Life in the Universe? To me, no question...
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Heh,I still have the photo taken by Hubbles when it focused on a spot above the moon for a couple months.Over 10000 stars and galaxies counted just there,in a tiny portion of the sky.ThatPurpleGuy said:
And no,it's not even virtually impossible to comprehend such numbers,it downright impossible.
That's what's makes it great to try to imagine.It really makes your brain work.
Even though, yes, humanity is intelligent, I still find his belief we were created to be the sole intelligent form of life to be, first of all, very pretentious, and immensely arrogant. The vast majority of humanity is not intelligent (says my own pretentiousness and arrogance), and as they say, "Any sufficiently advanced alien is indistinguishable from a god." [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SufficientlyAdvancedAlien] Religion has no say here.ThatPurpleGuy said:
It could just be that everyone would like a higher purpose. It would also prove the similarities of other sapient life to humans. We could all be wrong/right together! Though there'd more likely probably be some sort of useless war.Abedeus said:
You didn't quote what I thought of his beliefKillerMidget said:
I agree but lets try keep the religious stuff out as much as possible. Ive learnt from my friend its just how he has been brought up so Im not gonna try and change that.
He should really come to his own conclusions. I respect that, not people who have just listened to what all the grown-ups told them when they were younger.ThatPurpleGuy said:You didn't quote what I thought of his beliefKillerMidget said:
Yeah the possiblities are just endless if life can exist in other forms. What if we are looking for bacteria or DNA but other life forms haven't developed in this way? I read a post above where someone said "If there were planets everywhere in the galaxy then why aren't there radio signals everywhere?". Its a fair question, but what if radio is only an "earth" thing? Other life forms could use other forms of communication not possible here but possible there cos there conditions are different.Mozza444 said:
Or it could be like I said in my OP. Is what we have here on Earth like the universal "key" or "combination" to life everywhere. If all factors align as they have aligned for Earth will life develop?? Ahh we will never know.
No probs man Im the same. Im just saying just cos some people are like that doesn't make them bad people. Ive just come to accept that some people just view things in different ways and I went through my years of arguing with them but there is really no point. If there happy, who am I to question?KillerMidget said:He should really come to his own conclusions. I respect that, not people who have just listened to what all the grown-ups told them when they were younger.ThatPurpleGuy said:You didn't quote what I thought of his beliefKillerMidget said:
Considering space is (theoretically at least) infinite, I fail to see how their COULDN'T be any other life out there.
I don't believe in any of the sightings though - sure there's life, but what's the chances of it finding us when we're virtually nothing?
One problem is distance/time for us to find other planets with life on. I mean, there are plenty of stars in the sky that burned out millions of years ago and yet they're only just appearing to us.
Also, just because the conditions we live in are just right FOR US, who's to say that other species can't live without those things (oxygen, water, etc.)?
I don't believe in any of the sightings though - sure there's life, but what's the chances of it finding us when we're virtually nothing?
One problem is distance/time for us to find other planets with life on. I mean, there are plenty of stars in the sky that burned out millions of years ago and yet they're only just appearing to us.
Also, just because the conditions we live in are just right FOR US, who's to say that other species can't live without those things (oxygen, water, etc.)?
If they ever do come to Earth I hope they land in my back yard so's I could show them we're not all bad and maybe get some kind of weapon (or mechanism to make the world better) onto my arm, of course they'd tell me to use it wisely, also I believe there are "aliens" out there, just not these grays everyone believes in, also don't forget about other universes and dimensionsrobert632 said:
The truth is out there!
Sure, it's possible.
From a secular point-of-view; even though the circumstances for life as we know it on Earth are the biggest long shot mathematically speaking; there's a lot of universe out there, and a lot of ways "life" could exist of which we are completely unaware.
From my Christian point-of-view; why not? I mean the Bible doesn't really say that life is exlusive to Earth. If there is other life out there somewhere, it doesn't really null anything the Bible says as everything the Bible does say applies to Earth. Again, there's a lot of universe out there; if God made it all, well, shoot, why not have life somewhere else? Maybe He's got like a "site B" somewhere, and Earth is just the show room.
