized material, though both sounds are excellent.

Again, compare and contrast:


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Both bands progressed from their original sounds logically: Tiamat from a mysterial, ethereal death metal to a mystical, ethereal gothic rock approach; Katatonia from a reactionary, archaic (in the best possible way) approach to a modern, urban musical setting. Neither instance feels like a sell-out, or as though they forgot the thrust of their original artistry.


Some bands, on the other hand, absolutely cannot manage the transition between old and new sounds.

The worst offender, to my mind, is Queensryche. I adore their old stuff, even the Empire record, which some of the elitists on the Metal Archives dismiss as pop material. But I absolutely cannot defend anything they've released since the mid-1990s. And I think it's a great thing that the band kicked Geoff Tate out; he's the worst example of a prima donna vocalist in any genre that I can think of, single-handedly ruining the band simply because he hates metal.

Check out the decay.


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This latter track shouldn't exist. It was a product of the decadence and decay of contemporary music - though the direct blame for it can be leveled directly at Tate, he wouldn't have been led down this path in the first if modern music weren't so materialistic and superficial.

In Flames is just as bad. Gone are the titanic, superhuman harmonies of a track like "December Flower":


In their stead are the dumbed-down, palm-muted mallcore riffs over piss-weak screaming of their most recent release, Siren Charms.


Like Katatonia, In Flames ditched the mythological feeling of their earliest music in favor of a more contemporary, more urban setting. And as I've said, I'm not at all opposed on principle to this change; I fully enjoy albums like Colony and Clayman that hint at a more pop-oriented direction while retaining death metal riffs and vocals. I'm even willing to defend Reroute to Remain as an interesting experiment, as much as it may have produced the most annoying track in the history of metal [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39lMf8FNOYE]. I even go to bat for a couple of the tracks on Come Clarity; there were a few gems in that otherwise fecal pile of Breaking Benjamin and Three Days Grace throwaways.

It's the execution that fails on almost all levels in this latter attempt. I'm not at all surprised that the YouTube url for this video begins with 'gAY'. It sucks on every level. Fuck this band; In Flames needs to pull a Queensryche and evict Anders Frieden from the ranks.

Seriously, the same individual is singing on both of the following tracks.


The riffing in this song is mighty; the vocals in full-force; the lyrics as profound as a band whose first language is not in English and yet who nevertheless insist on singing in it have ever penned.

So what the fuck is this?


"The whole world can go to Hell"? Which one are you, Eric or Dylan?

There's a whole school of thought now that In Flames always sucked; I think it exists in order for old-school fans of the band to cover their asses. I've got nothing at all against their early and middle periods. But Goddamn they've turned into embarrassing emo shit.
 

Kevlar Eater

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DisasterSoiree said:
Relevant In Flames stuff
I don't believe In Flames always sucked. I particularly enjoyed their 1996-2002 albums, but Soundtrack to your Escape bored me to tears, and they went to hell in a handbasket with Come Clarity and have refused to slow down for a second onward. But I don't think Cloud Connected is the most annoying of their songs on that album. Crawl Through Knives [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgcUYJanrsg] takes the cake for me. Dear gods, what compelled Anders to scream like his frank and beans were being squeezed in a vise? And I also tried to listen to their latest album all the way through, but I gave up after listening to Everything's Gone [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYo2jbJa06I]. I'm so sorry for linking those torturous tracks. And I'll give Tiamat a listen, since I've never heard of them.
 

Kevlar Eater

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Just to give everyone an idea on what I enjoy most:






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Bara_no_Hime

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Oh! Me too - me too!

I'm a huge fan of Amaranthe. If you aren't familiar, they're a Swedish Death Metal band (that is, they're from Sweden and play "melodic Death Metal". They're kind of like Nightwish (who I also like) but somehow more awesome.



Edit: Edited for clarity.
 

duwenbasden

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Bara_no_Hime said:
Oh! Me too - me too!

I'm a huge fan of Amaranthe. If you aren't familiar, they're a Swedish Death Metal band (that is, they're from Sweden and play "melodic Death Metal". They're kind of like Nightwish (who I also like) but somehow more awesome.

Edit: Edited for clarity.
I think they are more... New Within Temptation/Delain (awesome) crossed with After Forever (also awesome).

//edit: 300!
 

edudewired

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Here's a few of the bit's and bob's keeping me going.

