Life in the Universe? To me, no question...

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TheRealCJ

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I'm 100% certain that there is life in the Universe.

I'm conversing with it right now.

Oh, you mean ALIEN life, well, Carpe Diem, I'll tackle the problem of the extra terrestrials when I finish tackling the problem of The Ocean Sunfish



Seriously, what right do YOU have to EXIST, Giant-round-fish-the-size-of-a-fucking-ford-fiesta?!
 

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Undead Warfare said:
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Undead Warfare said:
ON A SECOND THOUGHT. If we ever do find a second race, won't that disprove most Religions? As God, Allah, Vishnu and the omnipotent gang probably have never mentioned another planet full of different species in their religious texts...just a thought, don't rage....
They also don't mention dinosaurs, yet that hasn't stopped religion. Religion will always adjust to accommodate scientific fact. People will ALWAYS believe in a higher power, no matter what.
Yeah that makes sense, but if we make contact and bring a bunch of them over here, or they turn out to be intelligent and make contact with us, won't they have the proof staring them in the eyes? I mean they (Religious folks) can't say we made them and brought them back to Earth. I mean theres only so many lies a person can tell to themselves.
It will shake a lot of people's faith, for sure. Many will see it as sign that God doesn't exist, and people will certainly question the validity of 'literal' interpretations of religious text, etc. But the existence of aliens doesn't disprove the existence of a God, the afterlife, or a higher power.
 

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I think life exists out there, yet I certainly think we won't know about it in our lifetime, which is a real shame. Can you imagine if we found a race more powerful than us humans? God, our race would be so pissed off at being weaker than another one.
 

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BlindMessiah94 said:
Who cares? The odds of extraterrestrial life contacting us or us contacting them in our lifetimes is slimmer than none.

Who knows, maybe the earth is an anomaly in the universe. It's a pretty fucked up place in the cosmic ballet that is the universe.
The odds of us contacting them are slim, the odds of them contacting us are unknowable, seeing as how we don't know where they are or what level of technology they have, or if they even exist.

For all we know, they could make contact tomorrow, there's no odds on something with no known variables.
 

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Of course there is life in the universe. Hell, I'm pretty sure there is life in our galaxy. Our spiral arm? Not sure, less likely, but still plausible.

Billions upon billions of stars, each with planets, some of them within the habitable zone of their star, lots of them old enough to create simple bacterias and even for evolution to create something better.
AcacianLeaves said:
Undead Warfare said:
AcacianLeaves said:
Undead Warfare said:
ON A SECOND THOUGHT. If we ever do find a second race, won't that disprove most Religions? As God, Allah, Vishnu and the omnipotent gang probably have never mentioned another planet full of different species in their religious texts...just a thought, don't rage....
They also don't mention dinosaurs, yet that hasn't stopped religion. Religion will always adjust to accommodate scientific fact. People will ALWAYS believe in a higher power, no matter what.
Yeah that makes sense, but if we make contact and bring a bunch of them over here, or they turn out to be intelligent and make contact with us, won't they have the proof staring them in the eyes? I mean they (Religious folks) can't say we made them and brought them back to Earth. I mean theres only so many lies a person can tell to themselves.
It will shake a lot of people's faith, for sure. Many will see it as sign that God doesn't exist, and people will certainly question the validity of 'literal' interpretations of religious text, etc. But the existence of aliens doesn't disprove the existence of a God, the afterlife, or a higher power.
It doesn't disprove the existence of A god. It would prove our God/s is/aren't real. Why?

"There is only one God."

But if there is a whole new race or more than one race that believe in a higher power, then what, we're all correct? And we all had prophets, all saying that THEIR people are the chosen ones?

Sure there might be a god, or even multiple gods, each for a different planet or solar system... but, yeah, not a chance there is only one God.
 

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urprobablyright said:
I quote Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything

Bill Bryson said:
Still, statistically the probability that there are other thinking beings out there is good. Under Drake's equation you divide the number of stars in a selected portion of the universe by the number of stars that are likely to have planetary systems; divide that by the number of planetary systems that could theoretically support life; divide that by the number on which life, having arisen, advances to a state of intelligence; and so on. At each such division, the number shrinks colossally - yet even with the most conservative inputs the number of advanced civilizations just in the Milky Way always works out to be somewhere in the millions.
Drakes equation is horse shit. There is zero scientific validity to it.

Bottom line, there is absolutely zero evidence of life elsewhere in the universe. If you believe it, it is a belief, not a fact.
 

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cuddly_tomato said:
urprobablyright said:
I quote Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything

Bill Bryson said:
Still, statistically the probability that there are other thinking beings out there is good. Under Drake's equation you divide the number of stars in a selected portion of the universe by the number of stars that are likely to have planetary systems; divide that by the number of planetary systems that could theoretically support life; divide that by the number on which life, having arisen, advances to a state of intelligence; and so on. At each such division, the number shrinks colossally - yet even with the most conservative inputs the number of advanced civilizations just in the Milky Way always works out to be somewhere in the millions.
Drakes equation is horse shit. There is zero scientific validity to it.

