Let's talk Switch

[babinro]

Personal Opinion: Won't buy.

Primary Reason:
- True cost.
The base console lacks too many essential peripherals which all cost FAR too much. Sure you don't need any of them technically but most of us will feel that a couple of these are essential to our fundamental enjoyment of a console.

- No backwards compatibility for its Nintendo STORE.
Yes, I'm one of THOSE people. I never bought a WiiU solely because the catelog of games I bought on the Wii would not carry on forward for FREE. Forcing people to pay over and over again for roms anyone could download for free is insulting. I bought these digital games once and I'm not buying them again. I also refuse to pirate them because resorting to theft is still morally and ethically wrong. That means that all I can do is vote with my money. Until Nintendo runs its store reasonably, I will never ever support their consoles. Steam has been doing this for decades. Its common practice for online downloadable services.

Even without cost being a factor I'm still learning towards NOT buying the console for these reasons...

Secondary Reasons:
- Nintendo's poor history of 3rd party support shows no signs of improvement with this new console. If anything, things look even more hopeless than ever. Consoles are expensive, the last thing I want is to buy a console that has no games for me to play for stretches of several months at a time. Nintendo has had this problem for several console generations now.

- Nintendo's desire to release the same extremely well made game generation after generation has grown old for me. I'm sure Zelda will be great but I haven't truly loved a 3D Zelda game since Windwaker. The same thing goes for Mario franchise which have only gotten worse for me since Gamecube era. I know Mario Galaxy gets a ton of praise but Mario to me is defined by its PERFECT controls and that was lost in the Galaxy games. Never played Cat Mario and I'll admit that one seems pretty great but its not system selling great.

- Nintendo's horrible online service is now an optional paid one? No thank you. I can't justify to pay money for Xbox or PS's online service so Nintendo has no hope given that everything they've announced about it sounds worse than the competition.

- Nintendo's outlook towards its fans (youtube). People want to promote your material either positively or negatively within the boundaries of fair use. Nintendo's stance on silencing fans who aren't in a partnership with them is seriously shady and puts a bias on ALL content that's allowed to presented to the public. I have less reason to trust anything any website posts about Nintendo than I do any other gaming company/publisher/developer on the market. You don't earn your fans trust but shutting them out.

Will Switch be a business success? Uncertain, leaning towards NO.

With everything mentioned above you can see why I'm leaning no. However, the major deciding point will be one thing.

Does the public consider the Switch to be the next handheld DS like device?
If yes, switch is a HUGE SUCCESS.
If no, switch is another WiiU with the opportunity to perform marginally better.

Everything that makes the switch a console is working against it. Everything that compares it to wireless gaming devises makes the Switch sound mostly amazing. It all comes down to how the average everyday consumer sees this along with how much they are willing to spend for a mobile gaming device.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

I have a rule with buying console.

No buying until there's 10 games that are worth it. When I bought the Wii, it was a Zelda, Smash Bros and No More Heroes player for about a year sold I sold it.

Another reason I won't be buying a Switch is because its $400 here in Canada. Not worth the price. And unless you're a hardcore Nintendo fan, the console is only $30 less than a PS4 here. With the fact that the peripherals are $100 (combo pack) and the memory is only 32GB (basically requiring an SD card purchase.)

And No VC on launch, so after I beat Zelda what else is there for exclusives? At least with VC I could replay some classic titles.

This console is not worth it for just Zelda until Christmas. What's the next big exclusive that's supposed to come out? Super Mario Odyssey. Are all Nintendo's flagship franchises going the open world sandbox route a decade after that trend became old?

What happens after the Switch's first year with the 3rd party? Does it dry up like the Wii and Wii U? How does Nintendo gain fans without games that are the standard flagship games? I've been playing Mario and Zelda for the last 20 years, they're still great games, but I can't find myself getting excited about them anymore. Maybe if Nintendo made more great Metroids and StarFox I'd pick up their consoles. If Nintendo had interesting 3rd party titles like the Gamecube's Gotcha Force and the awesome RPGs more often, I'd have a Wii U and Wii.

