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axia777

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The school is dumb for the zero tolerance rules(which don't work for shit in reality) and the student is dumb for breaking said rule when he knew of it's existence.
 

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fluffybacon said:
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If he was breaking a rule, then he deserves the punishment for breaking that rule.
I have to agree with this, zero tolerance, is zero tolerance. It's hardly fair to allow him to have a knife, even though he's a eagle scout. If he can have one on the premises it shows favourtism, where there's favouritism there's room for argument from other school goers, even, hell especially the less savory ones.

Although adding the extra 15 days to his suspension seems a little steep, I do hope the school explains this to West Point with his application, as he deserves it, he's saved a life?! That's a small group of people (when doctors and medics aren't included).
 

THEMILKMAN

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If he's old enough to drive then why the hell is he in the Boy Scouts? Why would anyone want to be in the Boy Scouts? I was in it for like 2 months when I was little. I stuck around for the Pinewood Derby, kicked everyone's asses and got the hell out of there.
 
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NeutralDrow said:
AOTA said:
i saw this on the news and had to share it.

Some Eagle scout, which is the highest rank you can achieve in Boy Scouts, was suspended from his high school for 20 days because he has a 2-inch pocket knife in his car.

Said pocket knife was part of a emergency survival kit that he had in his car, along with blankets, a pillow, an MRE (Meal Ready to Eat), and toiletries. Both his principle and the police officer that came out with him to his car said that he was not breaking any laws, and yet he was still suspended!

I personally think that this political correctness crap has gone way to far.
what do you all think?

link to original story:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,565520,00.html?test=latestnews
Two things.

1. That's not political correctness. That's "Zero Tolerance" (and it's questionable, yes). Political Correctness would have been if they let him keep his knife due to religious beliefs.

2. You linked Fox News. I've seen enough of them by this point to completely eliminate them as any sort of credible source, especially with a concept like "political correctness," which is shorthand for "it's the liberals' fault."
Fox News is no more or less biased than any other news network. Their opinion shows and news reports are different things entirely. Yes, they have more conservative opinion shows, but their news is just as fine, (and yes biased, seeing as everything else is biased as well) as any other.

And, speaking as a television student in my high school, the quality of their fieldwork is probably better than most other news networks. Their love of sensational news aside, they have a skilled technical department. CNN's colors and graphics don't appeal to me personally for some odd reason, so my own wierd arbitrary preferences aside, I see nothing wrong with Fox News or any other source.

OT: They should have used common sense, but, if they made an execption for something intelligent, then stupid people would find the loophole, do something dumb, and cause a lawsuit. And the purpose of 90% of school rules is to avoid lawsuits.
 

CrysisMcGee

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Good god. IN HIS CAR? forget the fact that my school district allows up to 4 inch blades to be carried ON YOUR PERSON in school. At least, that's how it was in 2004. In Northern Indiana, US.

And you know what? I had a six inch blade that fell out of my pocket. Right in front of the principal. He said it wasn't allowed, and confiscated it. I didn't get in trouble, but I lost the knife.

Also, searching your car is illegal. It is considered private property, and without probable cause they acn not search it. However, he admitted to it in advance, so it was allowed.

This no tolerance thing is bullshit, and the only people that it makes feel safe is the adults. You know what a fork is right? Does a good job at stabbing your throat or taking out an eye.

Also, your 14 tiems more likely to get struck by lightning than to get shot in school. Not sure about stabbings.

Oh yeah, and we're zero tolerance as well. For Drugs. You know, something that is actually illegal.

New York must be different.
 

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Since he had it in his car and wouldn't have brought it out if the people hadn't told him to plus a legit reason, I'd let it slide if I was in charge myself.
 

Canadamus Prime

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What I want to know is how the topic of him owning a knife even came up! And yeah, I can understand the need for a zero tolerance policy, but this is ridiculous. He had the knife in his car! He's not going to do any harm with it while it's in his CAR. Plus he's an Eagle Scout, if I'm not mistaken, the scouts are usually not ones to cause trouble. Geeze.

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Rigs83 said:
There is nothing common about common sense in America.
Sadly enough, and as hard as it is for me to admit, but that doesn't just apply to America.
 

Woem

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From the article:
But Lansingburgh High has a zero-tolerance policy, and when school officials discovered that Whalen kept his knife locked in his car, he says, they suspended him for five days.
My question is: how did the school officials discover he had a knife inside an emergency survival kit in his car? It's not like he was waving it around or leaving it on the backseat. The knife was inside a survival kit...
 

CrysisMcGee

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Whose the bastard who ratted him out?

I used to keep a pocket knife in my back-pack at school. Loads of people knew it, but they also knew that if any of them told the teachers they would regret it. No one likes a snitch.
Some people just don't like poeple that are doing better than they are. The student probably overheard, or was told about the knife, and he decided to be a prick. Even worse, it may have been somebody from his own troop.

Was he gonna stab somebody? Gee, I think that may screw up his future, and he seems like someone that plans ahead.

Zero tolerance needs to be reprimanded. Because all it takes is one person to ruin it for the rest of us.
 

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sms_117b said:
fluffybacon said:
[sub]Disclaimer: This post is more than it appears, think and you might see the hidden message and undertone! [/sub]

If he was breaking a rule, then he deserves the punishment for breaking that rule.
I have to agree with this, zero tolerance, is zero tolerance. It's hardly fair to allow him to have a knife, even though he's a eagle scout. If he can have one on the premises it shows favourtism, where there's favouritism there's room for argument from other school goers, even, hell especially the less savory ones.

Although adding the extra 15 days to his suspension seems a little steep, I do hope the school explains this to West Point with his application, as he deserves it, he's saved a life?! That's a small group of people (when doctors and medics aren't included).
Well you have to remember that the Law does this all the time, and shows favoritism. To be Honest, It is NOT easy to become an eagle scout, and anyone that is one should be allowed breathing room, since it was in his car.
 

Sacman

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Me and my friend got jumped when we were starting to walk home(we were stilltechnically on school property) after school from club activities we both get are faces kicked in and our backpacks stolen and my friend gets suspended for 5 days because he fought back and I got suspended for 2 days for being "involved" in the fight. they never look for the guys that jumped us we never got our stuff back and we were forced to buy new books and pay for destruction of property because I fell on a sprinkler head when I got punched in the face. it was caught on video and posted on youtube for a while by the assholes that took my stuff...
 

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Akai Shizuku said:
This is retarded. It's part of his survival pack. And he left it in his car. He didn't carry it on him, he didn't bring it into the school, it's just in his survival pack.
True. But the school parking lot is school property. So therein, he brought a deadly weapon onto school property. His morals might've been with good intent, but those are the rules. They're pretty stupid given the circumstance and I think he should've just recieved a warning (given he didn't want to stab anyone), but those are the rules. And that's life. Which no one ever said was gonna be fair. But a more fair punishment (which still should happen - since he knew the rules regardless of his intent) should be issued. Simply a warning would've done.
 

irishdelinquent

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Personally, when a cop says that the student can't be arrested for anything, then there is no case for possession of a deadly weapon on school grounds. It was in his car, and therefore was not within easy access. While it may be a violation of the school's law, this is a case where common sense should prevail. What's next? A girl gets suspended because she has those long pins in her hair?
 

Silva

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I believe that a school should never have authority over what someone does privately. That's for the law and the law alone.

If the knife never left his car or entered school property, it is a private matter. Therefore, they should not punish him.