Bottom line, there is absolutely zero evidence of life elsewhere in the universe. If you believe it, it is a belief, not a fact.
Im aware none of this is hard fact but it is more than just belief..Its theory based on the evidence we know. Could this be wrong?? Of course it could be. Earth could be the centre of the universe for all we really know but just basing this off what we know (ie other planets, galaxies, stars, solar systems)it seems highly likely.
 

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ThatPurpleGuy said:
cuddly_tomato said:
urprobablyright said:
I quote Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything

Bill Bryson said:
Still, statistically the probability that there are other thinking beings out there is good. Under Drake's equation you divide the number of stars in a selected portion of the universe by the number of stars that are likely to have planetary systems; divide that by the number of planetary systems that could theoretically support life; divide that by the number on which life, having arisen, advances to a state of intelligence; and so on. At each such division, the number shrinks colossally - yet even with the most conservative inputs the number of advanced civilizations just in the Milky Way always works out to be somewhere in the millions.
Drakes equation is horse shit. There is zero scientific validity to it.

Bottom line, there is absolutely zero evidence of life elsewhere in the universe. If you believe it, it is a belief, not a fact.
Im aware none of this is hard fact but it is more than just belief..Its theory based on the evidence we know. Could this be wrong?? Of course it could be. Earth could be the centre of the universe for all we really know but just basing this off what we know (ie other planets, galaxies, stars, solar systems)it seems highly likely.
I know. But what is this evidence of which you speak? "Space is big" isn't evidence. We know it is big, it and from what we have seen so far it is big and empty. Is there any actual evidence it contains anything more than boulders?
 

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Well, I recently read up on a guy's work. He basically said that Earth is the only planet capable of life. His reasoning is basically like this: mathematically, each universe (he has mathematically proven the possibility of other universes outside of our own - completely unconnected to ours existing in a field of limitless energy)has a set of physics. Each universe would have completely different mathematical laws governing it. One universe could be completely devoid of gravity. Another could be completely devoid of mass. Still another may have gravity and mass in such abundance, that they hardly meet our concepts of what gravity and mass are. Essentially, at the creation of this universe, the "mathematical dials" of the basic laws of physics were turned in such a way that it ensured ONLY earth could have life on it. In otherwords, you can mathematically fix the position in each universe and find where life would exist in that universe. In ours, earth is the only possible solution - because there is only one solution to this equation. In others, there may or may not be a solution. This guy said that the possibility of life on another "planet" isn't on a solar system by solar system basis, or even on a galaxy by galaxy basis. It's on a universe by universe basis. Assuming that other universes are created along this field of energy, he calculated that only 1 in every 13 trillion would have life. He also calculated that there could be an exact duplicate of earth and even our timeline in another universe. But that chance was such a big number, I can't remember what it was... but it had a LOT of zeros after it.
I'd like to see this theory, because the last I heard (studying Astrophysics at university a few years ago) there is no way of proving the existence of other universes. There are lots of mathematical and logical theories that, if they are right, prove their existence, but we currently have no way of proving if they are right. Ditto for the laws of physics in other universes, we have no way of knowing or proving if they would be the same or different.

Back OT:
There almost certainly are other civilisations out there somewhere, but I'm afraid the 'conservative' estimates mentioned earlier don't get nearly conservative enough. There are so many factors involved in solar and planetary formation: to have 1 million civilisations in the Milky Way, you need 1 civilisation for every 100,000 - 400,000 stars. Half of those will be in multiple-star systems, so there is 1 civ per 100,000. 76% of those stars are too cold to support habitable planets, and 1% too hot, so now it's 1 civ per 23,000. 10-20% of these stars are estimated to have planets - roughly 1 per 3500.

It is believed that we need both a very large moon around the planet AND a very large gas giant to even allow life to form without being shelled by asteroids every few centuries. I believe the current rate of either of these happening is less than 1%, based on our observations of several hundred extra-solar planetary systems, although this could change with more observation. This puts us at 1/3 of a civ per star, or to put it better, there are roughly at most 300,000 inhabitable planets in the Milky Way, and that's before you consider ecology and biology in the equation (don't worry, I'm not a biologist as well, I'm almost done).

Finally, I will also add that there is about one fifth of the galaxy we cannot see because of the galactic core blocking all signals from it, so any civs there will be almost permanently uncontactable, and that any signals from other galaxies will be so weak when they arrive that we will not be able to detect them above the cosmic background radiation.

TLDR: There are probably fewer than 1000 or even 100 civilisations in the Milky Way, and other galaxies are so far away as to be completely irrelevant.

EDIT: Forgot to put my actual opinion in here: I believe that it is almost certain that life exists somewhere, just not that we are likely to ever encounter it.
 

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Just to through a theoretical spanner in the works. What is we don't exist? We could call into question the human experience into question. Rather than questioning weather life exists anywhere else, question your own existence.

OT: I agree with the above, it is statistically impassable that there isn't other life out there somewhere.
 

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It's basically a mathematical certainty.
Even if life on a Earth is a fluke,with the countless amount star systems in the countless amount of galaxies in visible space, there's bound to be life.