Every Nintendo home console barring the Wii has sold less than its predecessor. If that continues with the Switch, that'll be a major issue.

I think the biggest knock against the Switch is honestly the hybrid console concept. I don't think people people are warm to the handheld idea with the lack of games on it. If there's no Pokemon or Monster Hunter, what portable gamers are going to pick it up?

 

[Lufia Erim]

Show me the games, and the, and ONLY THEN, will i consider buying the console.

 

[Guffe]

What do you guys think? Hopeful? Want one? Don't care?

Let me know.

Alright!

I am getting one. That's a given.

Games I am interested in which have been announced or partially teased/namedropped:
Zelda, MarioKart, Splat00n2, Skyrim, FireEmblem, ShinMegamiTensei, Xenoblade, Tales of ---, SnipperClips, ShovelKnight, Fast X something

Games I might be getting depending a little:
Mario Odyssey, Arms, Bomberman, FIFA, DragonQuestHeroes, most likely some Indie platformers found in the Eshop

Games I am hoping for:
Metroid, Smash is most likely coming at some point, Pokemon but make it BIG (I am talking Zelda BotW makeover for the franchise), MonsterHunter, (J)RPGs of high calibre

I hope the system sells well.
From what reviewers have said, the 720p on the tablet looks really good since the screen is small it still looks FullHD.
Really enjoying the fact that it can be played on a TV when I am home alone but when my girlfriend is at home, then she can watch the telly while I can play games, no stupid arguing. And if I go on longer trips, I can get full titles with me which look good and hopefully still play smooth.
I heard the system can go up to 1080p/60FPS on the TV, and that later titles will be able to utilize it, but the launchtitles have been so long in production that they go 900p/30fps (Zelda), the new racing game I mentioned above is the first one to be full 1080p/60fps according to a Youtube video I saw from some convention.

My biggest fear is the same happens that I had with the WiiU.
I had a lot of games on that console the first 2 years, but after that my gaming has been very slow and very much just older titles from the Eshop. Nintendo has spread its main games to be released across 2017. I would much rather have 4 big, good games I want to buy every second/third month than having it all come out at once and gaming myself to death for one month and then having nothing for the rest of the year. I just hope they keep the same thing going for many years, a steady flow of good AAA titles.

The fact that there is no VirtualConsole or Apps on it from the start won't bother me. I buy the console for the new games. Virtual Console is nice but I have barely used it on the WiiU. The apps like Netflix and such I haven't used on any other platform than from the TV itself. I never used the internet browser on the WiiU or the SmartTV when I have a laptop and the second best alternative is my phone.

I guess those are my thoughts on it at the moment... at 3 o clock in the night on my coffeebreak at work

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I'm just not into handheld gaming, and I don't think it's powerful enough to work as a proper home console. Maybe it turns out to be good at what it does, but what it does doesn't appeal to me.

 

[Yoshi178]

It's all about the games for me, and the Switch has absolutely nothing to offer me, certainly not for the first year. I could stomach all the gimmicky bullshit if meant we'd get some fresh new IPs, or any other IPs that aren't Zelda, Mario, Mario Cart, or Smash, but it doesn't look like that's in the cards.

Splatoon and Xenoblade aren't new enough IP's for you?

 

[totheendofsin]

It's all about the games for me, and the Switch has absolutely nothing to offer me, certainly not for the first year. I could stomach all the gimmicky bullshit if meant we'd get some fresh new IPs, or any other IPs that aren't Zelda, Mario, Mario Cart, or Smash, but it doesn't look like that's in the cards.

Splatoon and Xenoblade aren't new enough IP's for you?

Well if you want to get technical neither are new IP anymore, this is the 2nd Splatoon game, and arguable the 3rd Xenoblade game

Arms and 1-2 switch are the new IP nintendo has in the works, maybe Snipperclips (I'm unsure if that's nintendo or an indie dev)

 

[Yoshi178]

It's all about the games for me, and the Switch has absolutely nothing to offer me, certainly not for the first year. I could stomach all the gimmicky bullshit if meant we'd get some fresh new IPs, or any other IPs that aren't Zelda, Mario, Mario Cart, or Smash, but it doesn't look like that's in the cards.

