Life sentence alternatives in the UK?
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Forced military service is a grand idea for murderers, and one I've thought of for a while. Prisons don't work, re-educating only works for those who -want- to change.
If you take a life, if you murder you should be punished properly, not let out after 10 years in prison as it so often happens here. Prisons aren't punishment enough either, they need to do unpaid work throughout their jail term and not be given luxuries like television etc - hell, some criminals treat prison as free food and housing.
If you take a life, if you murder you should be punished properly, not let out after 10 years in prison as it so often happens here. Prisons aren't punishment enough either, they need to do unpaid work throughout their jail term and not be given luxuries like television etc - hell, some criminals treat prison as free food and housing.
Compulsory Battle Royales/Gladiatorial Combat. I made this suggestion a few months back around when I first registered to the boards and I'm sticking with it.
"Putting prisoners to work" doesn't reduce the prison population. They're still in prison. It's a nice alternative to the way prisons are currently run, but I'm not seeing how it would reduce prison population on the whole.
"Putting prisoners to work" doesn't reduce the prison population. They're still in prison. It's a nice alternative to the way prisons are currently run, but I'm not seeing how it would reduce prison population on the whole.
i'm not joking at all. Sgt or criminal? Both are people. Neither should have more rights. But i'm not suggesting they put criminals in the army anyway, so that situation doesn't need to happen.Elurindel said:
Give back? GIVE BACK? My country sucks. I'm never giving anything back EVER! We shouldn't even have countries. It encourages divisions, and i think the individual is far more important than your country.
Those chavs are only in the army because they can't get another job. And because they're thick and think they just get to kill pakis. I knew a chav who said "while you're working in school i'll be killing pakis in the army". MORON!
As for the hair: it is a symbol of comformism and stupidity. If i was in the army i would NEVER get my hair cut, no matter what they tell me. That is BS. NOTHING should be mandatory. The army sucks.
This is an interesting topic. The Military these days is a paid job, with travel oppertunities, the ability to learn new skills and the downside of possibly losing your life on the field of duty. Its insulting to those who want to be in the army to think of it as a cheap alternative to imprisonment, even if I do agree that it is a fine idea.
The UK has a very scroungy culture right now. A lot of chavs are happy to take money from the government, have kids and a house but at the same time attack people for simply looking at them. The other day a group of 12 year old kids (they looked it at least, the cigarettes they were smoking possibly stumped their growth) waited until I was about 10 feet away from them before shouting various insults at me. Sadly they are not educated at all. They were using the same insults of getting me to cut my hair/coming to the conclusion I was gay.
This country is going to be a hell of a place to live in 20 years from now if the chav population increases.
The UK has a very scroungy culture right now. A lot of chavs are happy to take money from the government, have kids and a house but at the same time attack people for simply looking at them. The other day a group of 12 year old kids (they looked it at least, the cigarettes they were smoking possibly stumped their growth) waited until I was about 10 feet away from them before shouting various insults at me. Sadly they are not educated at all. They were using the same insults of getting me to cut my hair/coming to the conclusion I was gay.
This country is going to be a hell of a place to live in 20 years from now if the chav population increases.
How would the world function without countries? Seriously? What would be an alternative to not having countries? Countries are necessary to govern people and attempt to distribute resources effectively, I'm sorry but I don't see how Humanity would continue for long without some form of country. Or at least something resembling them.TheDean said:
Also you say if you were in the army you wouldn't get your hair cut. How would you stop them? Complain? Straight out Refuse? Leave? Because for any of those you need to be stronger than the 2 MPs stood next to you! Besides the shaved head means all the recruits start out equal and the same, kind of like the idea of being Born Again. If you keep your hair it's part of who you are and means that you're more likely to rebel against the Drill Sergeant or something.
Anyway /rant over!
Less serious crimes should not come with imprisonment but something else, and for very serious crimes bring back the Death Penalty. There are some people who just shouldn't be here. Then again. I have anger issues. Meh.
see, that's exactly the problem. People in the army should be allowed to keep their identities. I shouldn't have to follow orders of a sergeant. the army isn't democratic enough. Also, i'd let them kill me before cut my hair. But they can't do that-- i guess if i just walk away i can be arrested maybe? that is PATHETIC.Vampiric Puppet said:
As for countries, we don't need them. They encourage divisions, they encourage patriotism and pride, and that's the first step to racism. We do not need countries, we do not need to be governed at all.
I think he's joking. At least I hope he is.