I love thinking about things like this because it makes me try to imagine the vastness of the known universe and how meaningless we are next to it. Fascinating and terrifying at the same time.
 

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We're basically looking at a universe that is so vast it actually breaks the laws of physics as we understand them. Our current rule book to the way of the universe doesn't explain the universe. The idea that it could be that huge and not have any other life in it is simply ridiculous.

Is there life out there? Most definitely
Doubtful we'll ever find it though.
 

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The Fermi Paradox: If there are millions of possible planetary system in the Milky Way, why aren't we swamped with alien broadcasts?
Yeah, it would be cool to find another civilization somewhere in space. For those of you who are interested, check out SETI@Home. Help the advancement of science by donating a bit of processing power to a worldwide grid /shameless promotion

Anyway, life is pretty damn weird, but not that weird. The kind of life that evolved on Earth is based on genetics, reproduction with variances, and survival of the fittest. Even if we assume that all life is like that, there is no guarantee that a dominant species like humanity evolved somewhere, or that such a species has any interest in exploring the cosmos.
(Yeah, being a scientist takes the wonder out of the world...)
 

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The sheer idiotic size of space means two things:

1: There's almost certainly life out there, somewhere.
2: The odds of us ever finding it are pretty much nill.

And frankly, I'd like to keep it that way.
 

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Theres a mathematical solution here.
The probability of something being certain is 1.

Lets say the probability of life existing on any one planet is 1 x 10 to the -1000000 (a minute number anyway, but its probably much smaller than this.)
The universe is infinitely big, and therefore contains an infinite amount of planets, and therefore the amount of planets containing life (other than ourselves) is also infinity.

Multiply 1 x 10 to the -1000000 by infinity, you get 1 = Complete certainty.

There you go, life in the universe other than us is certain.
 

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Exocet said:
It's basically a mathematical certainty.
Even if life on a Earth is a fluke,with the countless amount star systems in the countless amount of galaxies in visible space, there's bound to be life.

I love thinking about things like this because it makes me try to imagine the vastness of the known universe and how meaningless we are next to it. Fascinating and terrifying at the same time.
Yeah though its virtually impossible for our minds to even begin to get our head around these types of distances.

I think of it like this. A light year is the measurement for distance travelled in space. It means the actual distance light would travel in a year equated to km (or miles). This is approximate but light travels at about 300,000km/s. Now calculate how many seconds in a year and times it by this and you have our distance(give or take) to our CLOSEST star besides the sun. Now I heard a saying that there are more stars in the sky than there are grains of sand on earth. If all these stars are all about one light year apart from each yeah you begin to see just how massive it all is.
 

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thethingthatlurks said:
(Yeah, being a scientist takes the wonder out of the world...)
Being a scientist is all about examining the wonders of the world.
If you had no wonder in the world you wouldn't be a scientist.
 

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TomBizz said:
thethingthatlurks said:
(Yeah, being a scientist takes the wonder out of the world...)
Being a scientist is all about examining the wonders of the world.
If you had no wonder in the world you wouldn't be a scientist.
True, but what about sci-fi vs reality? To me that's a great deal of really cool stuff that could never happen. Reality may hold its own secrets that await discovery, but you can't tell me you wouldn't trade understanding something like relativity for faster-than-light travel, right?
 

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thethingthatlurks said:
The Fermi Paradox: If there are millions of possible planetary system in the Milky Way, why aren't we swamped with alien broadcasts?
Yeah, it would be cool to find another civilization somewhere in space. For those of you who are interested, check out SETI@Home. Help the advancement of science by donating a bit of processing power to a worldwide grid /shameless promotion
I don't know if you saw my earlier post before writing that, but I worked out roughly that there are at most 300,000 inhabitable systems in the Milky Way (based on current observed rates of planet formation, large moons, etc), before you work out odds for life forming on habitable planets. There just aren't enough stars in the Milky Way for lots of civilisations (as crazy as that statement sounds).

As for the rest of the galaxy, I don't think there has actually been enough time (based on star lifespans and stellar metal content) for any one civilisation to have covered a noticable part of the sky, and their signals will be so weak as to be lost in the cosmic background radiation.
 

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I agree entirely.

I was told by a physics professor friend that the problem for discovery remains timing. The chance that 2 civilisations on separate planets developing to the level where they could successfully communicate with each other (let alone travel the mind-boggling distances between them) at the same time is very small indeed.

Imagine the civilisations in the galaxy/universe twinkling like christmas lights in the vastness of space-time. Definitely there but very rarely at the same time.
Yeah, this.

The Universe is not only incredibly vast, it's also incredibly chaotic and highly dangerous.

It's far more likely for a civilization to be completely wiped out by a stray asteroid or gamma ray or exploding sun or eaten by a giant space shark before it reaches the technology level required to travel the incomprehensible distances to another civiliation.

We, as a race, have only been in this Universe for what is comparable to to a fart in a human lifespan. It's like two people wandering around in an enormous desert and them sneezing at the same time, and actually hearing each other.

It's just not gonna happen.