Lies they teach you in HIstory class
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Except it's not. The ultimate forms of Anarchy and Communism are stateless, classless societies. The main differences are that Communism has actually had countries try to implement it (and get extremely diverted), and I think Anarchic philosophy deals more with government than class systems.Warwolt said:
I was tought in school that the Great Irish Famine, in the middle of the 19th century, which wiped more than half the population of Ireland, was basically Britian's fault.
Cause people hate america. Yeah Russia was huge, but look at it this way without the allied forces(read massive american numbers of men and machinery) Europe would of been a russian state even more. I'm sure if stalin was pushing the germans out of france and surrounding countries he prolly would have stayed like in east germany. Without the allies strategic bombing throughout 1943-44 and germany's airforces would have been much more fleshed out. Yeah Americans didn't "win" the war but we did make the end result a hell of a lot better.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
But when you have states such as the USSR china plus some in east europe that declared themselves communist it's easy to see why people existed.Machines Are Us said:
So the name "communism" has changed in meaning (not technically of course) but in what people understand it as. It's just association I say catholic you think pope/priest etc. I say southerner you think redneck (probably). Even though both of those aren't "true".So it's not brainwashing of an intentional sort it's just what people associate communism with.
Honestly there's quite a bit of these "lies" that are really just differing opinions and not facts. Also I find it odd that everyone thinks Texas is so backwards when I wasn't told any of these outrageous things. Seriously who would teach that Stalin was better than Hitler?
I'm pretty sure it was more like 20-30 or so that were killed, but I'll look it up. Hang on a sec.....Yeah, only about 24 confirmed deaths, though there are some others who may have been imprisoned and then died from the poor conditions, but the estimate on that is maybe a dozen.PumpActionJesus said:
Also, I realize that the Puritans who landed at Plymouth and such were fleeing from the Netherlands only because they'd already run there from England to escape the generally poor reputation they'd garnered for themselves by calling officials of the church of England a bunch of Pope-loving douches.
Who cares what they teach you in history class?
It's not that you will remember and still give a crap about it in 5 years...
It's not that you will remember and still give a crap about it in 5 years...
Yes, Jefferson's statement was in regard to incorporating the first amendment to the states.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
However, most people understand the concept of "separation of church and state" as the actual principle of government not establishing or controlling religion.
I was addressing the idea that people quote "separation of church and state" to justify removing the ten commandments from courthouses, removing prayer from government meetings, taking "under God" out of the pledge, or "In God we Trust" off of money.
The first amendment just says that Congress cannot establish a national religion. Jefferson's statement was about incorporating it to the states as well. The supreme court has since held it to the Judicial and Excutive branches of the Federal government, and also to the States in the early 1900's. Regardless of to whom it is held, it does not say "no God in government", it says "Government will not establish or control a church".
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Ugh, everyone in this thread seems to not realize that the political spectrum is non-linear; the terms "left" and "right" are only one dimension of this concept. Imagine for a moment a Cartesian grid where the -x axis represents left-wing policy and the +x represents right-wing policy. On this grid, the +y axis would represent strong centralized government while the -y axis would represent no centralized government.
On both ends of the political spectrum (left and right), there are philosophies that advocate both strong centralized government and no central government. For example, on the extreme left both Communism and Anarchism advocate philosophies whereby people rule themselves. On the extreme right, you have philosophies such as Objectivism and Libertarianism which also similarly advocate for a decentralized or non-existent government, but do so with the intent of turning the world into one where only the fittest and most intelligent survive. They differ solely in their ideals of what they posit would happen in the absence of government; generally, left-wingers believe that everyone will hold hands and cooperate to make society as a whole better while right-wingers believe that everyone will tear each others' throats out whilst raping each others' daughters.
By contrast, both the left and right have ideologies advocating strong centralized government. On the extreme left you have Fascism, which is about as centralized a government as one can get. A less extreme left ideology would be Socialism which does not have the hallmark authoritarian control of Fascism but does place a lot of power in the central governing body. On the right, there are two forms of governance which are functionally identical to Fascism and Socialism. For Socialism, there is the hard paternalist state/police state (the latter being the more pejorative term) which resembles Socialism to a T minus the happy, fuzzy idealism. For Fascism, you have a monarchy/religious state which is again, functionally similar to Fascism except they force women to stay in the kitchen and make sandwiches.
On both ends of the political spectrum (left and right), there are philosophies that advocate both strong centralized government and no central government. For example, on the extreme left both Communism and Anarchism advocate philosophies whereby people rule themselves. On the extreme right, you have philosophies such as Objectivism and Libertarianism which also similarly advocate for a decentralized or non-existent government, but do so with the intent of turning the world into one where only the fittest and most intelligent survive. They differ solely in their ideals of what they posit would happen in the absence of government; generally, left-wingers believe that everyone will hold hands and cooperate to make society as a whole better while right-wingers believe that everyone will tear each others' throats out whilst raping each others' daughters.
By contrast, both the left and right have ideologies advocating strong centralized government. On the extreme left you have Fascism, which is about as centralized a government as one can get. A less extreme left ideology would be Socialism which does not have the hallmark authoritarian control of Fascism but does place a lot of power in the central governing body. On the right, there are two forms of governance which are functionally identical to Fascism and Socialism. For Socialism, there is the hard paternalist state/police state (the latter being the more pejorative term) which resembles Socialism to a T minus the happy, fuzzy idealism. For Fascism, you have a monarchy/religious state which is again, functionally similar to Fascism except they force women to stay in the kitchen and make sandwiches.
My History teacher told my class that the Black Plague killed over half of the world's population.
I called him out right in front of every one!! He was so pissed that he tried to suspend me for speaking out and defying his rule. The principal was in my favor.
I called him out right in front of every one!! He was so pissed that he tried to suspend me for speaking out and defying his rule. The principal was in my favor.
True, but overall he did kill more of every type of person than Hitler could of ever done. But yes due to the fact that they were just being killed for killing peoples sake, the Jews do not have as bad of an impression of him.lostclause said:
P.S. also people forget that he intentionally starved his population killing millions...That doesn't get covered in most history classes.