Mind you, the whole shaved head thing is a bit silly...for regulars, that is. These 'Penal Legions' have the following kit:
AK-47 (I'll be damned if I spend government money on getting them anything more expensive) with 2 ammo clips.
Boots and fatigues (non-camoflage)
Various entrenching tools.
A knife.
And explosive collar, or a heavy machine gun squad behind them.
They can be used to dig positions, guard unimportant locations and attack heavily fortified positions. Without preliminary bombardment. Or air support.
The only real downside is that the survivors are going to be some of the most effective killers in the world. And that's not much of a downside.
Mind you, the whole shaved head thing is a bit silly...for regulars, that is. These 'Penal Legions' have the following kit:
AK-47 (I'll be damned if I spend government money on getting them anything more expensive) with 2 ammo clips.
Boots and fatigues (non-camoflage)
Various entrenching tools.
A knife.
And explosive collar, or a heavy machine gun squad behind them.
They can be used to dig positions, guard unimportant locations and attack heavily fortified positions. Without preliminary bombardment. Or air support.
The only real downside is that the survivors are going to be some of the most effective killers in the world. And that's not much of a downside.
That's not execution. That's self-defense. Execution is the lawful murder of someone for a crime. Self-defense is killing or injuring someone so they don't do such to you.Elurindel said:
I'm a black belt, I know these things
See, this is what I have a problem with. Your sense of rationale seems a little loose. Your countries is what keeps cops on the street, ambulances on the road and fire trucks going to put out burning buildings. It runs prisons, schools and a plethora of other buildings, and it creates the laws that do their best to keep you safe.TheDean post=18.75375.866490 said:
You know what? That shit needs you to give something back to keep it running! If people don't chip in, then they can sod off. Any group of people needs every member to contribute to effectively run, or it collapses. You want to go be an individual? Fine, go be an individual. Find a forest, cut some trees down, build a house, and see how long you last.
/rant.
The explosive collars would be an effective diea, if they could be implemented effectively on penal legions. Short circuiting due to wet conditions would be a hard one to counteract, and it would need some form fo triggering in the event that somebody tries to tamper with them unauthorised. Apart from that, I quite agree with Fondant's view of the equipment list they should have. The AK47 is cheap and effective, but won't be missed too sorely if it's lost.
i fuly unserstand what you are saying. But what i'm saying is i don't want to be a patriot. EVER. And i refuse to do anything for my government. If we had anarchist communism- i would doeverthing i could to help my society, but not our horrible govt we have now. No one should have the right to make laws in thr firstplace. Every law should require a majority vote of every person in the country.Elurindel said:
Actually, they should, for the following practical reasons: Buzz cut short hair is easy to look after, It doesn't get lice, it doesn't obscure your field of view, get caught in machinery, get caked in sweat, catch fire and you can't grab someone by their hair if it's too short to grip.TheDean said:
Think about it.
You will give something back to the country whether you like it or not. Eventually you'll have to earn money and pay your taxes, the alternatives are go to prison or emigrate, actually you're only option is go to prison because wherever you go you will have to pay some kind of tax.TheDean said:
Those taxes may go some way to paying back the country that provided: the Hospital you were probably born in, your free education, the vast network of roads and communications you use to travel and stay in contact with your friends, the water you drink, the police force and gaurantees the money in your bank account. Which is something even the banks can't seem to manage these days. Do you honestly think Human beings could be trusted to organise all those things as indivuals?
There is nothing wrong with Patriotism, despite the press' best efforts we have a pretty nice country to live in. the problem is that Patriotism so often gets hijacked by extreme right or left wing psychopaths who think the word means they have exclusive rights to everything good about the place.
Regards the OP. I think that is a spectacularly bad idea. Conscripts rarely make good soldiers and giving your men a choice between their guns or yours won't do much for morale. It'll also add a branch of the British Army, traditionally modelled as one of the best trained armies in the world, that is comprised entirely of scum. Personally I wouldn't want people like that serving, the idea that they might be the people watching my friend's and relative's back is slightly sickening.
Personally I think forced labour should make a return. Their are lots of jobs round here (like cleaners, picking crops, cattle farming etc) that are done by illegal migrant workers, they have to endure slave trade conditions and unscrupulous, often brutal gang masters.
Giving these jobs to prisoners would be a triple whammy. It gives the prisoners something constructive to do, removes the market for illegal foreign labour and undermines the gang master's business. It might also help justify the amount it costs to imprison somebody.