Splatoon and Xenoblade aren't new enough IP's for you?

Well if you want to get technical neither are new IP anymore, this is the 2nd Splatoon game, and arguable the 3rd Xenoblade game

Arms and 1-2 switch are the new IP nintendo has in the works, maybe Snipperclips (I'm unsure if that's nintendo or an indie dev)

pretty much every single developer out there survives off of sequels. Uncharted 4, Last of Us 2, Halo 5, Gears of War 4, GTA V, Final Fantasy XV. etc.


it's pretty much impossible to have 100% of their lineup be entirely original IP's. Nintendo has had quite a few new original IP's in the past decade though. Xenoblade, Splatoon, Codename S.T.E.A.M., Endless Ocean, Pushmo, Snipperclips, etc. there is obviously always going to be sequels for their popular franchise's but it's not like the company never puts out new IP's at all.


EDIT: yeah and Arms and 1, 2 Switch of course like you also mentioned. and yes Snipperclips is a Nintendo developed eshop title.

 

[Longview]

It's all about the games for me, and the Switch has absolutely nothing to offer me, certainly not for the first year. I could stomach all the gimmicky bullshit if meant we'd get some fresh new IPs, or any other IPs that aren't Zelda, Mario, Mario Cart, or Smash, but it doesn't look like that's in the cards.

Splatoon and Xenoblade aren't new enough IP's for you?

Its all about Bomberman Yoshi, I don't care how old it is, looks like great fun

 

[Jerast]

Eh I only ever really buy a Nintendo for the Zelda/Mario/Metroid stuff etc so I don't really buy them unless those games look really good. Might buy the switch cause the new Zelda looks really good and I never bought a Wii-U so I'd have to buy a switch for it.

Other than that not super excited. Hate the gimmick, not excited about the other exclusives and hate the lack of power the system has.

Will still probably get it for the Zelda cause to me it looks "that" good so far.

 

[RaikuFA]

It's all about the games for me, and the Switch has absolutely nothing to offer me, certainly not for the first year. I could stomach all the gimmicky bullshit if meant we'd get some fresh new IPs, or any other IPs that aren't Zelda, Mario, Mario Cart, or Smash, but it doesn't look like that's in the cards.

Splatoon and Xenoblade aren't new enough IP's for you?

Its all about Bomberman Yoshi, I don't care how old it is, looks like great fun

Plus Bomberman needs a comeback.

 

[Yoshi178]

It's all about the games for me, and the Switch has absolutely nothing to offer me, certainly not for the first year. I could stomach all the gimmicky bullshit if meant we'd get some fresh new IPs, or any other IPs that aren't Zelda, Mario, Mario Cart, or Smash, but it doesn't look like that's in the cards.

Splatoon and Xenoblade aren't new enough IP's for you?

Its all about Bomberman Yoshi, I don't care how old it is, looks like great fun

come join the easyallies forums Longview. all the old GT crew are there. even me and El shmiablo haven't fought over there like we used to........yet.

 

[sneakypenguin]

Well the reviews are rolling in and suprising no one the general consensus seems to be bad console good handheld. Accessories out the ass, cheap dock, performance issues in botw and a few nonsensical design and software choices. Seems like most use it as a handheld and I think thats what N needs to focus on if its gonna be a hit.

 

[Casual Shinji]

It's all about the games for me, and the Switch has absolutely nothing to offer me, certainly not for the first year. I could stomach all the gimmicky bullshit if meant we'd get some fresh new IPs, or any other IPs that aren't Zelda, Mario, Mario Cart, or Smash, but it doesn't look like that's in the cards.

Splatoon and Xenoblade aren't new enough IP's for you?

Splatoon, yes. Good new IP. It's got a distinct and memorable artstyle, and it fills a niche in the Nintendo library that was previously unattended. Unfortunately it's a multiplayer only shooter, which to me is the equivalent to spending money to play tag.