Either way, if it does: as far as us ever finding it, acknowledging it as life, being able to communicate with it, or travel to it...
Yeah... not anytime soon... if ever...
Sure, it's possible.
From a secular point-of-view; even though the circumstances for life as we know it on Earth are the biggest long shot mathematically speaking; there's a lot of universe out there, and a lot of ways "life" could exist of which we are completely unaware.
From my Christian point-of-view; why not? I mean the Bible doesn't really say that life is exlusive to Earth. If there is other life out there somewhere, it doesn't really null anything the Bible says as everything the Bible does say applies to Earth. Again, there's a lot of universe out there; if God made it all, well, shoot, why not have life somewhere else? Maybe He's got like a "site B" somewhere, and Earth is just the show room.
Either way, if it does: as far as us ever finding it, acknowledging it as life, being able to communicate with it, or travel to it...
Yeah... not anytime soon... if ever...
Yeah, the size scale of the universe is mind-boggling. Hell, the size of the galaxy is fucking mind-boggling.
With so many trillions of stars, it seems ridiculous that there isn't at least 2 planets that can support life. Our existence is proof that life can exist, so it seems likely to me that life does exist.
For me it isn't a question of if, but a question of when. And I'm guessing that we won't make contact in my lifetime, or indeed, the lifetime of humanity.
So kudos to you for the rational approach to faith.
With so many trillions of stars, it seems ridiculous that there isn't at least 2 planets that can support life. Our existence is proof that life can exist, so it seems likely to me that life does exist.
For me it isn't a question of if, but a question of when. And I'm guessing that we won't make contact in my lifetime, or indeed, the lifetime of humanity.
Good answer. It really pisses me off in a lot of conversations about evolution, where Christians claim that they were made by God and therefore evolution isn't valid. Is it impossible to think that maybe God used evolution? The two aren't mutually exclusive.Nuke_em_05 said:
So kudos to you for the rational approach to faith.
Definitely - All it really needs is a rock, with water, a certain distance from a star. How many billions are there out there?!
Now, whether the life is intelligent or not is different.....
Now, whether the life is intelligent or not is different.....
To me it is probability at it's finest.
Roll a six sided die and you have a 1/6 chance of getting a six. Roll it a couple of dozens of times and the chance for a six becomes closer and closer to 1/1. Even if the probability of life is in the billions to one, well how many stars are out there?
As for it looking anything human. I doubt that, even if somehow they are humanoid it would be a probability nightmare for them to be human enough to... well be human like.
Roll a six sided die and you have a 1/6 chance of getting a six. Roll it a couple of dozens of times and the chance for a six becomes closer and closer to 1/1. Even if the probability of life is in the billions to one, well how many stars are out there?
As for it looking anything human. I doubt that, even if somehow they are humanoid it would be a probability nightmare for them to be human enough to... well be human like.
"The ?Bio-Cosmic Equation? in the most simple terms teaches us that for every, say, one thousand planets where microscopic life evolves, one yields plants. For every one thousand planets containing vegetation, one produces animals. For every one thousand planets that contain animals, one produces ?intelligent? beings. For every one thousand planets on which technological civilization occurs, one eventually joins the galactic and universal community. The rest tend to implode and destroy themselves.
Beyond the point where a civilization makes it to galactic existence there are many levels. As one goes up the ladder things get less crowded and at the top it is believed one being or form of existence sits that actually created the universe. Our understanding of time is highly subjective and it is believed this ongoing process of evolution is a precondition for the universe?s very existence. We are merely a very small part of it."
now you have an answer.
Beyond the point where a civilization makes it to galactic existence there are many levels. As one goes up the ladder things get less crowded and at the top it is believed one being or form of existence sits that actually created the universe. Our understanding of time is highly subjective and it is believed this ongoing process of evolution is a precondition for the universe?s very existence. We are merely a very small part of it."
now you have an answer.
One of David Brin's various fictional treatments the Fermi Paradox [http://www.davidbrin.com/lungfish1.htm]