 

geK0

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Although metal is my preferred genre of music, I can't say that I'm very knowledgeable about it (I only listen to music occasionally to be honest). However, here are a few assorted songs that I like from a variety of subgenres.


God damn this is probably the longest time I've taken to write a post, of course I had to listen to every single one of these before I posted.
 

Tsun Tzu

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I'm just going to be "that guy" here.


Obligatory Babymetal!

Annnnd Maximum the Hormone.


As for the more traditional...

Nightwish. Rawr.


And Dethklok, because why not?


I love the symphonic approach. That or awesome guitar.
 

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Posting Metal and none of you wanks put forth any Be'lakor!


Also, for anyone who liked Iced Earth or Blind Guardian in this thread, here's some Iced Earth AND Blind Guardian in a sexy Iced Guardian sandwich.


And hey, it's Halloween, here's my favorite band making every day of your year Halloween:


You guys better check out at least one of them. I had to spend like 5 minutes of my life making an account on this damn forum just to get these to you.
 

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LostGryphon said:
I'm just going to be "that guy" here.


Obligatory Babymetal!
NO MORE BULLYING.

FOREVER.


Saw them at Sonisphere this year, pretty much the best set all weekend (except for Chaz & Dave, and possibly The Prodigy if I could remember any of it of). Can't say I actually like them that much although their backing band is insane, but it was fucking funny.
 

Jak2364

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I guess I'm not really posting stuff similar to what most people are posting here but screw it, I don't get the chance to share what I listen to very often so here goes. :p
Glass Cloud- Ivy & Wine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18qSzNtRdZI

The Contortionist- Language I: Intuition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Bc4pkSGfU

Periphery- Feed The Ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbPoBHec9Pg

Monuments- I, The Creator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnvMe0rWI2I
 

Michael Tabbut

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Scar Symmetry's Holographic Universe is one of my favorite albums of all time as well as songs.

Been listening to a fair amount of Rob Zombie lately and took a liking to the theme he made for Howard Stern.

I don't really care for Slipknot but I do like their third album, Pulse of the Maggots really gets me pumped.

After hearing this song in Sacred 2, Blind Guardian gained my interest.

After playing this song in Brutal Legend ad infinitum it's one of my favorite Motorhead songs.

I might be cheating on this one since the guy is more electronic music than metal but it's still in there (also a great fan video using Source Film Maker)
 

V4Viewtiful

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No sure if this counts as I was a Super group of the Grunge era but I think quite "Metal"

And even if it isn't, I don't care. I'm sharing this with everyone because it's soooooo cool

 

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Aw, I've been ninjaed on everything from Cynic, to Meshuggah and Gojira. Bah.

Hmm.
Has anyone mentioned Between The Buried And Me? They started out as a vaguely hardcore ish outfit, but they soon started adding in proggy elements and now their songs are these crazy awesome arrangements with tons of harmonies and oh my is it tasty.

Oh, holy shit, has noone mentioned Animals as Leaders? It's been a while since I listened to heavy music as the main portion of my musical diet, but I've always got time for some AAL. Their arrangements are very, very pretty, which more than makes up for the lack of vocals; Tosin can outplay virtually any guitarist on the planet.

Anyway-
This one has an insanely pretty guitar intro, then everything kicks in and it picks up the pace, but it's not heavy
This one's off the third album
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Fuck it, I can't decide what songs of theirs to link. They're all good.
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Also, I know they aren't strictly 'metal', but has anyone mentioned Tool?
They get written off as pretentious, and yeah they are a bit. Doesn't stop them writing songs that get right into your brain. They also have an insanely good drummer.

Finally, I'd like a mention a band that aren't even slightly metal, but nonetheless write very good, very weird electronic-y stuff with piano and guitars and the like. It's all awfully purdy and spacey sounding.
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DisasterSoiree

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I'm not very fond of Nightwish; I find them too overproduced and slick, as though they were manufactured to appeal to a certain cultural tendency.

If you like them, however, then I think it likely you'll enjoy the work of Flowing Tears. They're also female-fronted gothic metal, but much rawer, and I think the vocalist much superior to any singer that Nightwish ever had.


And if you enjoy metalcore but you're too embarrassed to admit it in front of your kvlt friends, Nightrage might be what you're looking for.