Lionhead posts picture with clevage, two news sites react with extremly unprofesonal articles

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So apparently Lionhead posted a picture of a woman holding a jug in each hand and saying "The Foaming Jugs". A little reaching for the low hanging fruit in my humble opinion, but that's probably because I've never found puns to be particularly funny. Also it's for National Clevage day, which I looked up and turns out is celebrated in South Africa. So for a British company to be bringing it up is...odd. Overall I'm not sure what the point of this picture was. A joke that wasn't that funny dedicated to a holiday most of the people who saw it probably didn't celebrate or even knew about. The problem is that the internet reacted the way it normally did. Some people said they took issue with the joke and Lionhead took it down, apologizing for it. Overall it didn't really seem like that big of a deal. Minor spur of the moment esque joke, some people don't like it, it gets taken down, nothing really major happening. Sadly the internet reacted the way it always does. By overreacting. But this went beyond just people arguing, official articles have been posted that are just downright unprofessional about this mess.

http://www.gamezone.com/news/lionhead-tweets-in-celebration-of-national-cleavage-day-internet-freaks-out-3414656

First article from gamezone declaring that the internet has lost its sense of humor. Apparently because I didn't find this picture funny, I have no sense of humor. I just don't think it's funny, because I don't think puns are funny. He then goes on to rant how clearly any joke about the female body is prohibited. Hyberbolic strawman arguments seems to have become a popular reaction to someone disagreeing with you on the internet, but for the love of god. This is an article. An official article. The man who wrote this is getting PAID to rant about how no one on the internet has a sense of humor because we don't all laugh at the same joke. We are under no obligation to find jokes funny. The joke Lionhead made wasn't funny, not because it was sexist, but because it's a cheap pun. But don't worry, people who didn't like the joke also completely threw professionalism to the wind.

http://arcadesushi.com/lionhead-studios-cleavage-tweet-controversy/

This article claims that "Lionhead?s Tasteless Tweets Are Just the Latest Examples of Gaming?s 'Boys Only' Culture" and things like "The thoughtlessness of those actions along with the image itself just repeats a message women in gaming are used to hearing: ?You don?t belong here.? I have to admit that I agree on some level with some of the points in the article, just like I imagine some people agree with the points on some level made in the first article. That being said, I can't help but roll my eyes at some of comments here. Boys only culture? You're not welcome? As someone who has made the odd sexist joke in the past, anyone worth a damn will stop when a woman tells him that a joke he told made him uncomfortable.

But can we just agree on something? That these articles are completely unprofessional. Both of them. There seems to be a massive problem on the internet lately in that it's not enough to disagree with someone, people blow things out of proportion, pulling things out of thin air to criticize their opponents with. I'd say it was a strawman argument but honestly strawman arguments require the strawman to vaguely look like the person you're arguing against. These narratives constructed by these people aren't strawmen, they're downright fabrications, things invented for the sake of being defeated. We've devolved to this.

http://betterutah.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/donquixote.jpg

So many people nowadays don't want to argue against other people. They argue against exaggerated stereotypes of the people they disagree with. And it's spread all the way to media. Is this new? Probably not. But can we all just agree that it's a thing? And that it's gotten a little out of hand?
 

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Yeah, it's a thing

I like to watch all this feces-flinging, it makes for better entertainment than anything television or film could offer. It allows for a look into the mind of the truly dedicated towards these manners

Basically, it all comes down to two simple things:

1. Social media sites are cancer for "debate"

2. Everything is a meme
 

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I am not a fan of the humor that Lionhead studio tweeted but the reaction to the joke and the reaction to the reaction does seem very silly. The News sites should know best by not touching this at all but then again they wanted a podium to express themselves on how right their are .

At the end of the day, all I learn that people still think that their beliefs and values are universal and should be regarded as facts rather than opinions.
 

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This may come as a shock to you all, but...people are stupid. None of this was surprising in the least.
 

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FalloutJack said:
This may come as a shock to you all, but...people are stupid. None of this was surprising in the least.
I know, but sometimes it just needs to be said.
 

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erttheking said:
FalloutJack said:
This may come as a shock to you all, but...people are stupid. None of this was surprising in the least.
I know, but sometimes it just needs to be said.
People in media are less-real than other people in the world, anyway. They live in their own limelight.
 

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But can we just agree on something? That these articles are completely unprofessional. Both of them.
The GamerGate megathread is that-a-way. ------>
 

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Is it so terrible to want to look at some cleavage? Is it really declaring women aren't welcome for enjoying a cheeky bit of sexual content? I don't believe being inclusive means having to sacrifice anything vaguely sexual.

It's really ironic to me that fable is actually a rather progressive game series, was there any other game you could participate in gay marriage back before Fable 1? Maybe the Sims?
 

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Just examples of two extremes that probably shouldn't be given much thought. I know it's probably not a comforting thought that people get paid for these sorts of articles, but there's a market for it. A huge goddamn market. Or at least a comfortable niche of an audience, depending on what the hell you're talking about.
 

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Yes its a thing. Yes its gotten out of hand. No you can't do anything about it, sadly. My advice is to ditch the lot of them and join the "you're all idiots and I can't believe you can't sit down and talk like adults" club. We can get T-shirts if that'll interest you.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you can't have a discussion on the internet. You can't have an argument on the internet. What you CAN have is a flaming row with everyone yelling at each other.

