Lies they teach you in HIstory class

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lostclause

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PatientGrasshopper said:
The opposite of Communism is Anarchy, the political spectrum is not exactly linear. Also, why were the Nazis the National "Socialist" Party.
How would you define better?
Anarchy is much more similar to communism than facism. Communism is the equality of wealth and status. Anarchy is the equality of status. Facism is neither at heart. The nazi were against communism. Hitler invaded the soviet union (although that has something to do with oil too but it was outlined in mein kampf) and before that hunted down communists. They were not socialists (and to everyone who says communism and socialism is different I know but since one is a version of the other I use them interchangeably).
 

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I think I was taught that Hiroshima was a military base and not a civilian city.
That is a half-truth while Hiroshima was a military base it was a military base surrounded by a civilian city. They did this because they thought USA did not have the balls to bomb civilian areas. I think that both sides were wrong because Japan should have not used civilians as shield against bombing raids and USA should not bomb civilian areas. Truly a hard decision however.
 

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Henry The VIII didn't really have 6 wives. He had 1. Or 3 . Henry's 4th marriage to Anne of Cleves was annulled. Annulment is different to divorce. Allulment means that legally the marriage never happend. Anne was already betrothed to another man and at that time this was a legal bar to marrying another.

The Pope declared Henry's 2nd marriage illegal as he was still married to his 1st wife at the time. In response Henry claimed his first marriage was illegal as he couldn't marry his brothers widdow according to the bible. Depending on whether you believe the Pope or the king (also Head Of The Church Of England) thats down to 4 or 3 marriages depending on who you believe.

Henry annulled his marriage to Anne Boleyn and then charged with adultery. Which makes little sense. If they where never married who could she cause the offence?

He did the same with his 5th wife, Catherine Howard. Henry also passed an act that made it treason to commit adultery against the king after having the marriage annulled.
 

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"Umm, Lie one is wrong. They are left and right wing, they're just opposite in names and methods."

Not accurate. Fascism openly opposes both conservative and liberal views, often selling itself as "the third alternative". If I were to attribute it to be left or right, I would have to go left, as it has at it's core a belief that government should control all industry and unions as well as govern all other aspects of economy (Mussolini referred to this as his "corporate state"), it's major difference between itself and the American Left is that it believes in a strong military (often attributed to American Right) to ensure the survival of the fittest in a dog eat dog world. It is also abundant in social policies that tend to conflict with traditional religions (supporting abortion, euthanasia, etc) and thus tend to view religion as a problem within the state (a traid attributed to the American Left).

I realize that I have used "American" to preface my statements of left and right a lot. This is because I, being an American citizen and NOT a citizen of another country, dont feel myself to be an adequate spokesman for the "left" and "right" of other countries.
Though educated, I conceed my knowledge is imperfect.

I have one lie to add to the list, though it is just as much biology as history.

Birds did not evolve from Therapod Dinosaurs (such as raptors or compsognathus). The theory was based purely off speculation based off generic, external appearances. Internal evidence such as hip structure (and therefore how breathing occurs since the pelvic boot in the saurian hip is thier answer to the diaphram a birds vastly complex breathing system is a modification of) and even the chronological evidence (earliest birds predate dinosaurs) are big red flags in that theory. *sniff* I could never enjoy Jurasic Park as a kid because I spent most of the movie picking up the pieces of my exploding brain...well OK, it was still awesome...but it hurt my brain.
 

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lostclause said:
PatientGrasshopper said:
Greyfox105 said:
Here's another.
World War one didn't end until 1919.
which also throws out the 'fact' that 1919 was supposed to be the only year when there wasn't a war :|
Yea, I think I remember something about that. Also,in the US we claim that WWII started in 1941 when Europe puts the date at 1939,while Hitler gained power even before that.
Have you been to a history class? 41 was when the US joined the war, not when it started. It started in 39 when Britain declared war on Germany after they invaded Poland. Hitler gaining power was not the beginning of WW2, he was elected long before (31 but I could easily be wrong about that)
Srkkl said:
PatientGrasshopper said:
Also,in the US we claim that WWII started in 1941 when Europe puts the date at 1939,while Hitler gained power even before that.
I'm pretty sure you heard it wrong. Maybe wherever you got that it said that the U.S. got involved in WWII 1941.
Alright let me clarify. I did eventually learn about 1939 being the official start of the war but when I a younger I as awlays taught that Pearl Harbor started the war. Also a lot of times when it lists the war it says 1941-1945 rather than 1939-1945, it also seems to be a misconception among a number of people.
 