Xenoblade... yeah sorry, nothing about that franchise ever grabbed me.

 

[Hades]

It's all about the games for me, and the Switch has absolutely nothing to offer me, certainly not for the first year. I could stomach all the gimmicky bullshit if meant we'd get some fresh new IPs, or any other IPs that aren't Zelda, Mario, Mario Cart, or Smash, but it doesn't look like that's in the cards.

Splatoon and Xenoblade aren't new enough IP's for you?

Splatoon, yes. Good new IP. It's got a distinct and memorable artstyle, and it fills a niche in the Nintendo library that was previously unattended. Unfortunately it's a multiplayer only shooter, which to me is the equivalent to spending money to play tag.

Xenoblade... yeah sorry, nothing about that franchise ever grabbed me.

Actually Splatoon has a single player campaign.

I will probably get the Switch at one point. Its going to have the usual Nintendo gems and there's no way I'm letting a Fire emblem Warriors pass. I'm just not in a rush to get one. So far the only game that's worth anything is also available on the Wii-U.

I think the Switch is going to do better than the Wii-U, there's already a lot more hype for it but I don't think the Switch will be as much of a success as Nintendo needs it to be either. I think that with the lack of third party support and Nintendo not being able to keep up with the power armsrace that Nintendo console's are destined to stay at a third place before eventually pulling a SEGA.

But its worth noting that Nintendo once did a powerful console with no gimmick and great exclusives. The Gamecube just wasn't particularly rewarded for it.

 

[Yoshi178]

It's all about the games for me, and the Switch has absolutely nothing to offer me, certainly not for the first year. I could stomach all the gimmicky bullshit if meant we'd get some fresh new IPs, or any other IPs that aren't Zelda, Mario, Mario Cart, or Smash, but it doesn't look like that's in the cards.

Splatoon and Xenoblade aren't new enough IP's for you?

Splatoon, yes. Good new IP. It's got a distinct and memorable artstyle, and it fills a niche in the Nintendo library that was previously unattended. Unfortunately it's a multiplayer only shooter, which to me is the equivalent to spending money to play tag.

Xenoblade... yeah sorry, nothing about that franchise ever grabbed me.

Xenoblade X was good but it had a pretty meh story and it's gameplay structure got a bit boring once you got your Skell but despite those things, it was still a decent enough game. it's easy to see why people might not have enjoyed XCX though.


personally i love the original Xenoblade Chronicles for Wii though. the original Xenoblade is one of my favourite games of all time. it takes about 80 or so hours to complete the story, and given the game takes that long, it's not the type of game that graba you right away. i found that it's when you get to Makna forest that story starts to really pick up. also long live Heropon Riki! love that little guy.


Also as the previous poster mentioned, Actually the Splatoon does have a single player campaign as well as online multiplayer and Splatoon 2 looks like it's going to have one as well.

 

[totheendofsin]

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I mean lets be reasonable, Splatoon's single player was very clearly tacked on as an afterthought

hopefully Splatoon 2 will have a better single player campaign

 

[Yoshi178]

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I mean lets be reasonable, Splatoon's single player was very clearly tacked on as an afterthought

hopefully Splatoon 2 will have a better single player campaign

i haven't done this because i'd just rather spend my time playing the online multiplayer but people have said that apparently the lore behind Splatoons story campaign actually gets really deep if you bother to collect all of those Sunken Scrolls that are hidden in each level.


like i said i haven't collected all the Sunken Scrolls myself that's just what i've heard.

 

[Rangaman]

I was on the fence, but the only thing I really want is Breath of the Wild. I already have a Wii U and since it turns out that the Wii U version doesn't contain the ugly brown filter that got plastered over the E3 Demo, there's now no reason for me to go out and buy the thing.

Besides that I bought the Wii U at launch, and I've sworn never to make the same mistake again.

Wake me up when they announce a new Metroid, preferably a 2D Metroid from Retro Studios. Then I'll start thinking about dropping some money on the thing.