What we have right now is the internet equivalent of two great big armies entrenched opposite each other. On the very front of one side you've got a mass of Tumblr-style SJW people and on the very front of the other you've got a mass of people who hate the former to an unhealthy extent.

And then all it takes is for someone with a reasonably large presence in either group to point at the other side and go "GET THEM BECAUSE THINGS HAPPENED!". Or perhaps point at a location, like the town of Lionhead, and go "WE MUST ASSAULT THIS BECAUSE HORRIBLE THINGS WERE DONE THERE!". Typically this is usually one of a limited number of popular internet personalities, although in some cases its media sites, and in a handful of cases its the less well known people having their yelling supported by the louder voices going "YEAH, RIGHT, THIS!"

And when each side is tearing each other to pieces nobody thinks to question whether there's a better way to do things. Or a calmer and more reasonable way to handle it. Or even if the particular issue is worth fighting over before. Because by god they're going to show those rotten evil-doers what for! And each and every hill is worth dying on.

And then when the battle is over, and the casualties litter the field, any little gain is seized upon so that someone can go "look! We did it! It was worth it!" Meanwhile as the blood soaks into the ground, others look over the damage and destruction, in the knowledge that the harm done to that place will take years to heal or repair, and they weep in despair...


Er...sorry. That analogy got a little away from me there.
 

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Can I be honest with you? For just a second?

This mess is tearing me down. Bit by bit. I just can't freaking take it for much longer. I care about stuff like this, but it's slowly becoming more than I can handle. I honestly think this discussion going on for years drastically lowered by opinion of the human race and turned me into a misanthrope...but it's the only online gaming community I really know. And I like being part of a community. Christ, I feel like I'm in a damn abusive relationship. I hate every second of it...but I just can't leave.

Do you know of any other online communities? Ones that avoid this crap?
 

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erttheking said:
Lightspeaker said:
Can I be honest with you? For just a second?

This mess is tearing me down. Bit by bit. I just can't freaking take it for much longer. I care about stuff like this, but it's slowly becoming more than I can handle. I honestly think this discussion going on for years drastically lowered by opinion of the human race and turned me into a misanthrope...but it's the only online gaming community I really know. And I like being part of a community. Christ, I feel like I'm in a damn abusive relationship. I hate every second of it...but I just can't leave.

Do you know of any other online communities? Ones that avoid this crap?

I can sympathise honestly because when all of this started I was somewhat wound up by a number of highly specific things (in a lot of cases the hypocrisy a lot of people were showing). Then as it got bigger and bigger I just disconnected entirely. It was too much and too depressing, couldn't deal with it.

Sadly around here is one of the nicer general gaming communities. There's a lot worse out there. And my mute list on Tweetdeck gets longer every week.

Although...its more esports-focussed but I've been on teamliquid.net for a few years now and it seems to have not hit there as bad (probably because firstly its an esports site, not really a general one, and secondly because esports has plenty of drama in it already without bringing more in). No idea if that's your thing but I don't think its too bad around there. The moderation is fairly decent in my experience.
 

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Much like content in video games, I've found more and more with news sites, that just because it's featured, doesn't mean it's representative.

Simply put, these websites are more minor websites, they're likely more in need of "Views" than other sites.

And drama is great for views. Look at this site itself, you've linked to them directly, and people viewing this thread will likely view those sites too.

You're not the first to link to them, you won't be the last. It's about money with such places, and people very infrequently spend a lot of time on things they find inoffensive.
 

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erttheking said:
So apparently Lionhead posted a picture of a woman holding a jug in each hand and saying "The Foaming Jugs". A little reaching for the low hanging fruit in my humble opinion, but that's probably because I've never found puns to be particularly funny. Also it's for National Clevage day, which I looked up and turns out is celebrated in South Africa. So for a British company to be bringing it up is...odd.
There about 1/2 million South Africans living in the UK. Its not beyond the odds that someone from South Africa works for Lionhead
 

Zhukov

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Ugh.

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Urrrrrrrrrgggghhh.

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Okay, okay. Proper response:

I really wish people on the internet would take a moment to differentiate between genuine hostility/scorn/contempt and just goofing around.

It's a silly pun. Big boobs and beer tankards. Jugs. Harr-de-harr. Because cleavage day, which is apparently a thing. Goofy joke, not a vicious attack on all things feminine.

Of course, as someone already suggested, it's possible that damn near everyone involved knows that already and is just hunting for traffic. Controversy, no matter how petty, is an internet traffic bonanza. You get to rake in the view from both the people getting outraged and the people getting outraged at the fact that people are outraged.

Hell, it's been enough to make a level headed and determinedly reasonable fellow like you write up a post about it and spread the word with some lovely traffic-providing links. And enough to make me reply. Mmmmm, smells like ad revenue.

Of course one can't blame them for providing what the public loves consuming. That's market forces in action. Our only option is to blame the consumer, but only mentally unstable SJWs and Satan himself do that.
 

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This is ridiculous. What is happened to the gaming community that anytime someone tries to make a joke they get chased down with pitchforks. Who cares if you don't find it funny? Neither do I. It doesn't mean Lionhead is being sexist or offensive, they are just having a bit of dumb fun.

Personally, All the screaming bloody murder over every little thing is making me misanthropic.