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Anarchy is also about the privatization of EVERYTHING including law enforcement and such, as so is about as far from socialism as possible
 

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Christopher Columbus didn't fucking discover North America. He thought he was in the Indies south of Asia. The first people from Europe to discover North America were the Vikings.
 

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lostclause said:
Umm, Lie one is wrong. They are left and right wing, they're just opposite in names and methods. Just because they have a couple of similarities doesn't mean they're not opposites (for example they're both governments!)
Lie two is also wrong. Europe was under soviet yoke for longer than just stalin, and even so 'better' is not something that can be measured in body counts. Also you're forgetting perspective, it was better for say Jews bacuase just about anything was better than the nazi's.
I was never taught 3 or 4 so I'll keep quiet on them.
He's right about the Stalin one. Up to 60 million people were killed by him.
 

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lostclause said:
PatientGrasshopper said:
Greyfox105 said:
Here's another.
World War one didn't end until 1919.
which also throws out the 'fact' that 1919 was supposed to be the only year when there wasn't a war :|
Yea, I think I remember something about that. Also,in the US we claim that WWII started in 1941 when Europe puts the date at 1939,while Hitler gained power even before that.
Have you been to a history class? 41 was when the US joined the war, not when it started. It started in 39 when Britain declared war on Germany after they invaded Poland. Hitler gaining power was not the beginning of WW2, he was elected long before (31 but I could easily be wrong about that)
I actually heard the reverse, I thought that Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and then declared war on Britain.
 

PatientGrasshopper

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NeutralDrow said:
PatientGrasshopper said:
lostclause said:
Umm, Lie one is wrong. They are left and right wing, they're just opposite in names and methods. Just because they have a couple of similarities doesn't mean they're not opposites (for example they're both governments!)
Lie two is also wrong. Europe was under soviet yoke for longer than just stalin, and even so 'better' is not something that can be measured in body counts. Also you're forgetting perspective, it was better for say Jews bacuase just about anything was better than the nazi's.
I was never taught 3 or 4 so I'll keep quiet on them.
The opposite of Communism is Anarchy, the political spectrum is not exactly linear.
Communism and Anarchy are almost the same thing...
lostclause said:
PatientGrasshopper said:
The opposite of Communism is Anarchy, the political spectrum is not exactly linear. Also, why were the Nazis the National "Socialist" Party.
How would you define better?
Anarchy is much more similar to communism than facism. Communism is the equality of wealth and status. Anarchy is the equality of status. Facism is neither at heart. The nazi were against communism. Hitler invaded the soviet union (although that has something to do with oil too but it was outlined in mein kampf) and before that hunted down communists. They were not socialists (and to everyone who says communism and socialism is different I know but since one is a version of the other I use them interchangeably).
How is Anarchy like Communism? First of all I acknowledge that there has never been a successfully implemented form of true Communism because it doesn't work. Anarchy is not everyone sharing everything as in Communism, there is still ownership. Also, Anarchy is the lack of government as opposed to Communism or Socialism which has a large Government.
HandsomeJack said:
"Umm, Lie one is wrong. They are left and right wing, they're just opposite in names and methods."

Not accurate. Fascism openly opposes both conservative and liberal views, often selling itself as "the third alternative". If I were to attribute it to be left or right, I would have to go left, as it has at it's core a belief that government should control all industry and unions as well as govern all other aspects of economy (Mussolini referred to this as his "corporate state"), it's major difference between itself and the American Left is that it believes in a strong military (often attributed to American Right) to ensure the survival of the fittest in a dog eat dog world. It is also abundant in social policies that tend to conflict with traditional religions (supporting abortion, euthanasia, etc) and thus tend to view religion as a problem within the state (a traid attributed to the American Left).

I realize that I have used "American" to preface my statements of left and right a lot. This is because I, being an American citizen and NOT a citizen of another country, dont feel myself to be an adequate spokesman for the "left" and "right" of other countries.
Though educated, I conceed my knowledge is imperfect.

I have one lie to add to the list, though it is just as much biology as history.

Birds did not evolve from Therapod Dinosaurs (such as raptors or compsognathus). The theory was based purely off speculation based off generic, external appearances. Internal evidence such as hip structure (and therefore how breathing occurs since the pelvic boot in the saurian hip is thier answer to the diaphram a birds vastly complex breathing system is a modification of) and even the chronological evidence (earliest birds predate dinosaurs) are big red flags in that theory. *sniff* I could never enjoy Jurasic Park as a kid because I spent most of the movie picking up the pieces of my exploding brain...well OK, it was still awesome...but it hurt my brain.
Exactly the point I was trying to make, and as far as the Birds Evolving into Dinosaurs thing is concerned, I could give a ton of examples to things like that where the Scientific community either falsified data or made assumptions that were wrong.
 

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People believed that the world was flat. No they didn't, even in the 13th century people accepted it was round, it was only Christopher Columbus.....the twit. Thank you QI!
 

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PatientGrasshopper said:
I am trying to compile a list of lies or misinformation they teach you in History class. So far this doesn't even apply to current events which would make this list far more interesting. Do you have any you think you want to add or any rebuttals. Also note for those in other countries, this is written from an American perspective.
Lie #1
Communism and Fascism are opposites. The truth is they are both totalitarian governments run by dictators who oppose individuality. In fact the Nazis were the National Socialist German Worker'S Party.
Lie #2
Europe was better under Stalin than Hitler. The fact is Stalin was responsible for more deaths in Europe than Hitler was.
Lie #3
Inflation is a natural process of the Economy. The truth is inflation can be avoided or at the very least minimized if the Government didn't continue to over mint money and if we actually had money that was backed by something.
Lie #4
The civil war was fought primarily over slavery. The fact is, although slavery was on issue,the main one was state's rights vs. Federal power. If the main focus was slavery than states like Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri would have joined the South, they had slaves and were Northern states, and additionally the Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to them.
You say that Communism and Fascism are complete opposites, yet you don't give any reason why. All you do is say the things that were true about both, things that are painfully obvious.

Also, all of these 'lies' are made clear in an AP US History course, which everyone should be forced to take.
 

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We just ragged on Paris Hilton. Also lie #935846248314 Columbus discovered America. Goddamit people, he wasn't even the first medieval european to 'discover' it, Erik the Red and Lief Ericson were leaded expeditions here before Columbus was even born.
 

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Sevre90210 said:
People believed that the world was flat. No they didn't, even in the 13th century people accepted it was round, it was only Christopher Columbus.....the twit. Thank you QI!
It goes back even further. Even in ancient Greece they had already calculated that the Earth wasn't anything resembling flat.

Lie #8:
USA is founded on Christian beliefs and principles, and the signers of the Declaration of Independence were all Christians.
 

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slykiwi said:
Anarchy is also about the privatization of EVERYTHING including law enforcement and such, as so is about as far from socialism as possible
Yes exactly
TaborMallory said:
Christopher Columbus didn't fucking discover North America. He thought he was in the Indies south of Asia. The first people from Europe to discover North America were the Vikings.
Yea this one I learned early on I mean one of the first things you learn in school is that Columbus discovered America, but then I learned about the Vikings.
 

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PatientGrasshopper said:
I am trying to compile a list of lies or misinformation they teach you in History class. So far this doesn't even apply to current events which would make this list far more interesting. Do you have any you think you want to add or any rebuttals. Also note for those in other countries, this is written from an American perspective.
Lie #1
Communism and Fascism are opposites. The truth is they are both totalitarian governments run by dictators who oppose individuality. In fact the Nazis were the National Socialist German Worker'S Party.
Lie #2
Europe was better under Stalin than Hitler. The fact is Stalin was responsible for more deaths in Europe than Hitler was.
Lie #3
Inflation is a natural process of the Economy. The truth is inflation can be avoided or at the very least minimized if the Government didn't continue to over mint money and if we actually had money that was backed by something.
Lie #4
The civil war was fought primarily over slavery. The fact is, although slavery was on issue,the main one was state's rights vs. Federal power. If the main focus was slavery than states like Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri would have joined the South, they had slaves and were Northern states, and additionally the Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to them.
ok idk who teaches you but my teachers never told me any of those